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For some teachers, job hunt calculus includes possible buyout

Inside a Columbia University building, hundreds of teachers rubbed shoulders while chatting up recruiters from 80 schools.

A late-summer city teacher recruitment fair bustled with newly-trained Teaching Fellows and experienced teachers still looking for jobs yesterday.

But no one was lined up to talk to leaders from Food and Finance High School shortly after 4 p.m.

The school has top marks from the Department of Education and a graduation rate that far exceeds the city average. But the fair was less than fruitful, recruiters said, because they only have one position available: a social studies job that is subject to city hiring restrictions.

“All of these young candidates are coming in bright eyed, and yet there’s a freeze on history,” said Joseph Clausi, the high school’s recruiter and an assistant principal. “They come here with these great resumes, and we can’t even talk to them.”

His was among close to 80 schools attending the fair. Others, like Pelham Academy of Academics and Community Engagement, a Bronx middle school the Bronx Theater High School, and representatives from the New Visions Network of schools had lines snaking around the rows of booths set up in an auditorium at Columbia University.

 The city has been slowly lifting its three-year-old hiring restrictions, which have limited the numbers of new teachers who can compete for jobs with teachers currently in the city’s system. But there is still a hiring freeze on some teaching areas and subjects, such as high school social studies and regular elementary school positions.

The event was open only to city teachers hunting for new positions, as well as Teaching Fellows, Teach for America recruits, and teachers from outside the school system who had registered with the Department of Education. City officials told principals not to advertise the time or location, which were once posted on the internet but later removed.

Of the 500-some teachers who attended the fair, just under 200 were members of the Absent Teacher Reserve, the pool of teachers without permanent positions. The job fair holds high stakes for those teachers, because if they don’t find a job by the new school year they will be rotated to a new school each week as substitutes, sometimes performing office duties. Schools are required to interview those teachers, but they don’t have to hire them.

City officials said the ATR pool had grown “slightly” from the 830 teachers it held in June. But it is still far smaller than it was at this time last year, when there were 1,900 ATRs.

The city and teachers union have struggled to agree on how to treat ATR members, who stay on the city’s payroll even though they lack permanent teaching assignments. Last year, the solution was to eliminate the budget for substitute teachers and create the rotation system.

This year, the city may have another solution to reduce the cost of the ATR pool: the teachers union and the city are negotiating an ATR buyout option, which would allow teachers who have been in the ATR pool for a certain amount of time to leave the profession in exchange for a portion of their salaries. The option could take effect by September if negotiations succeed, but nothing is certain. Still, some teachers who have been in the ATR pool for several years now see it as a better option than staying in the job-hunting game.

“Everything I’ve taught [via the ATR pool] is outside of my license area. But the truth is, if I accept a new position, I’d be ineligible for the buyout,” One teacher who asked not to be identified and has spent the last five years in the ATR pool, said. “I might not take a position.”

She said she has been hounding union representatives for information on the status of the buyout negotiations, in hopes that they will be complete before she finds a new job. But she was pessimistic about her chances of finding a position anyway, because only a half-dozen elementary schools showed up and their recruiters gave her lukewarm responses.

“My resume says I started teaching in 1975,” she said. She believes those numbers have become a barrier to her job hunt because her salary is on the high-end of the spectrum. The way the city bills schools for salaries penalizes many senior teachers, who cost more than teachers with less experience.

“I brought everything with me today, my students’ scores, but they don’t want to see those,” she said, motioning to a thick file she carried in her tote bag. “They don’t value my experience here. The Fellows are invited, and they are cheaper than I am.”

A Manhattan high school math teacher who just lost her position because she was the least senior teacher on staff said she would not take a buyout offer if given the option.

“I wouldn’t do it,” she said. “I got into this profession because I wanted to teach in New York City schools.”

The teacher was looking for positions in Manhattan and Queens, and left the fair discouraged see that most of the high schools were from the Bronx. But she was able to schedule several follow-up interviews with recruiters.

Tom Miner, a Teaching Fellow seeking his first job as a high school physics teacher, said he felt hopeful about the job hunt because his license area is in high demand.

“Science is in need, and even within science, physics is more in need,” he said. “I dropped off two resumes, which was better than the last fair I was at.”

A minute later, a friend who is also a Teaching Fellow looking for high school physics jobs greeted Miner. “I guess we’re ‘frennemies’,” he joked.

