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	<title>Comments on: Charter school principal: Enrollment policies can skew scores</title>
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		<title>By: MartinKrongold</title>
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		<dc:creator>MartinKrongold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The critical factors is that the issue cuts both ways.  80% of kids don&#039;t leave.  Up to 30% or so do and there may or may not be backfilling.  The results show some charters do fail and some public schools fail and should be held accountable.  Ultimately, D&#039;s and F&#039;s are reviewed but a small per cent are phased out.  Principals may not want a difficult behavior problem, but if the student is a 1 or 2 (and selected by lottery, of course) then the student only needs to score a 1 or a 2 to reflect a  year of progress.  More than likely, there are a multitude of reasons why kids leave.  It&#039;s simply cynical to say they are &quot;pushed out&quot;.  They leave anyway, and then they may or may not be replaced.  Funding incentives should also be addressed here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The critical factors is that the issue cuts both ways.  80% of kids don&#8217;t leave.  Up to 30% or so do and there may or may not be backfilling.  The results show some charters do fail and some public schools fail and should be held accountable.  Ultimately, D&#8217;s and F&#8217;s are reviewed but a small per cent are phased out.  Principals may not want a difficult behavior problem, but if the student is a 1 or 2 (and selected by lottery, of course) then the student only needs to score a 1 or a 2 to reflect a  year of progress.  More than likely, there are a multitude of reasons why kids leave.  It&#8217;s simply cynical to say they are &#8220;pushed out&#8221;.  They leave anyway, and then they may or may not be replaced.  Funding incentives should also be addressed here.</p>
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		<title>By: Noryeln</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noryeln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only backfill is in a land dump.  I really really really wish that folks would remember we are talking about youngsters, living and breathing youngsters.  
If the question is offering a seat to a student, public schools do not offer, they are required to try to educate.  Charters may offer and then may rescind (expel) the students for any number of infractions, public schools continue to have the obligation to provide an alternative, poor though it may be in some of our opinoins.  
When any school removes students, statistics will change by race or score or talent.  Ignoring that affect in reporting scores doesn&#039;t engender respect for the resutls of the reports or for the reporters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only backfill is in a land dump.  I really really really wish that folks would remember we are talking about youngsters, living and breathing youngsters. <br />
If the question is offering a seat to a student, public schools do not offer, they are required to try to educate.  Charters may offer and then may rescind (expel) the students for any number of infractions, public schools continue to have the obligation to provide an alternative, poor though it may be in some of our opinoins. <br />
When any school removes students, statistics will change by race or score or talent.  Ignoring that affect in reporting scores doesn&#8217;t engender respect for the resutls of the reports or for the reporters.</p>
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		<title>By: leonie haimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>leonie haimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if Evangelista wrote his piece because he was anticipating this one, which talks about the high attrition rates at his school: http://www.schoolbook.org/2012/10/02/harlem-schools-see-high-student-turnover/ 

The reality is that most studies show that charter schools shed their low-achievers, which go straight into the public school system.  Though there is attrition in the public schools as well, their low-achievers do NOT go to charters but into other public schools.  The number of students who test into schools like Hunter HS is vanishingly small.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Evangelista wrote his piece because he was anticipating this one, which talks about the high attrition rates at his school: <a href="http://www.schoolbook.org/2012/10/02/harlem-schools-see-high-student-turnover/" rel="nofollow">http://www.schoolbook.org/2012/10/02/harlem-schools-see-high-student-turnover/</a> </p>
<p>The reality is that most studies show that charter schools shed their low-achievers, which go straight into the public school system.  Though there is attrition in the public schools as well, their low-achievers do NOT go to charters but into other public schools.  The number of students who test into schools like Hunter HS is vanishingly small.<br />
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		<title>By: Kelly Vaughan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Vaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leonie, kids leave all schools. While I agree that you want to keep an eye on your numbers and try to keep all kids, and pushing kids out is a travesty, it&#039;s hardly a comment on your program when a student moves out of state or far across the city, gets into a specialized program (e.g. Hunter in 7th grade), or the occasional family looks for something different for whatever reason (I think this happens at both district and charter schools, at least here in NYC, where families do have some choices).

