Comments on: Dozens of Stuyvesant HS students suspended for cheating

By: Jay

Jay — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:43:00 +0000

I wonder what the ethnic makeup of the cheating students was. Are there any patterns? Is there some kind of racism or discrimination going on? Given that the school is majority Asian, are Asian kids being held to a higher standard than everyone else? I expect to see a public march on this.

By: NYC Parent

NYC Parent — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:19:00 +0000

The Stuy administration is now confiscating laptops and tablets. Since the Stuy library is under renovation, students now have no way to use computers in the building. Seems like getting all students to put their cell phones at the front of the room during tests would stop cheating more than confiscating computers during the first week of school. Is there a rule against having computers at school?

By: JQP

JQP — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 03:37:00 +0000

Rumor has it that one day this week will be Judgement Day for the corrupt Principal of Fort Hamilton H.S. I’m shocked but not surprised that it has stayed out of the reach of the powerful media. She must have some incredible connections to keep the Press SILENT. Oh well. Anyway, for those who care about the children, I predict that she will get a slap on the wrist or maybe pay a fine or something and go right back to what she knows best. Cheating the system. Sorry kids. That’s just how things work at the DOE.

By: Hadenoughoftweed

Hadenoughoftweed — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 21:03:00 +0000

There are rules and then there are rules when the news media picks up on something. Trust me I know. One news story and Tweed throws the rule book out the window.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 17:10:00 +0000

Stuy cheaters simply followed the lead of a Mayor who breaks laws and codes of ethics right and left when it comes to education. And he’s pretty blatant about it. He’s a role model for lying, cheating and abusing power.

By: BK

BK — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 13:35:00 +0000

Mr. ACLU, who you and your cronies are the ones that actually ruin the system- from your own website:
YOUR RIGHT TO REQUEST A CONFERENCE WITH THE PRINCIPAL

For a short-term suspension, this informal conference is the only way
you can defend yourself. You must request the conference—it is not
automatic.

By: A443

A443 — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 02:15:00 +0000

I know those pesky regulations can be so annoying! Obviosuly you have been misapplying the regulations in your own schoo lenvironemt.You can read the entire regulation here http://docs.nycenet.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-22/A-443.pdf

But here is the main part:
(l) Principal’s Suspension Conference
The suspension conference presents an opportunity to
assess the facts surrounding the incident for which a
suspension is being sought; determine whether or not a
suspension is justified; devise collaboratively
satisfactory solutions for the student’s return to his/her
program; and prevent further disruption of the student’s
education.
Suspension conferences shall be conducted in
accordance with the following procedures:
(1) The school principal shall conduct the conference
and may not delegate the responsibility to attend
even if he/she was not present at the time of the
decision to suspend.
(2) If the parent’s preferred language or mode of
communication is not English, the parent may bring
a translator or interpreter to assist him/her.
(3) The conference will be held on the scheduled date
unless the parent requests that it be rescheduled.
Every effort shall be made to secure the student
and parent’s attendance. However, if the student
and/or parent, after appropriate notice, do not
appear at the conference, the principal may hold
the conference in their absence on the scheduled
date.111111

By: BK

BK — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 02:05:00 +0000

Why are you so fixated on “hearings”. Are you from the ACLU??? They are guilty. Plain and simple. Your quotes are for superintendent suspension. Not Principal’s suspensions. Principal suspensions require an in-house suspension. Which means the student reports to their school but is held in a suspension room and is given work. It is basically a slap on the wrist.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 23:13:00 +0000

Oh, come on. You people make such drama out of this. This is so unnecessarily formal. Too formal, as if this was the Supreme Court or something. Stop treating Stuyvesant like some school full of celebrities. WHO CARES! They cheated, whatever.

Stuyvesant (like many other schools in NYC) is at a downfall, and is slowly declining. Hey, it happens to every school, sadly.

By: A443

A443 — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 21:48:00 +0000

If you read my comments carefully, I was quoting the reporting by AL Baker from the NY TImes. Certainly you agree the superintendent suspensions require a hearing. The next part of my comment explicitly refers to suspension conferences. Let me quote the Chancellor’s regs “(1) The school principal shall conduct the conferenceand may not delegate the responsibility to attendeven if he/she was not present at the time of thedecision to suspend.At the conference, students or their advocate or their attorney may present evidence at the informal conference. And then the principal decides if the suspension is/was justified. Please read the regs carefully. They are actually very detailed and in such a high profile case as this, it will be difficult to follow them with so many suspensions. The truth is few schools follow them.
(1) The school principal shall conduct the conference
and may not delegate the responsibility to attend
even if he/she was not present at the time of the
decision to suspend.

At the conference, students or their advocate or their attorney may present evidence at the informal conference. And then the principal decides if the suspension is/was justified. Please read the regs carefully.
They are actually very detailed and in such a high profile case as this, it will be difficult to follow them with so many suspensions. The truth is few schools follow them.

By: BK

BK — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 21:12:00 +0000

Who are you? One of the students or parents involved? to be honest you do not know what you are talking about. There is no “hearing”. What the school does is look at evidence of something and hand out punishments accordingly (supposed to be). Then at either the beginning or end of the suspension, usually the end, there is a conference. Not a hearing. This conference is usually done with someone who represents administration, the parent, the child and possibly the guidance counselor. It does not have to be the principal him or herself. They or you got busted. Simple as that.

By: Guest

Guest — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:30:00 +0000

No. One. Cares.

By: Legal Rights

Legal Rights — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 13:56:00 +0000

According to reporting from the NY Times all the hearings were NOT held over the summer. Only the Superintendent suspension hearings were and now the Principal has 5 days to hold 54 suspension conferences which she must PERSONALLY attend.

By: Know

Know — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 03:35:00 +0000

I find this all deeply disturbing. If our elte students don’t learn to cheat effectively in high school, how can we expect them to cheat when they get into college?

Cheating? At Stuvesant? I’m shocked! Shocked!

By: Frank Jackson

Frank Jackson — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 23:53:00 +0000

The principal shall have authority to suspend a studentwhen the principal determines the student’s behaviorpresents a clear and present danger of physical injuryto the student, other students or school personnel, orprevents the orderly operation of classes or otherschool activities.” Does this fit what happened hee?

By: Ksletch

Ksletch — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 23:18:00 +0000

The hearings have been held over the summer. This is being handled very carefully.

By: Legal Rights

Legal Rights — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 23:04:00 +0000

Watch this all blow up. EVERY one of those students has rights, that include having a conference WITH the Principal within a tight frame. The Principal can not delegate her attendance at EVERY conference. Every student has to be judged individually. The post indicates that the Principal announced that the suspensions will begin on Monday. Were all those hearings already held? She held 66 hearings in the last day?