  • Miz H

    Why should we even hire those stuck-up Teaching Fellows and TFA Corp members? They make people like myself who worked their way through Ed courses in a college (the old fashioned way) look like unmotivated losers. Hey DOE, put a premium on first year teachers like myself who plan on teaching the children of NY for the long run and who know the urban environment better than some bluestocking prig who only wants to teach for 2-3 years! 

  • Tom

    PRINCIPAL AT JOB FAIR: “All these young candidates are coming in bright eyed, and yet there’s a freeze on history teachers”. This sums up exactly how many principals as well as the DOE views newbie teachers. They are young, which is code for “cheap and untenured”. They are also bright eyed which is code for “not yet jaded by the reality of being bashed as a teacher in a hostile school.

  • Pogue

    Dump the TFA program and there’ll be openings for ATR’s and bright-eyed candidates who want teaching to be their livelihood.

    Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot, it’s all about union busting.

  • http://twitter.com/mandercorn Mark Anderson

    Because obviously, everyone who is a Teaching Fellow or TFA is a “stuck-up” “bluestocking prig.”

    And only people who took ed courses in college plan on teaching “for the long run.”

  • Tom

    I have nothing against TFA or Teaching Fellows as people. I also would not use crude words to describe them. However, the majority of teachers that I see leave the system every year are TFA’ers and Teaching Fellows. (TFA leave way more than Fellows however) Many of these teachers proudly admit that they are only going to teach for a few years and then go off to law school. How do you expect life-long teachers to respect these people as professionals if they are just “slumming it” for a few years to gain street cred on a law school application?

  • Gramps

    I was just popping open a bottle of Geritol and thinking about the good old days when experience as a teacher was considered a positive trait. Oh well, water under the bridge I guess.

  • Nycdoenuts

    If Food and Finance High wanted a social studies teacher, maybe they should have advertised it on the Open Market. I’m pretty smart, teach social studies, and was in the Open Market looking a few times each week. I never saw a Food and Finance high in the west 50s.

    But instead, they’ll talk to the press about how bad it is that they can’t hire brand new teachers, at the last minute, after the Open Market has closed when they know only ATRs will be available to them.

    I think it was a cool piece, and I’m sorry to digress, but knowing that there are people like the ones who recruit for that first school mentioned makes my blood boil. Not only can they not recruit with the Open Market period, and leave themselves able to hire only teachers from the reserve, they have the audacity to cry how unfair the system is -to them!- because they are not allowed to ignore the experienced teachers and hire only brand new teachers.

  • Anonymous

    Most TFA’s do not stay, some do but that is rare. It is teach for a while or teach for a resume. Do your bit for the human race and maybe you will get a prime job at Goldman Sachs later or get into grad. school. They will never cost as much..no families for insurance, don’t stay long enough for a pension, easy to get them to become Stepford test prep drones, good to experiment on other peoples’s children.

    Move on 2-3 years from now, hire a new crop, deprofessionalize teaching and save money. Repeat after me: it is the civil rights movement of our time and it is all for the children. Go reform…the Bloomberg business model style. Isn’t it great?

    Sign up your child for a school filled with newbies with no experience.

    YOU FIRST!

  • Anonymous

    Now the less experience you have the higher your students’ test scores will be….as if that is even a true indicator of teaching and learning not to mention that it is bull____. It is fun to experiment on other peoples’ children….especially poor ones of color.

  • Miz H

    They actually posted on the New Teacher Finder which is really stupid on their part. Why post on the NTF when you can’t hire New Teachers anyway? 

  • Miz H

    THANK YOU! 

  • guest

    What happens is that after two years of teaching, either they leave or are suddenly made assistant principals and within another year or two off to the Leadership Academy to become another boy or girl wonder Principal not having the slightest idea of how to carry out the prime role of a Principal i.e. to use their “experience” to help train young and beginning teachers and make concrete good suggestions, based on this experience, for their improvement.  And then after another couple of years, they find a job at Tweed for them.  The Deputy Chancellor, the butcher of Jamaica High Schol who took his staff out for drinks the day he finished the murder of that school,   is a prime example of this Peter Principle at work.  This takes polace at the expense of so many teacher who tried to climb the career ladder the right way are dumped into the ATR.

