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	<title>Comments on: Arbitrator: City used &#8220;circular reasoning&#8221; to justify turnarounds</title>
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		<title>By: burned</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2012/07/06/arbitrator-city-used-circular-reasoning-to-justify-turnarounds/comment-page-1/#comment-374814</link>
		<dc:creator>burned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Principal, The principals of the 33 (later 24) Turnaround schools had to go to DOE hdq every Tuesday to be trained to carry out the Turnaround.  (I assume you were NOT among them)  A very important part of this training was how to hire staff.  I&#039;m sure that whatever they were trained to do, they did, and that took priority over the $35,000 (which would be hard to achieve in most cases anyhow) or school budget.  Their primary personal interest in making hiring decisions was to appease DOE, or they had every reason to believe they would not be principals for long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Principal, The principals of the 33 (later 24) Turnaround schools had to go to DOE hdq every Tuesday to be trained to carry out the Turnaround.  (I assume you were NOT among them)  A very important part of this training was how to hire staff.  I&#8217;m sure that whatever they were trained to do, they did, and that took priority over the $35,000 (which would be hard to achieve in most cases anyhow) or school budget.  Their primary personal interest in making hiring decisions was to appease DOE, or they had every reason to believe they would not be principals for long.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeoneWho Cares</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeoneWho Cares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Bloomberg cared at all about the students, he would have stuck to the transformation model for all these schools, hired principals who had true leadership qualities that inspire, encourage, and support staff as well as treat them like professionals, and provided materials and technology to help them succeed. Remember, this situation occurred when he didn&#039;t get his way with teacher evaluations. He wanted a teacher&#039;s whole career to be decided on an evaluation that allowed the teacher no right to appeal. That is the reason he decided, much to the detriment of students, to proceed with the turnaround plan. Many of the teachers who were let go from these schools were stellar teachers who won grants, awards, were featured in news articles, and whose students adored them. This is not about getting rid of ineffective teachers. How can it be? More than 70% of teachers were let go, and out of that 70%, only a handful received a U rating (and even those ratings were not necessarily warranted). The fact that the State is turning a blind eye to the Bloomberg problem (and yes, it is HE who is the problem) has left us with no one in whom to trust, believe, or restore faith. We all know Bloomberg is a wealthy man who can destroy careers whenever he opens his pockets or his mouth, but I for one have always believed that integrity, character, and wisdom were far more powerful than money. I guess I was wrong. My heart breaks for all the staff of these schools who may lose their positions and for all the students who have been pawns in this unconscionable exercise of power and bullying. If the State does the right thing and denies Bloomberg&#039;s appeal as well as replaces principals who abused their power, my faith in the system just might be restored. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bloomberg cared at all about the students, he would have stuck to the transformation model for all these schools, hired principals who had true leadership qualities that inspire, encourage, and support staff as well as treat them like professionals, and provided materials and technology to help them succeed. Remember, this situation occurred when he didn&#8217;t get his way with teacher evaluations. He wanted a teacher&#8217;s whole career to be decided on an evaluation that allowed the teacher no right to appeal. That is the reason he decided, much to the detriment of students, to proceed with the turnaround plan. Many of the teachers who were let go from these schools were stellar teachers who won grants, awards, were featured in news articles, and whose students adored them. This is not about getting rid of ineffective teachers. How can it be? More than 70% of teachers were let go, and out of that 70%, only a handful received a U rating (and even those ratings were not necessarily warranted). The fact that the State is turning a blind eye to the Bloomberg problem (and yes, it is HE who is the problem) has left us with no one in whom to trust, believe, or restore faith. We all know Bloomberg is a wealthy man who can destroy careers whenever he opens his pockets or his mouth, but I for one have always believed that integrity, character, and wisdom were far more powerful than money. I guess I was wrong. My heart breaks for all the staff of these schools who may lose their positions and for all the students who have been pawns in this unconscionable exercise of power and bullying. If the State does the right thing and denies Bloomberg&#8217;s appeal as well as replaces principals who abused their power, my faith in the system just might be restored. </p>
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		<title>By: BK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Gotham schools and all teachers and public should take notice what this principal says. In his/her comment there is not mention of helping kids. If you are a teacher who speaks out about actually teaching kids to succeed in life, not about the numbers, then you are a detriment to this principal. If you are a teacher who wants kids held accountable, then this principal does not want you. No matter how good of a teacher you are. The goal is to reach a number in any way possible, not to help kids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Gotham schools and all teachers and public should take notice what this principal says. In his/her comment there is not mention of helping kids. If you are a teacher who speaks out about actually teaching kids to succeed in life, not about the numbers, then you are a detriment to this principal. If you are a teacher who wants kids held accountable, then this principal does not want you. No matter how good of a teacher you are. The goal is to reach a number in any way possible, not to help kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Lives destroyed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lives destroyed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Turnaround is a ridiculous way to get rid of poor teachers. So many wonderful teachers, guidance counselors and secretaries were excessed along with some ineffective staff. It seems as if the interim principal just wants to get rid of the amazing spirit of the school. Lives have been destroyed; the school family has been torn apart and all because this is supposed to help the students!  Find a way to get rid of the &quot;bad&quot; teachers, but keep the good ones. There has to be another way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turnaround is a ridiculous way to get rid of poor teachers. So many wonderful teachers, guidance counselors and secretaries were excessed along with some ineffective staff. It seems as if the interim principal just wants to get rid of the amazing spirit of the school. Lives have been destroyed; the school family has been torn apart and all because this is supposed to help the students!  Find a way to get rid of the &#8220;bad&#8221; teachers, but keep the good ones. There has to be another way.</p>
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		<title>By: Unfairly blaming the teachers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unfairly blaming the teachers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: performance bonuses, which can exceed $35,000 with multi year additions,are based on test score improvements year to year. No principal,or anybody else, would oust any teacher who could help win the bonus.

