Comments on: City picks parent, principal, network leader to head Stuyvesant

By: Aresdude718

Aresdude718 — Wed, 26 Sep 2012 06:10:00 +0000

For all of those Stuy students who claimed cheating did not happen on a wide scale:
When the school’s newspaper, The Spectator , conducted a survey of 2,045 students in March, 80 percent said they had cheated in one way or another.(Source: From a NYT article, feel free to google it)

By: Lolway

Lolway — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:27:00 +0000

The kids who went to cram schools and the kids that went to these select middle schools are often the same kids. These middle schools were nothing special, it is largely the parents pushing their children to attend and work hard in the cram schools that get results.

By: ActualStudent

ActualStudent — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:47:00 +0000

paul4321, assuming you were a student, it’s much more likely that you are lying, and not dangerously oblivious.

With the exception of teachers such as Mr.Geller (may he rest in peace) I saw cheating happen in practically every single class I took, and most of the time it was on a class-wide basis.If you walk into the lunchroom during any given period, you will find students copying homework.

If you go on Facebook, you find students posting answers to take-home tests.I just can’t bring myself to believe someone would be so blind that they missed the cheating that went on in stuy on a daily basis.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:08:00 +0000

They ARE a small segment. I guess I’m “dangerously oblivious” as well.

By: Guest

Guest — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 03:50:00 +0000

Very shortsighted of you to stereotype all teachers that work in schools in low-income areas as idiotic. So you can evaluate teachers based on a few visits? You have no idea how challenging it is to teach day in and day out in a struggling school. You went to Stuy and never had to deal with any behavioral issues. I went to one of the worst high schools in NY and now I teach at another school that is deemed bad. Did you honestly think that teachers at schools like Stuyvesant and BK Tech are any better than the teachers teaching at the bad schools? Flip flop the teachers in those schools and the students in both schools will stay about the same. You could put a monkey in front of the kids at Stuyvesant and those kids will do their work. Try getting 34 kids that are at least four or five reading levels behind to read Shakespeare, solve equations and analyze DBQs. The teachers in these “bad” schools work harder than most and want to see the kids succeed. I will admit that there are some teachers who just aren’t cut out for teaching but you are completely off base in your comment.

By: Ray Brower

Ray Brower — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:36:00 +0000

It’s not another reorganization, the powers that currently be are placing their loyal sycophants from the networks into more traditional positions in hopes that they’ll survive when the next Mayor rids the system of the Bloomberg waste. Their motives are twofold: rewarding their relatives, friends, and those who refused to criticize their failed policies AND they’re hoping to maintain a presence after Bloomberg is gone. It’s sinister.

By: ActualStudent

ActualStudent — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:30:00 +0000

It’s surprising because she was on the PTA, and the PTA should know about school-wide scandals that happen.

@furtgo:twitter, if you didn’t see cheating all around you when you went to Stuy, then you are just as stuylin’ said, either lying or dangerously oblivious.I’m thinking it’s the former.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:53:00 +0000

It’d be hard for a principal to create substantiated grounds in order to fire a teacher who mistreats the principal’s kid.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:20:00 +0000

I must know the type of people who didn’t cheat. Like stick with like.

By: Chongwangliu

Chongwangliu — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:01:00 +0000

She’s a great pick by Walcott. She looks the part, which is important for the DOE now since they are regarded as jokes. The oriental visual is a likeable choice. Who cares if she’s talented, she’s a former network leader which is a fake position, so she knows how to b.s. Good for her. We need more orientals to lead our schools!!

By: Anon

Anon — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:37:00 +0000

Up from network leader would be “Cluster Leader”. 8 networks make up a cluster.

By: 123

123 — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:35:00 +0000

How is it surprising that she didn’t know?
Teenagers keep lots of secrets from their parents, and a group of cheaters is not necessarily a topic that comes up during dinner conversations.

By: Former Teacher

Former Teacher — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:17:00 +0000

If Network Leaders are being pushed into becoming principals, then another reorganization is imminent. From what I understand, NYC being considered one district, is not sustainable.

By: guest

guest — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:28:00 +0000

I am glad she was selected, as she is an excellent choice. As Ms. Zhang has stated that she is applying for the position under C30, we need to stop the harranging and let her get to work and do her job!

By: Nycdoenuts

Nycdoenuts — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 05:34:00 +0000

And I’d just like to add, given that Networks aren’t held to any apparent accountability standards, it is quite impossible for her to have been a failure as a network leader.

(And speaking only for myself, I never implied that she was. Only that Tweed send to be making a habit of promoting network leaders down to principals. I think this us the fourth time they’ve done it this year)

By: BK

BK — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 04:55:00 +0000

Sorry Tim but i have to agree with Ray. Do you know what a Network Leader is? And does anyone realize that a lot of them are being PUSHED to be principals and leave their Network jobs?

By: ActualStudent

ActualStudent — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 04:41:00 +0000

but ask any student who actually went to the school…

They aren’t a small segment.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 03:59:00 +0000

That’s precisely why the students in Bronx Science are doing well in spite of the upheavals there.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 03:56:00 +0000

There. are. three. thousand. students. The cheaters and amphetamine takers are a small minority. Of course not everyone would know.

And do you really think someone would advertise that they cheated or took uppers?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 03:53:00 +0000

Couldn’t agree more. I’m glad someone has pointed this out. The vast majority of Stuyvesant comes from a handful of certain middle schools and the rest went to certain cram schools on weekends.

And inner city parents likely never heard of neither type of school; no word of mouth. I bet no administrators ever told them, either; because the administrators think it’s a waste of time.