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Even if deal on teacher evals is reached, logistical matters loom

Negotiations between the city and teachers union over new teacher evaluations appear likely to come down to the wire yet again.

Earlier this year, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced that he would withdraw increased state aid from any district that does not negotiate a teacher evaluation system with its union by Jan. 17, 2013. As the deadline nears, state education officials have said repeatedly that they need weeks to review systems that are submitted for approval. Districts should submit plans by the first week of December, they have urged.

Most districts have responded to the urgency. About 85 percent of New York State’s 700 school districts have turned in at least the first draft of required teacher evaluation plans, Board of Regents Chancellor Merryl Tisch said today.

In New York City, where $300 million in state aid is at stake this year, city officials say they feel confident that they will reach a deal before Cuomo’s deadline, and union leaders say constructive discussions are back on track after a nearly monthlong hiatus following Hurricane Sandy. But both said there is significant ground yet to cover.

Comparing the introduction of new teacher evaluations to a 26.2-mile marathon, Chancellor Dennis Walcott said on Tuesday, “We’re at mile five, and our goal is to make this a long-distance run.”

Speaking an event about teacher evaluations hosted by the advocacy group Educators 4 Excellence, Walcott said he aimed to finalize an agreement with the UFT by the end of December, more than two weeks before Cuomo’s deadline.

“It is my goal to ideally wrap this up before the seventeenth of January,” Walcott said. “I’m putting pressure on myself to do that.”

But Deputy Chancellor David Weiner, who is in charge of labor negotiations, signaled that he expected discussions to go until the last possible moment. ”I assure you, from about January second to January seventeenth, I have told my wife, I’m not around,” he told the teachers.

The city’s pace has state education officials concerned. ”The commissioner [John King] has spoken very clearly that if we get an application on January fifteenth, it’s going to be hard to say yes to it by January seventeenth,” Tisch said.

Advocates for more sophisticated teacher evaluations are working to turn up the heat on the city and union. StudentsFirstNY held a parent rally supporting an evaluation deal earlier this month, and Educators 4 Excellence members are planning a rally of their own for Sunday. On Thursday, college students in a group called Students for Education Reform are planning a protest march from the UFT’s offices to the Department of Education’s headquarters.

But meeting the state’s requirements is no easy task. State law requires not only a deal on the books by January but full implementation of a new evaluation system for the current school year, complete with final scores for each teacher delivered by next fall. That could prove a challenge in a mammoth school system where many schools have little experience with likely components of new evaluations.

Most city schools have been practicing with the Danielson observation rubric, seen as likely to account for a significant portion of teachers’ scores. But less groundwork has been laid for other likely components of new evaluations. Only a handful of teachers have been involved in building local assessments that must count for 20 percent of each teacher’s score, for example. And some required pieces, such as setting “student learning objectives” to measure student growth in classes where there is no state test, would be hard to make happen mid-year.

Tisch suggested that she thought the complexity of implementing an agreement could be one thing stopping the city and union from reaching one. “I don’t know why they are delaying, but if the delay is for the purpose of not implementing this year, I would say to all of them think about that twice,” she said.

Weiner said the city is prepared to begin a full implementation as soon as a teacher evaluation system is approved. But Walcott signaled that getting to full speed could take longer than the state would like.

“We’re going to have ongoing discussions with the state about the implementation timeline, as well, and also our union partners,” Walcott said. “We want to do it the right way. … We need to talk about the reality of what’s doable and what’s not doable, so we’ll see what happens.”

Asked today what could happen if the city and union ink a deal but do not have the systems in place to generate complete teacher ratings this year, Tisch took a deep breath. “Let’s get to that,” she said.

“We have never said that the implementation of evaluation was going to be easy [but] we can work with districts to help them manage the challenges,” Tisch added. “But we can’t manage challenges of implementation if we do not have an agreement.”

  • http://nyceducator.com/ NYC Educator

    I’m very curious why Gotham Schools deems the addition of junk science to teacher evaluation as “more sophisticated.” 

  • Mook

    Weird, I was about to type almost the same comment and then I read yours.

    I just hope these measurements are junky enough to be easily manipulated.  If I’m going to be producing fake data for the sake of jumping through a state-mandated hoop, I don’t want it to divert too much of my time and energy.  I’m stlll months behind in documenting my professional development in order to make sure I keep my “Professional” license (remember that important reform?) and I’m never sure if I’m doing it correctly.

    Also, I wonder if I could just “take a zero” on the local assessment part and use a good evaluation to boost me into Satisfactory territory.  My principal likes me, so what’s the point of the other stuff. Does anyone know how the math works in this latest round of pretending to raise our standards?

  • Philissa Cramer

    Fair question — I meant sophisticated as in complex, not well-mannered. I do not think a more sophisticated machine is necessarily a better one. But complex is probably a better adjective.

  • http://nyceducator.com/ NYC Educator

    They are delaying, actually, because any new agreement must be part of a new contract, which Bloomberg does not wish to grant. This is in part, I am told, because he strenuously objects to 13% of teachers with poor ratings having the ability to get a fair hearing. Ironically, I’m personally more concerned with the 87% who will not. The other sticking point in a new contract is that Mayor Bloomberg granted an 8% raise to all city employees but educators during 2008-2010 before unilaterally declaring they were getting nothing.

    Personally, I will vote for no contract that uses junk science to evaluate teachers, not for any amount of money.

  • http://nyceducator.com/ NYC Educator

    They are delaying, actually, because any new agreement must be part of a new contract, which Bloomberg does not wish to grant. This is in part, I am told, because he strenuously objects to 13% of teachers with poor ratings having the ability to get a fair hearing. Ironically, I’m personally more concerned with the 87% who will not. The other sticking point in a new contract is that Mayor Bloomberg granted an 8% raise to all city employees but educators during 2008-2010 before unilaterally declaring they were getting nothing.

