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		<title>By: Pjg320</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pjg320</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dollars come, dollars go ... if the job was withdrawn you return to your previous position ... if you were not a DoE employee you must continue to apply through Open Market. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dollars come, dollars go &#8230; if the job was withdrawn you return to your previous position &#8230; if you were not a DoE employee you must continue to apply through Open Market. </p>
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		<title>By: abeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>abeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was offered a job at a turn around school as a guidance counselor, and I accepted the job.  However, with the decision I don&#039;t have a job anymore.  What are my options?  What can I do?  I don&#039;t think it is right that I was offered a job, but b/c the UFT won the case, I get pushed aside and forgotten about.

Why offer me the job in the first place then?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was offered a job at a turn around school as a guidance counselor, and I accepted the job.  However, with the decision I don&#8217;t have a job anymore.  What are my options?  What can I do?  I don&#8217;t think it is right that I was offered a job, but b/c the UFT won the case, I get pushed aside and forgotten about.</p>
<p>Why offer me the job in the first place then?</p>
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		<title>By: Gsnide1881</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gsnide1881</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JJ -- You sound like one of those carreer educators.  You know, the ones that Tweed and Bloomie want to get rid of.  Your points are on point.  Well stated!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ &#8212; You sound like one of those carreer educators.  You know, the ones that Tweed and Bloomie want to get rid of.  Your points are on point.  Well stated!</p>
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		<title>By: Keepitsimple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keepitsimple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Human,  your comments mirror much of the public&#039;s sentiment who have not spent one day inside a city school.  Im not talking about specialized schools or grammar schools where most of time most everything seems fine and dandy.  Here comes the cliche:  Do you honestly think the fault lies with teachers?  Are you that ignorant?  Do you believe that the majority of students who struggle are actually studying, doing homework, come to class and put their best effort forward?  If you do - well, I&#039;ll keep it simple - you have have not one clue.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human,  your comments mirror much of the public&#8217;s sentiment who have not spent one day inside a city school.  Im not talking about specialized schools or grammar schools where most of time most everything seems fine and dandy.  Here comes the cliche:  Do you honestly think the fault lies with teachers?  Are you that ignorant?  Do you believe that the majority of students who struggle are actually studying, doing homework, come to class and put their best effort forward?  If you do &#8211; well, I&#8217;ll keep it simple &#8211; you have have not one clue.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happens to teachers who had mortgages and children and were told to find another job and just go away and lets replace them with the younger less experienced tfa teachers.Many of these people paid union dues for years and did what they were told and were tossed out to be replaced with with younger people who in this economic environment decided to teach because there were no other jobs.
Human your being used by a mayor who doesn&#039;t have one human characteristic. He has taken the contract and made believe it doesn&#039;t exist to get his way.You are caught up in the illegal things he did.In a way I feel sorry for you and in other ways I think you have a lot of growing to do.
Just because you graduated from a great college doesn&#039;t mean you know the ways of the world. 
Human 
You need to know that you really have no idea about the teaching profession.You wouldn&#039;t know an effective teacher if you tripped over them.Teachers don&#039;t cause schools to underperform, students cause the schools to underperform. You had been brainwashed into believing the tfa and e4e kaka. I have seen so many young people come into the profession with big ideas and wash out very quickly. 
Experience Counts
Read some of the articles about tfa.
After three years most have washed out and left the profession