OK: Let&#039;s say your school is a Transfer School, in which the students have multiple issues -- gaps due to interruptions in their prior education, personal issues that affect attendance and readiness to learn, etc.
You have a teacher of the hardest subject taught at your school.  And this teacher is the &quot;weak link&quot; in your school&#039;s test scores, because in that subject, fewer students are passing the Regents.
BUT, that teacher&#039;s Regents results are better than in any comparable student body to yours -- that is, the teacher&#039;s Regents results, while low, are higher than in any other transfer school in the borough, in this subject. This means that this supposed &quot;weak link&quot; teacher is actually the most successful teacher of that subject in all of  the Transfer Schools of that borough.  And that teacher&#039;s scores are improving, but very slowly, only a little, year to year.
You want that $35,000. bonus.  What do you do?
In the DOE, you decide to stop offering that subject in your school! 
But the problem is, what do you do with that teacher?  You don&#039;t need any other teachers in that subject area, and anyway, you can save a lot of money by getting rid of this teacher and not replacing them at all.
The only way to get rid of them is to make them out to be a bad teacher.  So you start doing lots more observations, and suddenly they turn out to be &quot;U&quot; ratings.  And you start becoming oh-so-strict with all kinds of DOE regs that you don&#039;t even enforce with the other teachers. That gives you a reason to put all kinds of letters in the teacher&#039;s file.  And you start interviewing the students, looking for the malcontents who will come up with supposed &quot;dirt&quot; on the teacher.  And you find any ruse you can to charge that teacher with anything you can make up, even if it&#039;s unsubstantiated, because remember, the burden of proof goes on the teacher at the DOE, not on the principal.
If the teacher endures this process long enough, they get a couple of &quot;u&quot; ratings for the year, and boom: 3020a charges!  Then, that teacher is removed from your school, and you get your $35,000 bonus!!!

