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	<title>Comments on: Walcott visits ex-turnaround schools without addressing turmoil</title>
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		<title>By: Lilhuney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lilhuney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, different here at Adams... over 250 room changes and over 2,000 student program changes.. Everyday, every teacher gets 3-5 new students in each one of their classes.. and they are still not done with fixing programs or the rooms... AP, Programming and partner, don&#039;t know what they are doing.. and and another person who has absolutely no experience programming, when there are over 15 people in the building who do!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, different here at Adams&#8230; over 250 room changes and over 2,000 student program changes.. Everyday, every teacher gets 3-5 new students in each one of their classes.. and they are still not done with fixing programs or the rooms&#8230; AP, Programming and partner, don&#8217;t know what they are doing.. and and another person who has absolutely no experience programming, when there are over 15 people in the building who do!!</p>
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		<title>By: someone who cares</title>
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		<dc:creator>someone who cares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At Flushing, they did away with Small Learning Communities except for the Freshman Community.  We spent two break-backing years putting those together and trying to make them work with the threat of closure over us like a black cloud all for naught.  This is why teachers are frustrated.  No program stays in the school for that long.  Every year we come back, it&#039;s something new and then a year or two later it&#039;s forsaken, and they ask why teacher morale is down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At Flushing, they did away with Small Learning Communities except for the Freshman Community.  We spent two break-backing years putting those together and trying to make them work with the threat of closure over us like a black cloud all for naught.  This is why teachers are frustrated.  No program stays in the school for that long.  Every year we come back, it&#8217;s something new and then a year or two later it&#8217;s forsaken, and they ask why teacher morale is down.</p>
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		<title>By: fabian</title>
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		<dc:creator>fabian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It  looks like another set up to fail scenario across the board, aided and abetted by a &quot;Model Army&quot; of new principals. Keep an ear out for the charter school cavalry to save the day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It  looks like another set up to fail scenario across the board, aided and abetted by a &#8220;Model Army&#8221; of new principals. Keep an ear out for the charter school cavalry to save the day.</p>
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		<title>By: TeachmyclassMrMayor</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeachmyclassMrMayor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 03:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Which is why you never had a chance to see him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Which is why you never had a chance to see him.</p>
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		<title>By: Annoyed Newtown student</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annoyed Newtown student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 02:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I go to Newtown in Elmhurst Queens, and we&#039;re pretty much in the same boat you are, and it&#039;s not over for us yet.

We (both teachers and students) have been through chaos before school even started. I don&#039;t know if this happened at your school, but at mine, for the first time anyone can remember, students had to come in a day early for programs - only to find out on the first day of school that those programs were invalid, so we had to spend a big part of the morning getting new programs (some spent the whole day chasing people down to get replacement ones). But there&#039;s more.

In my case, my program originally had no lunch in it at all (seriously), so on top of the hassle of getting a new program, I had to go immediately to the guidance counselor room that same day in order to have it changed. However, as it turned out, program mishaps affected nearly all of the students - nearly 3000 - so the guidance counselor room was bursting at the seams with students trying to change programs for three school days straight if not more (the program office, which usually shares the burden of program changes, probably saw this chaos coming and redirected any traffic to the G.C.&#039;s office). Fortunately, I was able to get it changed after about an hour&#039;s wait, before there was another thing waiting for me: I was put in an underclassmen English class by accident. 

Sometime in the first two days of school - and this is going to sound confusing because it is - codes for classes were redone, which caused the code on my program and the code the teachers have to not match. I didn&#039;t find this out until the second day of school when the period was half-over, and I had to spend the rest of the period going to the program office, synchronizing my program with new school codes, and showing up at the class 5 minutes before it was over.

Since then, I haven&#039;t had much incident - yet. However, the school is full with program horror stories and stories of general confusion. One person I know was given 3 English periods; another is having to take health again because proof he did the class was lost in the turnaround shuffle; many others were put in classes they don&#039;t need or want; at the very beginning, no lab classes were scheduled for anyone (I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s still the case), and much more I won&#039;t put because this comment is getting long.

