Comments on: In reversal, number of U-rated teachers inched down last year

By: Save us

Save us — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 00:11:00 +0000

In Bryant High School we got 6 percent teachers rated unsatisfactory, all veteran teachers. They become unsatisfactory overnight, it is discrimination.

By: Guest

Guest — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:21:00 +0000

Supposedly, 99.5% of “unsatisfactory” rating appeals were upheld by the NYC Department of Education in recent years. A few were reversed by the NYS Supreme Court. The work of the NYC Department of Education’s Office of Appeals and Reviews must be examined with a fine toothcomb.

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By: Mr. Flerporillo

Mr. Flerporillo — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:30:00 +0000

That appears to be referencing around six months’ worth of data from late 2010 through early 2011, but I do see that it refers to average of 93 days. Nothing about what the cost of those proceedings is, though. I’m skeptical that any legal proceeding that takes 3 to 4 months has a negligible cost. How many law department attorneys are assigned to bringing 3020-a proceedings? It’s not free just because the city isn’t hiring outside counsel to bring the cases. And there could be a resource bottleneck — there is a maximum caseload the city’s attorneys can handle, and it may well be that one reason more cases aren’t brought is because there aren’t enough attorneys to bring them.

By: East Sider

East Sider — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:15:00 +0000

Mr. Flerporillo
Lengthy but I believe answers all your questions: http://www.nysut.org/legislation_16622.htm

By: Mr. Flerporillo

Mr. Flerporillo — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 15:01:00 +0000

Still not clear how any of that indicates that costs aren’t a factor in the city’s decisions about how many 3020 cases to bring.

Separately, do you have a citation for the statement below?

“cases under the new rules are averaging less than the 4 months period in the agreement”

By: East Sider

East Sider — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 14:58:00 +0000

The 2010 agreement expedited 3020 cases with strict time limits for arbitrators … cases under the new rules are averaging less than the 4 months period in the agreement … the cases are argued by board staff attorneys … some pre 2010 cases are still lingering … some because State Ed takes 18-24 months to pay arbitrators and some arbitrators will not release decisions until they are paid.

By: Mr. Flerporillo

Mr. Flerporillo — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 14:42:00 +0000

I’m not sure how you conclude that because it takes 4 months to discharge a teacher, costs are not a factor.

By: East Sider

East Sider — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:51:00 +0000

In NYC the process to discharge a teacher is 4 months long, frequently shorter, it has nothing to do with budget cuts or costs at all, it has to do with evidence … did the principal observe and offer assistence throughout the school year … if the answer is no the department lawyers will not pursue a case … John King, the State Commissioner called the NYC “a model for the state.”

By: bob schwartz

bob schwartz — Sun, 02 Sep 2012 14:38:00 +0000

I’ve worked in schools in Bed-Stuy and East NY and over the past two years, those teachers have received U ratings. How can you give a teacher in some of these lower income neighborhoods U ratings? They are subjected to being cursed at, assaulted, threatened and vandalism. And that’s from the parents! I know, I know, how can I say this? But it’s the truth.

By: Teachforlife

Teachforlife — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:59:00 +0000

Just a question: What makes a principal a fair judge of a teacher? Most principals (not all of them, of course) were probably very bad teachers, if they taught at all.

By: Guest

Guest — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:37:00 +0000

becuase of budget cuts the city is not taking as many cases to fire u rated teachers. the process is ludicrous and so expensive in a time of tight budgets principals are having to put even they very worst in front of children. so principals are not going to u rate. how much does it cost on average to fire a teacher… want to guess… do a little searching on that gem. thanks union. nice.

By: Winralphie1

Winralphie1 — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:03:00 +0000

Who determines “what is weak”? If you don’t agree with the methodology of your administration which is being dumped on you at lightning speed, and you are considered one of the best by all of your classes, then I guess they can give you a “U” because you are “weak”? If what they tell you to do doesn’t work…it’s your fault!

By: Mr. Harris

Mr. Harris — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:09:00 +0000

What? He’s not admitted that he’s gay and I’ve seen no evidence to suggest that he is. Sources please?

By: BK

BK — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:46:00 +0000

Very simply- i teach at one of them. Facts are facts.

By: Mr. Flerporillo

Mr. Flerporillo — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 06:05:00 +0000

I can’t recall the specifics of the exchange, although I think you may be
getting it wrong. I do recall asking her if there were any points on which she differed with those of the union, and I believe she responded that she had opposed 25/55. I believe she also stated that she had made a considered decision to generally support the union because she felt its interests were, for all intents and purposes, aligned with those of parents. I probably disagreed with that, because I think that the interests of parents and students sometimes diverge in important ways. You probably noticed that I disagreed with Ms. Haimson and concluded that I was therefore wrong or bad.

For what it’s worth, I don’t doubt Ms. Haimson’s convictions. I do think her work obscures rather than illuminates the causes of increasing class sizes, which are financial and which correspond directly to massive increases in spending on employee benefits and retiree benefits and pensions, and shortfalls in federal and state aid. I also think her work has been ineffective by the only measure that matters: class sizes, which continue to increase without regard to how many times we note that they’re increasing. I think a serious discussion of how to meaningfully reduce class sizes has to involve a hard look at the real costs of such a plan. Those costs are very large. They would require huge sacrifices somewhere, and probably everywhere.

I moved to this city 20 years ago without any expectation of staying. I’m probably a lifer now. It’s not an easy place to live, but it’s grown on me. Anyway, I’ve made the decisions to stay in the city and to send my children to public school here, and I have little concern about getting zinged by somebody who hasn’t made either of those decisions, and who doesn’t take me seriously in the first place.

By: Nycdoenuts

Nycdoenuts — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:59:00 +0000

Well, when Leonie Haimson reached out to you in a comment on this very site, you publicly responded only with interest in whether she supported 25/55 (retirement for teachers)…a subject that seems very dear to your heart, but isn’t very much related either to what she does in advocacy or to what I’ve read you comment about here.

Although, I look forward to reading about your passion behind testing and class size in the future. I’m sure you’ll have a lot to add on those topics

By: Humpty Dumped On

Humpty Dumped On — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:33:00 +0000

Help!!. I got an email from CLS with my class roster for the last year on it. I had signed off on a list in April removing several students who seemed to have magically appeared on my roster. They appeared again on this current list though I had previously removed them. One was put into my class the day after the test. CLS tells me that if a student appeared on your roster any time between Sept and the Test then they are counted for/against you. Fortunately I have moved schools but I feel like I was dumped on. I am special education teacher and students were moved out of gen ed classes right before the test. Any help would be appreciated.

By: Mr. Flerporillo

Mr. Flerporillo — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:27:00 +0000

I would be surprised to hear it did, which is why I was wondering how you knew what percentage of teachers getting U ratings are at troubled schools.

By: Abc

Abc — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:48:00 +0000

Flerpi you can change the name but you can’t hide from the fact that you won’t give one minute of your time to work in a school. Once a snark always a snark.
At least as a teacher you can talk about what you know so if you bash the profession at least you can talk from experience. If you bash and you have no idea about what you are bashing what do you call that? Snarky lawyer!!!
For your information he certainly doesn’t want to destroy his daughters school just everyone else’s