MEANWHILE, even if the teacher survives the 3020a process, at best they become an ATR with &quot;U&quot; ratings, and too high on the pay scale for anyone to hire at another school.  YOU, dear principal, have ruined a perfectly good -- even excellent -- teacher&#039;s career, and deprived your students from the chance to reach for the stars (by taking this difficult subject that you dropped because only a few of your students were Regents material in this subject).  ALL FOR $35,000.

Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but I know of this exact situation!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: performance bonuses, which can exceed $35,000 with multi year additions,are based on test score improvements year to year. No principal,or anybody else, would oust any teacher who could help win the bonus.</p>
<p>OK: Let&#8217;s say your school is a Transfer School, in which the students have multiple issues &#8211; gaps due to interruptions in their prior education, personal issues that affect attendance and readiness to learn, etc.<br />
You have a teacher of the hardest subject taught at your school.  And this teacher is the &#8220;weak link&#8221; in your school&#8217;s test scores, because in that subject, fewer students are passing the Regents.<br />
BUT, that teacher&#8217;s Regents results are better than in any comparable student body to yours &#8212; that is, the teacher&#8217;s Regents results, while low, are higher than in any other transfer school in the borough, in this subject. This means that this supposed &#8220;weak link&#8221; teacher is actually the most successful teacher of that subject in all of  the Transfer Schools of that borough.  And that teacher&#8217;s scores are improving, but very slowly, only a little, year to year.<br />
You want that $35,000. bonus.  What do you do?<br />
In the DOE, you decide to stop offering that subject in your school!<br />
But the problem is, what do you do with that teacher?  You don&#8217;t need any other teachers in that subject area, and anyway, you can save a lot of money by getting rid of this teacher and not replacing them at all.<br />
The only way to get rid of them is to make them out to be a bad teacher.  So you start doing lots more observations, and suddenly they turn out to be &#8220;U&#8221; ratings.  And you start becoming oh-so-strict with all kinds of DOE regs that you don&#8217;t even enforce with the other teachers. That gives you a reason to put all kinds of letters in the teacher&#8217;s file.  And you start interviewing the students, looking for the malcontents who will come up with supposed &#8220;dirt&#8221; on the teacher.  And you find any ruse you can to charge that teacher with anything you can make up, even if it&#8217;s unsubstantiated, because remember, the burden of proof goes on the teacher at the DOE, not on the principal.<br />
If the teacher endures this process long enough, they get a couple of &#8220;u&#8221; ratings for the year, and boom: 3020a charges!  Then, that teacher is removed from your school, and you get your $35,000 bonus!!!</p>
<p>MEANWHILE, even if the teacher survives the 3020a process, at best they become an ATR with &#8220;U&#8221; ratings, and too high on the pay scale for anyone to hire at another school.  YOU, dear principal, have ruined a perfectly good &#8212; even excellent &#8212; teacher&#8217;s career, and deprived your students from the chance to reach for the stars (by taking this difficult subject that you dropped because only a few of your students were Regents material in this subject).  ALL FOR $35,000.</p>
<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but I know of this exact situation!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds on point in general these days; going above and way beyond is what&#039;s desired and expected. Plus a teacher should be a consummate Yes person, taking on every extra responsibility under the sun and helping push back against any possible pushback from teachers who have lives outside of school. Oh, that&#039;s unpaid overtime in the private sector, and a part of most teacher&#039;s careers, but it&#039;s so much better when it&#039;s voluntary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds on point in general these days; going above and way beyond is what&#8217;s desired and expected. Plus a teacher should be a consummate Yes person, taking on every extra responsibility under the sun and helping push back against any possible pushback from teachers who have lives outside of school. Oh, that&#8217;s unpaid overtime in the private sector, and a part of most teacher&#8217;s careers, but it&#8217;s so much better when it&#8217;s voluntary.</p>
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		<title>By: ASTRAKA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ASTRAKA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; No principal,or anybody else, would oust any teacher who could help win the bonus.&quot; 

Based on your comments I can tell you are young and inexperienced.  Your comments do not describe reality in most schools.  Please, do not take my post as an insult.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220; No principal,or anybody else, would oust any teacher who could help win the bonus.&#8221; </p>
<p>Based on your comments I can tell you are young and inexperienced.  Your comments do not describe reality in most schools.  Please, do not take my post as an insult.</p>
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		<title>By: Turnaround Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turnaround Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At my school older teachers who produced the same test results as younger teachers were not invited back.

