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Comments of the week: the gift of gab for the holidays

Yes, we took a brief — and temporary — break from our “Comments of the Week” feature, which our most ardent readers happily reminded us of. But we’re back with a few select comments from the past couple of weeks.

Last week, Chief Academic Officer Shael Polakow-Suransky’s Community Section post about the city’s vision to accelerate the leadership track for talented teachers drew a steady stream of criticism from readers. Smart and ambitious young teachers often appear to be ideal candidates to lead a school — at first, said A.S.Neill. But he said that the strategy does not hold up over time, since good leaders possess more than intellect and a good work ethic.

The problem is that the intangibles to those who look closely are not good. They are ambitious and bright, which later easily turns into arrogance. Although on the surface, they seem to get along with everyone and are polite, in fact, they lack interest in or skill with people (except close friends on the same fast track they are), and for that matter, do not appear to be interested all that much in students personally, except as an object to improve on a test in their upward career path. They are easily overconfident but make basic mistakes often with people. One could go on here, but the basic idea is that they are a disaster waiting to happen.

A good discussion on charter school autonomy in evaluating teachers followed last week’s story on the charter sector’s decision to ignore a request to submit teacher ratings to the state education department.

Leonie Haimson was scathing, charging hypocrisy that charter schools were shrugging off an accountability measure that their closest allies have advocated for.

Isn’t it ironic that DFER, Students First, SFER & all the astroturf orgs set up to support privatization and charter expansion are pushing so hard for a damaging evaluation scheme that the charter schools themselves reject?

Tim, for one, said he sided with charter schools, but thought it might be an appropriate request in the future:

There’s nothing in the state law that calls for charter school teachers to be evaluated on the same basis as district school teachers, or for any such evaluations to be publicly reported. If charter authorizers want to start working this requirement into future authorizations/renewals, then that would be a different story.

This week, we published a national story from our friend Sarah Garland at The Hechinger Report. The report detailed the changes — big and small — that other states had made to their own evaluation models since implementation. To Former Turnaround Teacher, the changes were symbolic:

This is a very telling quote about the purpose of these evaluation systems, “And one of the reasons D.C. changed its rating system this year is because the vast majority of teachers continued to be rated as either “effective” or “highly effective.””

So under the new system teachers were still being rated well…Isn’t it possible then that the teachers are doing their job and thus not the problem?  Nope that can never be the answer, so therefore we must change the system again so we can fire them more easily.

 

  • Guest

    Let’s me just put this out there (in direct response to A.S. Neill’s gross generalization) because I am frankly appalled at the treatment of young teachers on this website: Young teachers are demonized and unfairly marginalized by our colleagues, particularly on this forum.  We are lambasted for entering the field and wanting to work.  We are often accused of stealing jobs from older workers because of our lower salaries (which we cannot control).  When we are ambitious and hardworking, we are called arrogant and naive.  Whenever we do a good job we’re accused of being turncoats, falling in line with the administration of our schools.  Our tenure process has become much more complex and difficult than years before us and the union has does NOTHING to help us or even explain the new tenure process to us.  We’re the scapegoat one day and the forgotten employee the next.  Instead of support from fellow union members, we’re accused of being recipients of nepotism who don’t care about their students.  We’re just all looking to make a fast buck and ditch the occupation in a few years.  We’re all just a bunch of TFAers or Fellows or fast track programmers who don’t care about the job, who are just looking to union bust or promote unfair evaluations or some other ridiculous non-representative accusation.  

    It’s no wonder the number of students choosing education as a major/career has dropped significantly over the past few decades.  Why would anyone want to enter such a volatile, cannibalistic field where everyone’s just looking for someone else to blame every problem on?  Us young teachers are all paying careful attention to the rhetoric our colleagues use.  And yes, there are some fringe teachers that may fit some of the disgusting accusations I’ve presented.  But do not paint us all with the same brush.  Most of us came to teach and do right by our students.  We didn’t come to represent some crazy exaggeration in your dirty politics discussion.