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens to teachers who had mortgages and children and were told to find another job and just go away and lets replace them with the younger less experienced tfa teachers.Many of these people paid union dues for years and did what they were told and were tossed out to be replaced with with younger people who in this economic environment decided to teach because there were no other jobs.<br />
Human your being used by a mayor who doesn&#8217;t have one human characteristic. He has taken the contract and made believe it doesn&#8217;t exist to get his way.You are caught up in the illegal things he did.In a way I feel sorry for you and in other ways I think you have a lot of growing to do.<br />
Just because you graduated from a great college doesn&#8217;t mean you know the ways of the world. <br />
Human <br />
You need to know that you really have no idea about the teaching profession.You wouldn&#8217;t know an effective teacher if you tripped over them.Teachers don&#8217;t cause schools to underperform, students cause the schools to underperform. You had been brainwashed into believing the tfa and e4e kaka. I have seen so many young people come into the profession with big ideas and wash out very quickly. <br />
Experience Counts<br />
Read some of the articles about tfa.<br />
After three years most have washed out and left the profession</p>
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		<title>By: A Brooklyn Turnaround Victim</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Brooklyn Turnaround Victim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[define an ineffective teacher Human....because teachers with experience,with years in are usually VERY EFFECTIVE.....it&#039;s not the veteran teachers that caused theses schools, including my own to have issues. It was the Mayor and the Chancellor who LET THESE SCHOOLS DOWN!  The interview process had nothing to do with finding out who would be good for the schools...you had to know the buzzwords and the lingo and you had to be young to be considered. 
The teachers who they did hire....let them find jobs in schools that actually have open positions. 
By the way.....young and motivated does not equate qualified and talented. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>define an ineffective teacher Human&#8230;.because teachers with experience,with years in are usually VERY EFFECTIVE&#8230;..it&#8217;s not the veteran teachers that caused theses schools, including my own to have issues. It was the Mayor and the Chancellor who LET THESE SCHOOLS DOWN!  The interview process had nothing to do with finding out who would be good for the schools&#8230;you had to know the buzzwords and the lingo and you had to be young to be considered.<br />
The teachers who they did hire&#8230;.let them find jobs in schools that actually have open positions.<br />
By the way&#8230;..young and motivated does not equate qualified and talented. </p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Human - Most of the young teachers are not going to have the choice of making teaching a career.  They will either be denied tenure for specious reasons or those who do survive to get it will be found to be &quot;ineffective&quot; just before they qualify for a pension. Invictus is referring to folks who come in as 5 week wonders thinking they are not the equal but superior to veteran educators who have paid their dues.  They are scabs, and are unwittingly making it more difficult to achieve a career in teaching for themselves and those who come after.  They will get theirs if their puppet masters succeed in destroying the union - there will be no one to protect them from the arbitrary and capricious actions of an unqualified and disinterested Administration, and Tier 6 will look like a Wall St. Golden Parachute.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human &#8211; Most of the young teachers are not going to have the choice of making teaching a career.  They will either be denied tenure for specious reasons or those who do survive to get it will be found to be &#8220;ineffective&#8221; just before they qualify for a pension. Invictus is referring to folks who come in as 5 week wonders thinking they are not the equal but superior to veteran educators who have paid their dues.  They are scabs, and are unwittingly making it more difficult to achieve a career in teaching for themselves and those who come after.  They will get theirs if their puppet masters succeed in destroying the union &#8211; there will be no one to protect them from the arbitrary and capricious actions of an unqualified and disinterested Administration, and Tier 6 will look like a Wall St. Golden Parachute.  </p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aren&#039;t you late for your E4E mixer? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t you late for your E4E mixer? </p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spoken just like Michael Bloomberg.  Look, they held many 18D interviews and what became obvious is they were axing a disproportionate number of senior teachers who in many cases, we are told, were among the best teachers in the school.

There are procedures for getting rid of ineffective teachers; yes it can be a bit difficult but then again one has to be sure if one is to be deprived of their jobs.  All along that&#039;s what the union has been asking for namely a rationale procedure with a fair appeals mechanism.  Bloomberg refuses to move on this.

Remember most of the 24 schools are high schools where you don&#039;t even have the simplistic idea of the reading and math ests because many many high school teachers do not teah a course ending in a Regents exam.  IOn many cases, these 24 schools were once very effective schools so was itr the teachers who changed?  It was Bloomberg who used these schools as dumping grounds when his pride and joy, the new small schools, wouldn&#039;t touch these students.  Remember what Yogi Berra once said.  When asked what makes a good manager, he answered, &quot;Good players.&quot;  What makes good teachers?  Good students, not necessarily academically speaking but at least polite and willing to learn.