    Personally, I will vote for no contract that uses junk science to evaluate teachers, not for any amount of money.

  • I noticed that…

    Same here!  I will tell my colleagues to vote no on a contract that will destroy a teacher’s profession.

  • Facts matter

    These comments are not true. Evaluation is a precondition for a new contract not vice versa. We can get an evaluation system in place and them work on a contract.

  • Fuufee

    Oh gosh – just what I need to end this night.  What a load of total BS.  Just a couple of thoughts:

    “In New York City, where $300 million in state aid is at stake this year…”  Gotham Schools, why no information as to where this money is actually going?  The ignorant think it’s going into the classrooms.  Why not print and tell them the truth to where it is actually headed?

    “Educators 4 Excellence members are planning a rally of their own for Sunday.”  Why does Gotham Schools continue to give this gang any mention?  How many will be at this rally?  38?  I’ve been in the system for 15 years and have five family members as well as a number of friends in the system.  They are all in different schools across the city – not one has known anyone belonging to this group.  NOT ONE!  Many of them never even heard of them when I have asked in the past. 

    “Most city schools have been practicing with the Danielson observation rubric…”  I am at an  “A” school.  A school like so many others with dedicated and passionate teachers.  We have never practiced on the Danielson rubric.  Sure it’s come up in conversation at Faculty and Department conferences but I’d bet good money that the majority of the teachers I work with would fail a test on what it contains in it.  It’s not because we don’t care but because it is not used in our school and well – we are all too busy teaching, prepping and grading to actually think about it. 

    “Weiner said the city is prepared to begin a full implementation as soon as a teacher evaluation system is approved. But Walcott signaled that getting to full speed could take longer than the state would like.”   I don’t get it!  Why are these highly paid “suits” not on the same page?  Don’t they conferene together?  Are you kidding me here? 

    In the end, I find it bizarre, sad and tragic that an evaluation system might be implemented that I’d say the OVERWHELMING majority of teachers know  little about.  The ones that do are the ones who read the blogs like Perdido,Chaz,Ed,SouthBronx,DoeNuts,Nyceducator, Ice-uft and the others I have not mentioned.  Unfortunately, not many know of these brave bloggers.   Gotham schools, why not a story on that?  On the reality that MOST teachers know very little about this bogus eval?  Do some muckracking!  Go and find the filthy truth!  I dare you.     Find, learn and report the truth on all this – where the 300 million is really going?  Who truly benefits from all this?  Why have so many of us inside the classrooms been left in the dark by the Unity Caucus?  Do it on behalf of the over 80,000 teachers who will likely be unfairly evaluated by these measures. 

  • Vote NO!

    Newsday  had  a  good  article  last  Friday  about  the  tremendous  costs  being  incurred  by  many  Long  Island  districts  in order  to  implement  this  “evaluation”  disaster.   It  wasn’t  mentioned  on  GS.

  • EdintheApple

    Correct!!  evaluation is totally independent of the contract … of course the parties are free at any time to conclude contract negotiations … and Jets can still make the playoffs.

  • Catjen88

    Yes of course it will e negotiated. UNILATERALLY! Just like everything else that has been shoved down our throats the past through years. Mulgrew has already given away the whole
    store without a contract. Bloomberg must have something on him. Why should this be any different. I can guarantee you we will be Danielsoned in this year with NO contract. Anyone who
    thinks this will only happen if there is a new contract with raises, well I don’t know what they!re
    smoking!

  • http://nyceducator.com/ NYC Educator

     If that’s correct, the UFT representative who came to my school and specifically said otherwise was lying. I must further suppose, I suppose, that the language in the current contract specifically specifically describing evaluation processes is there for no particular reason. Please clarify if I’ve missed something.

  • EdintheApple

    Or you mis-heard the UFT Rep. the current contract began in 2007 … well before there was any talk of teacher evalauation plan …. the SED EngageNYS website links to a number of model plans … most call for one announced and one unannounced observation a year using one of approved rubrics … in NYC probably Danielson. The Student Learning Objectives (SLOs) used to assess teachers in non-tested subjects is complex as well as how to treat the locally negotiated 20% …  If your overall score on the three sections is “ineffective” or, you receive an “ineffective” score on both 20% categories you must be found “ineffective.” 

    The fact-finders have been selected by PERB and the process will be beginning shortly, the contract negotiations process will emerge from the fact-finding … many months down the road.

  • http://nyceducator.com/ NYC Educator

    Pardon me. I did not mishear and I do not appreciate your snide suggestion that I did. The UFT rep said, in front of 200 members, that UFT leadership was very smart, and that any evaluation system would have to come in the form of a contract. It would be very simple for me to document it. Again, was this rep lying? My members would be interested to know.

  • EdintheApple

    I was not at the meeting and have no idea what the union rep said, Article 8 J has long established language dealing with teacher evaluation.

    The APPR law requires school districts to negotiate a teacher evaluation plan with the CBA, and, that agreement, if approved by the state is in effect an amendment to the contract.

    Over the next few months the fact-finding process will eventually result in a report which in the past has been the basis for an agreement.

  • http://nyceducator.com/ NYC Educator

     I know you were not at the meeting. However, hundreds of UFT members were, and we did not mishear. Thank you, however, for letting me know that UFT is contemplating an evaluation system without bothering to consult the lowly rank and file, and that they will not necessarily demand a contract before agreeing to have city teachers judged by junk science. I’m always appreciative of being kept in the loop of the deep thoughts that govern our crack negotiations.

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