  • bee

     The criticism you refer to so in this forum, is not generally directed at young teachers, it is directed at the causes of the problems that are so pervasive in education nowadays, the problems that contribute to poor working conditions and fail to help improve education. Can you honestly say that TFA or TF really prepares teachers to teach? I think it’s unfair for both the students and the teachers, to have of the powers that be, throw the new teacher in the water without teaching them to swim. Whatever the background of the new teacher may be, it’s helpful to have a mentor, someone who is experienced in the trenches. By the same token it is beneficial for the mentor to be exposed to the contagious creative enthusiasm imparted by the mentoree. It’s important to have a balance of experienced and inexperienced teachers. Unfair evaluations, taking away the right to due process, and untenable working conditions are bad for experienced AND inexperienced teachers. I think many teachers feel that some organizations/groups, particularly ones that involve taking away due process, unscientific and unreliable teacher evaluations, and the privatization of public schools are detrimental. Perhaps they feel that politicians should not be making educational policy? As for painting “young teachers with the same brush,” you say, “Us young teachers are all paying careful attention to the rhetoric our colleagues use,” you are doing exactly what you ask us not to. Instead of a them and us attitude, why don’t you work with ALL of your colleagues to better the admittedly demoralizing lot that all teachers face.

  • A.S.Neill

    Thanks for reading my post. The quote of mine in question is not referring to the majority of young or newer teachers at all, but only that small overly ambitious minority who seem to believe themselves qualified to be promoted to AP or even principals in the fast track on the DOE Principal’s Academy after 5, 6 or 7 years of teaching. My point is that this is a very unreliable method for selecting school leadership where intangible and not easily observed personal qualities are so important, especially where most teachers who complain about poor leadership of principals focus on issues of arrogance and poor people skills in general. Of course, this is only part of the picture.

    I entirely agree with your point about new or younger teachers in general not receiving the support they need, and in no way was intended to criticize dedicated and hard working teachers at any level. indeed my post was in part an attempt to help correct this problem from having teachers experience the poor leadership they often encounter when new to teaching. A teacher retention rate of 50% after only 5 years clearly points to a serious problem here.

    I was a teacher hired in the alternative route myself, and have never written against those teachers for that reason. I believe not only principals but many experienced teachers also have forgotten how long it takes to become a good teacher and hold new teachers to unfair criticism. Generally, I’ve found that PD is a mixed bag and that any mentors I was assigned had never in fact worked in the kinds of “failing” schools to which I was assigned (which was also true of my professors in graduate school). I survived because I was extremely dedicated, never expected anything but the worst conditions of teaching, and fortunately my fellow teachers were generally extremely helpful to me. The principal and AP at my first school were the worst supervisors I had ever experienced in any job.

    I was too young at the time to realize that this type of leadership has infused the DOE system itself, although I have met exceptions. Unfortunately, the UFT by contract is largely powerless officially to protect new teachers. An experienced UFT chapter leader who is respected at the school, can help unoffcially if they have good people skills, but sad to say, the UFT chapter leadership is also a hit or miss quality itself.

    You sound to me like the right kind of person we need in teaching. You have made some very good points. I encourage you to hang in there despite all the frustrations, and help fight the very strong ongoing battle for the future of education. Perhaps we differ on the solutions, but you obviously are concerned and thoughtful, so I’ll hope for the best. Just be prepared for a long battle.

     

  • Flerp

    A.S.Neill continues to put on a clinic on how to make compelling arguments based on personal experience without being hysterical, polemical, or obnoxious.

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  • Guest

    I admire your heartfelt response and appreciate the time you have taken to respond to my comments.  I have worked in the worst of schools and the best of schools in my five years and I have truly enjoyed working with my schools’ administration to the dismay of many of my colleagues.  I just want to do right by my students and wish that my colleagues understood that.  I just hope that my fellow Gotham Schools posters recognize that we are all part of the same struggle, not enemies of one another.

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