Finally, while it is too strong a word.  Many of the new teachers who rushed in to apply for the jobs Bloomberg illegallyt tried to take away from veteran teachers are acting just like scabs.  No I don&#039;t want to see them get hurt and if jobs open up by fair means, I wish them well.  But not at the expernse of a teacher illegally bounced from his school by some 34 year old Principal who doesn&#039;t know you know what from you know what.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoken just like Michael Bloomberg.  Look, they held many 18D interviews and what became obvious is they were axing a disproportionate number of senior teachers who in many cases, we are told, were among the best teachers in the school.</p>
<p>There are procedures for getting rid of ineffective teachers; yes it can be a bit difficult but then again one has to be sure if one is to be deprived of their jobs.  All along that&#8217;s what the union has been asking for namely a rationale procedure with a fair appeals mechanism.  Bloomberg refuses to move on this.</p>
<p>Remember most of the 24 schools are high schools where you don&#8217;t even have the simplistic idea of the reading and math ests because many many high school teachers do not teah a course ending in a Regents exam.  IOn many cases, these 24 schools were once very effective schools so was itr the teachers who changed?  It was Bloomberg who used these schools as dumping grounds when his pride and joy, the new small schools, wouldn&#8217;t touch these students.  Remember what Yogi Berra once said.  When asked what makes a good manager, he answered, &#8220;Good players.&#8221;  What makes good teachers?  Good students, not necessarily academically speaking but at least polite and willing to learn.</p>
<p>Finally, while it is too strong a word.  Many of the new teachers who rushed in to apply for the jobs Bloomberg illegallyt tried to take away from veteran teachers are acting just like scabs.  No I don&#8217;t want to see them get hurt and if jobs open up by fair means, I wish them well.  But not at the expernse of a teacher illegally bounced from his school by some 34 year old Principal who doesn&#8217;t know you know what from you know what.</p>
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		<title>By: Newtown student</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newtown student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Human, this thing is not that simple.

I can tell you from being a current student in the system that this turnaround thing had nothing to do with the students AT ALL. From the very beginning, the turnaround thing was being done ONLY because the union and the city had a falling out in the beginning of the year over teacher evaluations; the schools were already under separate plans that were only beginning to be implemented in full force (http://gothamschools.org/2012/01/12/bloombergs-turnaround-switch-would-cause-33-school-closures/). Because of the timing of the change, we were never able to see what effects the process would carry out without interference.

As if that wasn&#039;t bad enough, the mayor stubbornly plowed ahead with the turnaround plans even when an agreement was reached that would make it possible to get the SIG money under other plans (http://gothamschools.org/2012/02/16/bloomberg-evaluations-progress-wont-stop-turnaround-plans/). This whole thing brings up a question: if it was so urgent to get out ineffective teachers, then why did he surprise us with this plan in the middle of the year?

Nobody asked for this; we students are just trying to live our lives, and while I can&#039;t speak for all students involved throughout the 24 schools, I know I speak for a sizable majority when I say that this whole process that the mayor started has only made it that much harder for us. We&#039;ve raised up our voices all around the city in an affirmative &quot;NO!&quot;, as shown by these articles:
*http://gothamschools.org/2012/04/18/pep-rally-tone-but-many-worries-at-queens-turnaround-hearings/ (includes the hearing at Newtown)
*http://gothamschools.org/2012/04/03/in-many-tongues-newtown-students-attempt-to-save-their-school/
*http://gothamschools.org/2012/02/15/grover-cleveland-students-join-fray-protesting-turnaround-plans/
*http://gothamschools.org/2012/03/28/as-hearing-nears-sheepshead-students-indict-turnaround-plan/
and countless other articles here on Gotham Schools and around the internet.

The only thing the turnaround plans have produced in the schools is confusion and disruption of daily life, because we have no idea what will happen in the new year, which teachers will stay, which ones will go, whether the programs we attend will exist next year, exact details of changes, etc. It has produced instability the likes of which I&#039;ve never seen before, and has bred a general dislike of the Mayor amongst the various student bodies.