    And it is the UFT that has allowed the DOE to pull this garbage on their members.  It is quite sickening.

  • Nycdoenuts

    Well, because they can claim that there are “no other qualified candidates,” if they wait till the last minute and hope for the rule to be waived.

    And if that fails, they can get lucky and bump into someone from the press and lie about how sad their plight is that they can’t ignore veteran teachers.

  • Teacher

    Just what the DOE wants: Teacher vs. Teacher. We’re all in this together. It’s the DOE who is anti-student, anti-teacher, anti-education.

  • chaz

    How clueless the teaching fellow who wants a Physics position is.  Many schools no longer offer Physics and the ones who do limit it to one teacher.  There is a glut of Physics teachers in excess and good luck getting a position.

  • Marty

    Rachel, if this commenter is correct, then this deserves a follow up story.  Why isn’t this job posted?

  • Deccansoft

    Rachel Cromidas,
    What happens is that after two years of teaching, either they leave or are suddenly made assistant principals and within another year or two off to the Leadership Academy to become another boy or girl wonder Principal not having the slightest idea of how to carry out the prime role of a Principal i.e. to use their “experience” to help train young and beginning teachers and make concrete good suggestions, based on this experience, for their improvement. Nice article to the for some teachers, job hunt calculus includes possible buyout.

  • Former Teacher

    I was at a dinner once and the doctor at the dinner told me he was a TFA.  He outright told me he did it to pad his medical school application.  I went into teaching in 1989 and now am a substitute due to this hiring of cheap inexperienced new teachers verses an experienced teacher. Additionally, my experience was mostly in NYC schools which means the DOE actually negates its own experience.  I should of done what this doctor did.

  • http://excessedteachernyc.blogspot.com/ zeno

    I’m in that pitiful ATR  and (see my blog for a redefination of ATR )- hell, I wasn’t even told of a job fair…how am I to get a position…oh, this is all way too much.  Experienced teachers devalued.  excessedteachernyc.blogspot.com  have a laugh.

  • Fellow

     I’m a teacher fellow.  I understand your frustrations.  It must be tough understanding the retention rate of most fellows is 2-3 years and seeing how principals desire fellows for their small salaries.

    BUT, your qualms should not be with the fellows.  You should be angry with the system.  We’re not all that bad.  I’ve met many fellows who have been in the system for more than the expected 2-3 years and they’re a dedicated bunch who will teach for the rest of their working lives.  I’m about to hit my fifth year and I couldn’t be more thankful to the fellows.  But you’re right, it is a shame to see so many drop out, as if education is a stepping stone to a more lucrative career.  However, you shouldn’t paint us all with the same brush.

  • Nycdoenuts

    I agree. The fault lies with the policy of giving principals 65,000 for each teacher. If a teacher makes more than that, then it’s in the principal’s economic interest not to hire that teacher. But if a teacher makes far less then that, then it’s in the principal’s economic interest to hire that less experienced teacher and use the extra money to bring great programs to his/her school.

    Nothing in that equation should point blame to the young teachers who wind up being hired -fellows or TFA-ers. As upset as I am with the policy or with the building leaders who enjoy the benefits of that policy, blaming our own colleagues just isn’t something that should happen.

  • Invictus

    Please stop using the term “struggling” to describe schools that have consciously decided to circumvent the present, contractual hiring system in order to save some budget money…while hiring the newly minted candidates from the rolls of TFA or the Teaching Fellows.  Unlike the term being used to describe students that are “struggling” or underperforming, which takes years in order to come to light, these schools “struggles” are most recent and most definitely voluntary and economical in motivation rather than a sociological phenomena. 

  • Invictus

     Following in the same train of though, this ‘cluelessness’ reminds me of the State Education Department no understand how phase out schools do not have ‘more rigorous’ subjects in their rosters….Without understanding that it is they who have decided to turn the blind eye to the destruction of local schools through school choice policies. 

    FF, 10-15 years, for profit institutions will teach the same higher level classes that were once taught in regular public schools, in order to help students, land on their feet in a 2-4 year college.

  • Csmith33

    What about principals who are using their ability to excess teachers (regardless of seniority) just because they want to get rid of them? Case in point, THE GREAT BOYS AND GIRLS HIGH SCHOOL!
    This is another scandal that will quietly go away because the now ATR’s in that, building are too afraid to talk.

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