Why is all this happening? It all goes back to turnaround and branches off from there (we students are progressively learning more about what&#039;s happening as the days go by). First of all, because of the confusion during turnaround, absolutely no planning was for the next year, so all we&#039;re seeing now probably should have been done over the summer. Two, because again of turnaround, we had a &quot;brain drain&quot; of people key to the school running, and most of the replacements are learning as they go along (while it&#039;s not their fault, this helps no one). Three, because of yet more confusion that stems from turnaround, the school is currently strapped for cash, so we&#039;re not able to do as much.

And on top of all that, we don&#039;t know what Bloomberg will do next.

This is a pitiful state of affairs that seems to be repeating throughout the city and your school, and like you, I&#039;ve lost respect for both Bloomberg and Walcott. You&#039;ve said what most of us are thinking right now, but I guess the best advice for us all is to hang tight, because it&#039;s definitely going to be a bumpy ride.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I go to Newtown in Elmhurst Queens, and we&#8217;re pretty much in the same boat you are, and it&#8217;s not over for us yet.</p>
<p>We (both teachers and students) have been through chaos before school even started. I don&#8217;t know if this happened at your school, but at mine, for the first time anyone can remember, students had to come in a day early for programs &#8211; only to find out on the first day of school that those programs were invalid, so we had to spend a big part of the morning getting new programs (some spent the whole day chasing people down to get replacement ones). But there&#8217;s more.</p>
<p>In my case, my program originally had no lunch in it at all (seriously), so on top of the hassle of getting a new program, I had to go immediately to the guidance counselor room that same day in order to have it changed. However, as it turned out, program mishaps affected nearly all of the students &#8211; nearly 3000 &#8211; so the guidance counselor room was bursting at the seams with students trying to change programs for three school days straight if not more (the program office, which usually shares the burden of program changes, probably saw this chaos coming and redirected any traffic to the G.C.&#8217;s office). Fortunately, I was able to get it changed after about an hour&#8217;s wait, before there was another thing waiting for me: I was put in an underclassmen English class by accident. </p>
<p>Sometime in the first two days of school &#8211; and this is going to sound confusing because it is &#8211; codes for classes were redone, which caused the code on my program and the code the teachers have to not match. I didn&#8217;t find this out until the second day of school when the period was half-over, and I had to spend the rest of the period going to the program office, synchronizing my program with new school codes, and showing up at the class 5 minutes before it was over.</p>
<p>Since then, I haven&#8217;t had much incident &#8211; yet. However, the school is full with program horror stories and stories of general confusion. One person I know was given 3 English periods; another is having to take health again because proof he did the class was lost in the turnaround shuffle; many others were put in classes they don&#8217;t need or want; at the very beginning, no lab classes were scheduled for anyone (I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s still the case), and much more I won&#8217;t put because this comment is getting long.</p>
<p>Why is all this happening? It all goes back to turnaround and branches off from there (we students are progressively learning more about what&#8217;s happening as the days go by). First of all, because of the confusion during turnaround, absolutely no planning was for the next year, so all we&#8217;re seeing now probably should have been done over the summer. Two, because again of turnaround, we had a &#8220;brain drain&#8221; of people key to the school running, and most of the replacements are learning as they go along (while it&#8217;s not their fault, this helps no one). Three, because of yet more confusion that stems from turnaround, the school is currently strapped for cash, so we&#8217;re not able to do as much.</p>
<p>And on top of all that, we don&#8217;t know what Bloomberg will do next.</p>