I think when you &quot;backfill&quot; as district schools and some charter schools do, you also have to spend more time getting new kids caught up on your routines and procedures - from classroom behavior that promotes learning to things like notetaking strategies, you spend more time on these in later years than you would if you only had kids who had started in your program. In my experience, this is more time-consuming than you&#039;d think, and it&#039;s time you&#039;re not spending per se on helping all kids grow. (Of course all those things need reinforcement for everyone, but still...).

What amazes me is how any school can afford NOT to backfill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leonie, kids leave all schools. While I agree that you want to keep an eye on your numbers and try to keep all kids, and pushing kids out is a travesty, it&#8217;s hardly a comment on your program when a student moves out of state or far across the city, gets into a specialized program (e.g. Hunter in 7th grade), or the occasional family looks for something different for whatever reason (I think this happens at both district and charter schools, at least here in NYC, where families do have some choices).</p>
<p>I think when you &#8220;backfill&#8221; as district schools and some charter schools do, you also have to spend more time getting new kids caught up on your routines and procedures &#8211; from classroom behavior that promotes learning to things like notetaking strategies, you spend more time on these in later years than you would if you only had kids who had started in your program. In my experience, this is more time-consuming than you&#8217;d think, and it&#8217;s time you&#8217;re not spending per se on helping all kids grow. (Of course all those things need reinforcement for everyone, but still&#8230;).</p>
<p>What amazes me is how any school can afford NOT to backfill.</p>
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		<title>By: leonie haimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>leonie haimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 00:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about not needing to &quot;back fill&quot; b/c your students don&#039;t leave? Wouldn&#039;t that be a goal of most schools, including charters? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about not needing to &#8220;back fill&#8221; b/c your students don&#8217;t leave? Wouldn&#8217;t that be a goal of most schools, including charters? </p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 00:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a well-researched and nicely assessment of the issue, and I truly do appreciate Mr. Evangelista&#039;s candor and analysis in his piece (and kudos to him and his team for their A this year).

That said, I have a major beef with his description of the way the backfill argument is used by so-called &#039;anti-reformers,&#039; or even rank amateurs like me who simply don&#039;t buy into the charter agenda lock, stock, and barrel. Mentioning the failure to backfill is an absolutely valid and appropriate defense to charter braggadocio about how they educate the exact same kids, and it&#039;s an especially salient counterpoint to charter complaints about space and equity--why in the world should any network or operator get more schools when as a matter of policy they don&#039;t fill every seat in the schools they already do have? 

It would be difficult to force charters to educate ELLs, free-lunch-eligible, and special ed students in the same proportions as their home districts. It would be incredibly easy to prohibit them from not backfilling, and I hope this is something that&#039;s looked at by the legislature. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a well-researched and nicely assessment of the issue, and I truly do appreciate Mr. Evangelista&#8217;s candor and analysis in his piece (and kudos to him and his team for their A this year).</p>
<p>That said, I have a major beef with his description of the way the backfill argument is used by so-called &#8216;anti-reformers,&#8217; or even rank amateurs like me who simply don&#8217;t buy into the charter agenda lock, stock, and barrel. Mentioning the failure to backfill is an absolutely valid and appropriate defense to charter braggadocio about how they educate the exact same kids, and it&#8217;s an especially salient counterpoint to charter complaints about space and equity&#8211;why in the world should any network or operator get more schools when as a matter of policy they don&#8217;t fill every seat in the schools they already do have? </p>
<p>It would be difficult to force charters to educate ELLs, free-lunch-eligible, and special ed students in the same proportions as their home districts. It would be incredibly easy to prohibit them from not backfilling, and I hope this is something that&#8217;s looked at by the legislature. </p>
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		<title>By: NYCparent</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYCparent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good to see corroborated what those of us on the ground have been saying for years!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see corroborated what those of us on the ground have been saying for years!</p>
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