The difference between those invited back and those not invited back seems to have been willingness to work ten hours each day on student work and committees.  Teaching results seemed to count for very little, if anything, in hiring decisions. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At my school older teachers who produced the same test results as younger teachers were not invited back.</p>
<p>The difference between those invited back and those not invited back seems to have been willingness to work ten hours each day on student work and committees.  Teaching results seemed to count for very little, if anything, in hiring decisions. </p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Assuming you are a Principal, and I have no reason to doubt it, are you a Principal at one of the turnaround schools who has sold your staff and students down the river and also done nothing to defend the unique history of your school?  Even if one was to accept your premise, there are too many reports out there that excellent teachers were let go in these charades of interviews.  Any true Principal of a high school being subjected to this idiocy would have resigned rather than to push the DOE&#039;s agenda.  Oh yes, you can look at the example of Eric Nadelstern who pushed the DOE&#039;s agenda that he became a deputy chancellor, was an evil henchman in the closing of many schools  and when the time came, they threw him under the bus too.

I personally have little respect for any of the so called Principals who did not fight for their schools, staffs and students and who continue to pull this garbage such as using the new idiotic names for their schools to try to further this nonsense that these schools are being closed.

Further do you actually believe the chief problem with any of these schools is the teachers?  If you have the same students, you&#039;re going to get the same results unless you are in on the credit recovery or grade changing games played by so many of your colleagues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming you are a Principal, and I have no reason to doubt it, are you a Principal at one of the turnaround schools who has sold your staff and students down the river and also done nothing to defend the unique history of your school?  Even if one was to accept your premise, there are too many reports out there that excellent teachers were let go in these charades of interviews.  Any true Principal of a high school being subjected to this idiocy would have resigned rather than to push the DOE&#8217;s agenda.  Oh yes, you can look at the example of Eric Nadelstern who pushed the DOE&#8217;s agenda that he became a deputy chancellor, was an evil henchman in the closing of many schools  and when the time came, they threw him under the bus too.</p>
<p>I personally have little respect for any of the so called Principals who did not fight for their schools, staffs and students and who continue to pull this garbage such as using the new idiotic names for their schools to try to further this nonsense that these schools are being closed.</p>
<p>Further do you actually believe the chief problem with any of these schools is the teachers?  If you have the same students, you&#8217;re going to get the same results unless you are in on the credit recovery or grade changing games played by so many of your colleagues.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Principal I find many of the comments misinformed and way off base. First, principals are under considerable pressure to have test scores improve year over year. No principal would excess or force out anyone who produces solid test gains, as the job is on the line based on test scores.. Next, the cost of a teacher to the budget is the average salary of all the teachers in a school, making a senior teacher only marginally expensive, especially in a large school. Additionally, budgets are determined by the average salary the previous year not the up-coming year. Excessing a teacher in June would have o effect on the september budget, only on the budget for the following year.Finally, and of extreme importance to principals, performance bonuses, which can exceed $35,000 with multi year additions,are based on tet score improvements year to year. No principal,or anybody else, wouldwould oust any teacher who could help win the bonus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Principal I find many of the comments misinformed and way off base. First, principals are under considerable pressure to have test scores improve year over year. No principal would excess