Bottom line: the turnaround process has done the exact opposite of what the Mayor said it was supposed to do, and we&#039;re sick of it. At this point, most of us know that the city is not on our side, and is executing this plan for its own reasons, and at this point most of us share a common interest with the rank and file teachers in the schools to have change done in a way that doesn&#039;t throw everything into chaos (which has been the case from the beginning with this turnaround plan). Indeed, the focus should be the students, but it certainly isn&#039;t as far as the city is concerned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Human, this thing is not that simple.</p>
<p>I can tell you from being a current student in the system that this turnaround thing had nothing to do with the students AT ALL. From the very beginning, the turnaround thing was being done ONLY because the union and the city had a falling out in the beginning of the year over teacher evaluations; the schools were already under separate plans that were only beginning to be implemented in full force (<a href="http://gothamschools.org/2012/01/12/bloombergs-turnaround-switch-would-cause-33-school-closures/" rel="nofollow">http://gothamschools.org/2012/01/12/bloombergs-turnaround-switch-would-cause-33-school-closures/</a>). Because of the timing of the change, we were never able to see what effects the process would carry out without interference.</p>
<p>As if that wasn&#8217;t bad enough, the mayor stubbornly plowed ahead with the turnaround plans even when an agreement was reached that would make it possible to get the SIG money under other plans (<a href="http://gothamschools.org/2012/02/16/bloomberg-evaluations-progress-wont-stop-turnaround-plans/" rel="nofollow">http://gothamschools.org/2012/02/16/bloomberg-evaluations-progress-wont-stop-turnaround-plans/</a>). This whole thing brings up a question: if it was so urgent to get out ineffective teachers, then why did he surprise us with this plan in the middle of the year?</p>
<p>Nobody asked for this; we students are just trying to live our lives, and while I can&#8217;t speak for all students involved throughout the 24 schools, I know I speak for a sizable majority when I say that this whole process that the mayor started has only made it that much harder for us. We&#8217;ve raised up our voices all around the city in an affirmative &#8220;NO!&#8221;, as shown by these articles:<br />
*http://gothamschools.org/2012/04/18/pep-rally-tone-but-many-worries-at-queens-turnaround-hearings/ (includes the hearing at Newtown)<br />
*http://gothamschools.org/2012/04/03/in-many-tongues-newtown-students-attempt-to-save-their-school/<br />
*http://gothamschools.org/2012/02/15/grover-cleveland-students-join-fray-protesting-turnaround-plans/<br />
*http://gothamschools.org/2012/03/28/as-hearing-nears-sheepshead-students-indict-turnaround-plan/<br />
and countless other articles here on Gotham Schools and around the internet.</p>
<p>The only thing the turnaround plans have produced in the schools is confusion and disruption of daily life, because we have no idea what will happen in the new year, which teachers will stay, which ones will go, whether the programs we attend will exist next year, exact details of changes, etc. It has produced instability the likes of which I&#8217;ve never seen before, and has bred a general dislike of the Mayor amongst the various student bodies.</p>
<p>Bottom line: the turnaround process has done the exact opposite of what the Mayor said it was supposed to do, and we&#8217;re sick of it. At this point, most of us know that the city is not on our side, and is executing this plan for its own reasons, and at this point most of us share a common interest with the rank and file teachers in the schools to have change done in a way that doesn&#8217;t throw everything into chaos (which has been the case from the beginning with this turnaround plan). Indeed, the focus should be the students, but it certainly isn&#8217;t as far as the city is concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Invictus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Invictus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If there is any consolation, there will be plenty of jobs for the young and inexperienced to make their marks in NYC public schools just not in these 24.  

If I were such a candidate, I would think twice in starting out in such school, as the turnaround model or any sort of improvement model relies more in smoke and mirrors rather than what the school can &#039;honestly&#039; do to move forward and when the pressure comes in making the numbers look good, the new powers that be will demand students who are not even showing up to school to be passed or the teacher in question will be passed along to the exit door.  That is the reality in many of these pressure pots.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is any consolation, there will be plenty of jobs for the young and inexperienced to make their marks in NYC public schools just not in these 24.  </p>
<p>If I were such a candidate, I would think twice in starting out in such school, as the turnaround model or any sort of improvement model relies more in smoke and mirrors rather than what the school can &#8216;honestly&#8217; do to move forward and when the pressure comes in making the numbers look good, the new powers that be will demand students who are not even showing up to school to be passed or the teacher in question will be passed along to the exit door.  That is the reality in many of these pressure pots.  </p>
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		<title>By: Human</title>
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		<dc:creator>Human</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You think all young teachers trying to get jobs are just looking to use it as a stepping stone? I&#039;m sure that is not the case. 

Those people &quot;who have put their heart and soul in the profession&quot; were in the same position as these young teachers who are trying to start their career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think all young teachers trying to get jobs are just looking to use it as a stepping stone? I&#8217;m sure that is not the case. </p>
<p>Those people &#8220;who have put their heart and soul in the profession&#8221; were in the same position as these young teachers who are trying to start their career.</p>
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		<title>By: Invictus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Invictus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ The young and foolish should have thought about the hiring roulette that would have taken place BEFORE going through the motions.  I am sorry but if there is such a thing as Karma, I do not know what is.  