<p>This is a pitiful state of affairs that seems to be repeating throughout the city and your school, and like you, I&#8217;ve lost respect for both Bloomberg and Walcott. You&#8217;ve said what most of us are thinking right now, but I guess the best advice for us all is to hang tight, because it&#8217;s definitely going to be a bumpy ride.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t get it yet, do you?  The order is out from Randi, try not to rock the boat unless absolutely necessary.  We (the union) don&#039;t want to look as if we are in any way impeding &quot;reform&quot; even if it means we&#039;re throwing many of our members under the bus.  If something egregious happens, okay.  But look at all we&#039;ve done (the union) to throw our members under the bus whether it be in New Haven or now in Chicago (was what the teachers ultimately got in Chicago worth the 7 days or so out on strike?  Did they ultimately &quot;win&quot;?  They&#039;re going ahead with the idiotic evaluations using student test scores which of course lack the slightest degree of validity if exams even exist to be used like in the case of the high schools here but why let the facts get in the way of a good story?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t get it yet, do you?  The order is out from Randi, try not to rock the boat unless absolutely necessary.  We (the union) don&#8217;t want to look as if we are in any way impeding &#8220;reform&#8221; even if it means we&#8217;re throwing many of our members under the bus.  If something egregious happens, okay.  But look at all we&#8217;ve done (the union) to throw our members under the bus whether it be in New Haven or now in Chicago (was what the teachers ultimately got in Chicago worth the 7 days or so out on strike?  Did they ultimately &#8220;win&#8221;?  They&#8217;re going ahead with the idiotic evaluations using student test scores which of course lack the slightest degree of validity if exams even exist to be used like in the case of the high schools here but why let the facts get in the way of a good story?</p>
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		<title>By: Asdg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asdg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not true...it began with Bloomberg/Walcott/Klein...many of the &quot;turnaround schools&quot; used to be good high schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not true&#8230;it began with Bloomberg/Walcott/Klein&#8230;many of the &#8220;turnaround schools&#8221; used to be good high schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Vote NO!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vote NO!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The  story  so  far  in  many  former  &quot;Turnaround  schools&quot;  is  that  
the  programs  are  very  messed  up,  yet  administrators  are  
entering  classrooms  &quot;u  rating  lessons&quot;  even  though  the  programs 
 aren&#039;t  settled,  and  many  students  are  sitting  in  the  wrong  
classes.  If  this  is  true,  where  is  the  UFT? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The  story  so  far  in  many  former  &#8220;Turnaround  schools&#8221;  is  that <br />
the  programs  are  very  messed  up,  yet  administrators  are <br />
entering  classrooms  &#8220;u  rating  lessons&#8221;  even  though  the  programs <br />
 aren&#8217;t  settled,  and  many  students  are  sitting  in  the  wrong <br />
classes.  If  this  is  true,  where  is  the  UFT? </p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain&quot;. -The Wizard of Oz]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain&#8221;. -The Wizard of Oz</p>
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		<title>By: Fedupatdewey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fedupatdewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Disgraceful is not the word. He stood outside Dewey with his lackey Elvin and her lackey the AP of Social Studies. He saw very few students and did not seem to enter the building.
Meanwhile, programming chaos reigns at Dewey with the programmer is  still screwing things up. Why is this programmer still there?  Why is Elvin still in place?  Good grief! If Dewey were a corporation, they both would have been fired already!   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disgraceful is not the word. He stood outside Dewey with his lackey Elvin and her lackey the AP of Social Studies. He saw very few students and did not seem to enter the building.<br />
Meanwhile, programming chaos reigns at Dewey with the programmer is  still screwing things up. Why is this programmer still there?  Why is Elvin still in place?  Good grief! If Dewey were a corporation, they both would have been fired already!   </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Conway-Spiegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Conway-Spiegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We all know the answer to that:  1.  Which came first, the chicken or the egg?  2.  It&#039;s the gift that just keeps on giving.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know the answer to that:  1.  Which came first, the chicken or the egg?  2.  It&#8217;s the gift that just keeps on giving.  </p>
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		<title>By: ANGRY DEWEY STUDENT</title>
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		<dc:creator>ANGRY DEWEY STUDENT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I call complete BS. I&#039;m a Dewey student and he obviously had to have been standing in the front with the new principal (Kathleen Elvin from Tweed), an I did not see him AT ALL! But now I wish I did, I would have spat in his face and insulted him, which is against my nature, but how low of him. What a disgraceful person.

First you ruin our education, destroy our school and place innocent students and teachers in agony, and then when your senseless plan is crushed by the law; you dare show up at our school as if nothing ever happened?!