or force out anyone who produces solid test gains, as the job is on the line based on test scores.. Next, the cost of a teacher to the budget is the average salary of all the teachers in a school, making a senior teacher only marginally expensive, especially in a large school. Additionally, budgets are determined by the average salary the previous year not the up-coming year. Excessing a teacher in June would have o effect on the september budget, only on the budget for the following year.Finally, and of extreme importance to principals, performance bonuses, which can exceed $35,000 with multi year additions,are based on tet score improvements year to year. No principal,or anybody else, wouldwould oust any teacher who could help win the bonus.</p>
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		<title>By: old teach</title>
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		<dc:creator>old teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to but this arbitrator a 16 ounce bottle of Coca Cola and drink to him on the corner of East 79 street off of 5th avenue in Manhattan. What a hoot, the city claims he over stepped his authority, something this administration does continually. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to but this arbitrator a 16 ounce bottle of Coca Cola and drink to him on the corner of East 79 street off of 5th avenue in Manhattan. What a hoot, the city claims he over stepped his authority, something this administration does continually. </p>
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		<title>By: Bkbomb1449</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bkbomb1449</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ It is time for all teachers such as yourself to realize that the union is the problem. The DOE is against teachers so what they do against us should be expected. What does the union do to protect us should be where you point your finger. You pay a lot of dues for all of your points to be well taken care of. It is time to vote out Unity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> It is time for all teachers such as yourself to realize that the union is the problem. The DOE is against teachers so what they do against us should be expected. What does the union do to protect us should be where you point your finger. You pay a lot of dues for all of your points to be well taken care of. It is time to vote out Unity.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Flerporillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Flerporillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the City did agree to submit the question of arbitrability to the arbitrator.  If a party agrees that an arbitrator has the authority to decide whether he has jurisdiction over a dispute, a court isn&#039;t going to step in and revisit that question from scratch. This was either a big tactical error by the City or the City had reason to think that it had a better chance with the arbitrator than it had with the court. In either case, this appeal looks very weak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the City did agree to submit the question of arbitrability to the arbitrator.  If a party agrees that an arbitrator has the authority to decide whether he has jurisdiction over a dispute, a court isn&#8217;t going to step in and revisit that question from scratch. This was either a big tactical error by the City or the City had reason to think that it had a better chance with the arbitrator than it had with the court. In either case, this appeal looks very weak.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why did it happen?  Because your union gave up the excessing rules and the stipulation that excessed teachers be automatically assigned to openings first within the district but then city wide in the last contract to satisfy Joel Klein&#039;s (or Michael Bloomberg&#039;s same difference) demands that Principals be given complete autonomy to choose their staffs as is done in business and Randi Weingarten gave in (obstensibly in exhcnage for a raise but also as it sounds good and she didn&#039;t want to be pained as being opposed to reforming a failing system.  Another example of throwing union members under the bus.  What about what they did to tenure last year; thousands of teachers denied tenure for no reason at all.  Did they at least try to fight it under the principle of past practices, an important part of union bargaining rights?  No because after all if you&#039;re opposed to tenure reform, you&#039;re for the status quo and we can&#039;t have that.