To make things more clear, remember that ultimately the young were looking for lasting a couple of years in the job as a stepping stone for other ventures but those people who are part of these schools are people who have put their heart and soul in the profession.  I say they should take this as a learning lesson about what is just and fair.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The young and foolish should have thought about the hiring roulette that would have taken place BEFORE going through the motions.  I am sorry but if there is such a thing as Karma, I do not know what is.  </p>
<p>To make things more clear, remember that ultimately the young were looking for lasting a couple of years in the job as a stepping stone for other ventures but those people who are part of these schools are people who have put their heart and soul in the profession.  I say they should take this as a learning lesson about what is just and fair.  </p>
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		<title>By: East Sider</title>
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		<dc:creator>East Sider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Senior and ineffective are not the same ... I have the opportunity to view many teachers - the vast majority range from C- to C+ with the ocassional star and the ocassioanal dud. New teachers may be highly motivated, remember half of them leave within three years ... as the dust settles over the next week schools will determine staffing needs ... BTW, ineffective teachers, regardless of seniority should be discharged, it is not impossible, it just requres a princiapal to do their job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senior and ineffective are not the same &#8230; I have the opportunity to view many teachers &#8211; the vast majority range from C- to C+ with the ocassional star and the ocassioanal dud. New teachers may be highly motivated, remember half of them leave within three years &#8230; as the dust settles over the next week schools will determine staffing needs &#8230; BTW, ineffective teachers, regardless of seniority should be discharged, it is not impossible, it just requres a princiapal to do their job.</p>
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		<title>By: Human</title>
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		<dc:creator>Human</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, so it seems like many people are on the side of the Union and are all for protecting teachers&#039; jobs, but wasn&#039;t the whole point of the turnaround to improve schools by getting rid of ineffective teachers?

Is nobody on the side of the students? Our primary concern should be the students.

By reversing the turnaround, we&#039;re not doing anything to help the students. We have thousands of young, motivated teachers trying to find jobs while we&#039;re protecting the veteran teachers, many of which are probably causing these schools to underperform.

What happens to teachers who were just hired to replace the old teachers and were then left hanging when the arbitrator reversed the turnaround?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so it seems like many people are on the side of the Union and are all for protecting teachers&#8217; jobs, but wasn&#8217;t the whole point of the turnaround to improve schools by getting rid of ineffective teachers?</p>
<p>Is nobody on the side of the students? Our primary concern should be the students.</p>
<p>By reversing the turnaround, we&#8217;re not doing anything to help the students. We have thousands of young, motivated teachers trying to find jobs while we&#8217;re protecting the veteran teachers, many of which are probably causing these schools to underperform.</p>
<p>What happens to teachers who were just hired to replace the old teachers and were then left hanging when the arbitrator reversed the turnaround?</p>
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		<title>By: Newtown student</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newtown student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After criticizing Mayor Bloomberg mercilessly for several months, his quotes in the article (“With god as my witness, I will not walk away from those kids”, &quot;...if we were to win—which we fully expect and...pray that we do&quot;) have moved me to apologize. Indeed, I was mistaken in thinking the mayor was being so malicious and greedy, and now I beg him for forgiveness.

Of course! Causing absolute chaos in the school system and destabilizing the lives of thousands was part of God&#039;s will! Who could have possibly known? This should make us all feel better now, shouldn&#039;t it? 

Surely, who are we to question Mayor Bloomberg - when it&#039;s obvious that his infinite wisdom in meting out deliberate disruption comes from above?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After criticizing Mayor Bloomberg mercilessly for several months, his quotes in the article (“With god as my witness, I will not walk away from those kids”, &#8220;&#8230;if we were to win—which we fully expect and&#8230;pray that we do&#8221;) have moved me to apologize. Indeed, I was mistaken in thinking the mayor was being so malicious and greedy, and now I beg him for forgiveness.</p>
<p>Of course! Causing absolute chaos in the school system and destabilizing the lives of thousands was part of God&#8217;s will! Who could have possibly known? This should make us all feel better now, shouldn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>Surely, who are we to question Mayor Bloomberg &#8211; when it&#8217;s obvious that his infinite wisdom in meting out deliberate disruption comes from above?</p>
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		<title>By: Bdiddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bdiddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[vote republican they are for the little people]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vote republican they are for the little people</p>
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		<title>By: burned</title>
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		<dc:creator>burned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think there are any models, because there&#039;s no DOE UFT agreement on a new teacher evaluation.  Our principal told us DOE now designates us FKATT: &quot;formerly known as Transformation/Turnaround.&quot; ) I guess the former Restart schools are &quot;FKART.&quot;)  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there are any models, because there&#8217;s no DOE UFT agreement on a new teacher evaluation.  Our principal told us DOE now designates us FKATT: &#8220;formerly known as Transformation/Turnaround.&#8221; ) I guess the former Restart schools are &#8220;FKART.&#8221;)  </p>
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		<title>By: Manhattan70</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manhattan70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no friggin&#039; idea what is going on.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no friggin&#8217; idea what is going on&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...but we had that illustrious Cathie Black!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;but we had that illustrious Cathie Black!</p>
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