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Got to love the Mayor’s quote…..is he kidding? This has never been about the students and anyone who believes it does is foolish….Glad I got the email but there are still a lot of unanswered questions that are not being addressed……what Federal Model will the schools be considered under, assuming that the judge sides with us? Do our names change?  Without the SIG funds, what happens?

Why are these positions still listed in the Open Market? No wonder everyone is confused.

Will the City continue to provide additional funding to the schools? Will the principals be restricted to current employees or can they still fill a percent of vacancies from teachers new to the system? Can principals reshuffle their budgets at this point and excess teachers at this point?  Is the August 7 Open Market closing date firm? If the City goes the school closing route what are the time frames?

Mary,

Plan B is identical to plan A: lie, avoid following the law, disrupt, destabilize and continue attacking.

This is a disaster!! As a turnaround teacher this is so embarrassing. If you’re child goes to one of these schools, what are you thinking? You’re child has been part of Bloomberg’s Union Destruction Experiment. If you’re a Junior at a turnaround school, most likely you’ve been a part of the Transformation model, Restart Model, and now Failed Turnaround model. Next year will be model four! Nice job Mike! You’ve basically made it impossible for any teacher to to be successful in these schools. So many good teachers have ran from these buildings leaving inexperienced or weak teachers at these schools. Decent schools have been able to poach these turnaround staffs. Bloomberg claims, “He will not walk away from these kids.”  What he means to say is, “Don’t worry kids, I’ll make the life of your favorite teachers and administrators so miserable, that there will be no incentive for them to stay. We’ll get the moral so low that enrollment drops, space opens and my charter school buddies will have space to open up in your historic building.” 

What is the process for CSA personnel?  Our union has been silent.

The Internet tells me that NYC hasn’t had a Chancellor with substantial (if any) public school teaching experience since Ramon Cortines, in the mid-1990s.  And before that, Richard Green, in the late 1980s. Interesting. 

I have no friggin’ idea what is going on…..

vote republican they are for the little people

Okay, so it seems like many people are on the side of the Union and are all for protecting teachers’ jobs, but wasn’t the whole point of the turnaround to improve schools by getting rid of ineffective teachers?

Is nobody on the side of the students? Our primary concern should be the students.

By reversing the turnaround, we’re not doing anything to help the students. We have thousands of young, motivated teachers trying to find jobs while we’re protecting the veteran teachers, many of which are probably causing these schools to underperform.

What happens to teachers who were just hired to replace the old teachers and were then left hanging when the arbitrator reversed the turnaround?

 The young and foolish should have thought about the hiring roulette that would have taken place BEFORE going through the motions.  I am sorry but if there is such a thing as Karma, I do not know what is. 

To make things more clear, remember that ultimately the young were looking for lasting a couple of years in the job as a stepping stone for other ventures but those people who are part of these schools are people who have put their heart and soul in the profession.  I say they should take this as a learning lesson about what is just and fair. 

If there is any consolation, there will be plenty of jobs for the young and inexperienced to make their marks in NYC public schools just not in these 24.  

If I were such a candidate, I would think twice in starting out in such school, as the turnaround model or any sort of improvement model relies more in smoke and mirrors rather than what the school can ‘honestly’ do to move forward and when the pressure comes in making the numbers look good, the new powers that be will demand students who are not even showing up to school to be passed or the teacher in question will be passed along to the exit door.  That is the reality in many of these pressure pots.  

Spoken just like Michael Bloomberg.  Look, they held many 18D interviews and what became obvious is they were axing a disproportionate number of senior teachers who in many cases, we are told, were among the best teachers in the school.

There are procedures for getting rid of ineffective teachers; yes it can be a bit difficult but then again one has to be sure if one is to be deprived of their jobs.  All along that’s what the union has been asking for namely a rationale procedure with a fair appeals mechanism.  Bloomberg refuses to move on this.

Remember most of the 24 schools are high schools where you don’t even have the simplistic idea of the reading and math ests because many many high school teachers do not teah a course ending in a Regents exam.  IOn many cases, these 24 schools were once very effective schools so was itr the teachers who changed?  It was Bloomberg who used these schools as dumping grounds when his pride and joy, the new small schools, wouldn’t touch these students.  Remember what Yogi Berra once said.  When asked what makes a good manager, he answered, “Good players.”  What makes good teachers?  Good students, not necessarily academically speaking but at least polite and willing to learn.

Finally, while it is too strong a word.  Many of the new teachers who rushed in to apply for the jobs Bloomberg illegallyt tried to take away from veteran teachers are acting just like scabs.  No I don’t want to see them get hurt and if jobs open up by fair means, I wish them well.  But not at the expernse of a teacher illegally bounced from his school by some 34 year old Principal who doesn’t know you know what from you know what.

Human – Most of the young teachers are not going to have the choice of making teaching a career.  They will either be denied tenure for specious reasons or those who do survive to get it will be found to be “ineffective” just before they qualify for a pension. Invictus is referring to folks who come in as 5 week wonders thinking they are not the equal but superior to veteran educators who have paid their dues.  They are scabs, and are unwittingly making it more difficult to achieve a career in teaching for themselves and those who come after.  They will get theirs if their puppet masters succeed in destroying the union – there will be no one to protect them from the arbitrary and capricious actions of an unqualified and disinterested Administration, and Tier 6 will look like a Wall St. Golden Parachute. 

What happens to teachers who had mortgages and children and were told to find another job and just go away and lets replace them with the younger less experienced tfa teachers.Many of these people paid union dues for years and did what they were told and were tossed out to be replaced with with younger people who in this economic environment decided to teach because there were no other jobs.
Human your being used by a mayor who doesn’t have one human characteristic. He has taken the contract and made believe it doesn’t exist to get his way.You are caught up in the illegal things he did.In a way I feel sorry for you and in other ways I think you have a lot of growing to do.
Just because you graduated from a great college doesn’t mean you know the ways of the world. 
Human 
You need to know that you really have no idea about the teaching profession.You wouldn’t know an effective teacher if you tripped over them.Teachers don’t cause schools to underperform, students cause the schools to underperform. You had been brainwashed into believing the tfa and e4e kaka. I have seen so many young people come into the profession with big ideas and wash out very quickly. 
Experience Counts
Read some of the articles about tfa.
After three years most have washed out and left the profession

JJ — You sound like one of those carreer educators.  You know, the ones that Tweed and Bloomie want to get rid of.  Your points are on point.  Well stated!

Dollars come, dollars go … if the job was withdrawn you return to your previous position … if you were not a DoE employee you must continue to apply through Open Market.