THAT&#039;S SICK!! Give those funds to JOHN DEWEY HS! We were the highest performing on that list of 24. Walcott you make me sick! I can&#039;t wait until your leader Bloomberg gets kicked out. How corrupt I can&#039;t stand it ugh!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call complete BS. I&#8217;m a Dewey student and he obviously had to have been standing in the front with the new principal (Kathleen Elvin from Tweed), an I did not see him AT ALL! But now I wish I did, I would have spat in his face and insulted him, which is against my nature, but how low of him. What a disgraceful person.</p>
<p>First you ruin our education, destroy our school and place innocent students and teachers in agony, and then when your senseless plan is crushed by the law; you dare show up at our school as if nothing ever happened?!</p>
<p>THAT&#8217;S SICK!! Give those funds to JOHN DEWEY HS! We were the highest performing on that list of 24. Walcott you make me sick! I can&#8217;t wait until your leader Bloomberg gets kicked out. How corrupt I can&#8217;t stand it ugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fiorillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Fiorillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very well said, Mary, but where does the incompetence end and the malice begin?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said, Mary, but where does the incompetence end and the malice begin?</p>
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		<title>By: leonie haimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>leonie haimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right you are Mary.  For years these schools have been overcrowded and underfunded and now b/c of the incompetence of DOE, students aren&#039;t getting the classes they signed up for or are still unassigned to teachers.  This is unacceptable.  Where is the accountability for &quot;hold me accountable&quot; Dennis Walcott and/or Marc Sternberg? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right you are Mary.  For years these schools have been overcrowded and underfunded and now b/c of the incompetence of DOE, students aren&#8217;t getting the classes they signed up for or are still unassigned to teachers.  This is unacceptable.  Where is the accountability for &#8220;hold me accountable&#8221; Dennis Walcott and/or Marc Sternberg? </p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would love to have been a student at John Dewey with lackey Walcott speaking and gotten up and shouted out, &quot;Mr. Walcott, why did you try to destroy our school and dump our best teachers?&quot;  And I would have loved to have seen his reaction or any of the other lackeys he probably brought with him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to have been a student at John Dewey with lackey Walcott speaking and gotten up and shouted out, &#8220;Mr. Walcott, why did you try to destroy our school and dump our best teachers?&#8221;  And I would have loved to have seen his reaction or any of the other lackeys he probably brought with him.</p>
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		<title>By: nuff said</title>
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		<dc:creator>nuff said</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just curious about Bloombergs comment as reported in NY Daily News that students in the 24 turnaround schools would receive &quot;No education this entire year&quot;  has Walcott ever commented on that statement?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious about Bloombergs comment as reported in NY Daily News that students in the 24 turnaround schools would receive &#8220;No education this entire year&#8221;  has Walcott ever commented on that statement?</p>
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		<title>By: SMH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SMH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hear, hear Ms. Conway-Spiegel!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear Ms. Conway-Spiegel!</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Conway-Spiegel</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2012/09/20/walcott-visits-ex-turnaround-schools-without-addressing-turmoil/comment-page-1/#comment-377539</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Conway-Spiegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The turnaround debacle was an ill-conceived idea/plan executed without any alternate strategy if the plan failed - which it did.  Tremendous chaos proceeded enacting turnaround via lack of clear information/transparency.  Schools were moving at break neck pace to enact their individual turnarounds over the summer and were halted abruptly after the ruling came down.  
Today former turnaround schools are dealing with scheduling problems, morale problems, funding problems and looming closure fears.
In the real world this would be an unacceptable way to run an organization/business/institution.  In the real world this Turnaround debacle, would be the definition of incompetence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The turnaround debacle was an ill-conceived idea/plan executed without any alternate strategy if the plan failed &#8211; which it did.  Tremendous chaos proceeded enacting turnaround via lack of clear information/transparency.  Schools were moving at break neck pace to enact their individual turnarounds over the summer and were halted abruptly after the ruling came down.  <br />
Today former turnaround schools are dealing with scheduling problems, morale problems, funding problems and looming closure fears.<br />
In the real world this would be an unacceptable way to run an organization/business/institution.  In the real world this Turnaround debacle, would be the definition of incompetence.</p>
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