Now they won the arbitration.  It is not clear their hearts were ever in it.  I didn&#039;t hear a peep from the union when thousands of teachers for no reason were illegally, as the arbitrator has found, were let go.  Now Mulgrew wants to meet with these people to set up a way to make sure the schools are up and running in September.  That&#039;s not his responsibility.  He won, now all teachers illegally &quot;excessed&quot; get their jobs back but we&#039;ll see after the city&#039;s appeal is thrown out just how many of these illegally excessed teachers are thrown under the bus and what he does in September when they all suddenly get U rated lessons just like the union did little when statistically it can be seen that the number of U rated lessons and teachers has risen dramtically and the union hasn&#039;t said a word.  To think for one second this union is first and foremost interested in protecting its members from the slime running the DOE is hard to accept.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did it happen?  Because your union gave up the excessing rules and the stipulation that excessed teachers be automatically assigned to openings first within the district but then city wide in the last contract to satisfy Joel Klein&#8217;s (or Michael Bloomberg&#8217;s same difference) demands that Principals be given complete autonomy to choose their staffs as is done in business and Randi Weingarten gave in (obstensibly in exhcnage for a raise but also as it sounds good and she didn&#8217;t want to be pained as being opposed to reforming a failing system.  Another example of throwing union members under the bus.  What about what they did to tenure last year; thousands of teachers denied tenure for no reason at all.  Did they at least try to fight it under the principle of past practices, an important part of union bargaining rights?  No because after all if you&#8217;re opposed to tenure reform, you&#8217;re for the status quo and we can&#8217;t have that.</p>
<p>Now they won the arbitration.  It is not clear their hearts were ever in it.  I didn&#8217;t hear a peep from the union when thousands of teachers for no reason were illegally, as the arbitrator has found, were let go.  Now Mulgrew wants to meet with these people to set up a way to make sure the schools are up and running in September.  That&#8217;s not his responsibility.  He won, now all teachers illegally &#8220;excessed&#8221; get their jobs back but we&#8217;ll see after the city&#8217;s appeal is thrown out just how many of these illegally excessed teachers are thrown under the bus and what he does in September when they all suddenly get U rated lessons just like the union did little when statistically it can be seen that the number of U rated lessons and teachers has risen dramtically and the union hasn&#8217;t said a word.  To think for one second this union is first and foremost interested in protecting its members from the slime running the DOE is hard to accept.</p>
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		<title>By: Unfairly blaming the teachers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unfairly blaming the teachers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 05:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ You are so right, &quot;someone who cares&quot;!!!  I know someone who taught in the &quot;Transfer High Schools,&quot; who was suddenly, after years of devoted, hardworking, well- rated service, given &quot;u&quot; ratings for two years for absolutely no reason, just because the principal wanted to stop offering the subject this teacher taught -- one of the more difficult subjects. (The teacher has not been replaced at that school; the subject is no longer taught at that school!)

In the subject taught by this teacher, this teacher had the best outcomes (Regents scores) of the entire Transfer High Schools program in their borough -- maybe even in all five boroughs. Mind you, it was still a pretty low Regents passing rate, but it was the best any teacher had managed to produce.  

Talk about blaming the teacher unfairly!  Perhaps the Transfer Schools were being unrealistic in offering this subject at all.  This teacher was such a good influence on the kids, who truly looked up to this individual, and they were learning -- even the ones who were not &quot;Regents scholars&quot; still would come back to visit and some even reported going on to take more of this subject in CUNY and the Community Colleges, and they thanked this teacher for getting them started in learning this subject.

This teacher survived the 3020a  process, thank God, but will nevertheless probably end up in the ATR pool, at best. But with 2 &quot;U&quot; ratings and more than 10 years&#039; service, who&#039;s going to offer this teacher a job?  If it&#039;s not the &quot;U&quot; ratings, it&#039;ll be that this teacher makes too much money for a principal to want to hire them.  

How did it come to pass that excessed (aka &quot;ATRs&quot;) don&#039;t still get preference and first option when an opening occurs?  How did the DOE become a system that cant even assign a teacher to a school?????

It&#039;s criminal!  This all could have been avoided if the DOE was set up to simply reassign this teacher to a school that wanted to still offer that subject.  This is a successful, excellent teacher with valuable experience in an especially challenging student population, who was merely put through the mill on trumped-up charges that the 3020a process vindicated!

But this teacher&#039;s career is still likely ruined.  And, more important than that, yet another excellent teacher will be withheld from the students who need as many good teachers as they can get.

This country&#039;s public education system is down the tubes, and I don&#039;t understand why the public is not more aware of this scandal, which is eating up more tax dollars than ever!!!!

I could go on and on even more....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> You are so right, &#8220;someone who cares&#8221;!!!  I know someone who taught in the &#8220;Transfer High Schools,&#8221; who was suddenly, after years of devoted, hardworking, well- rated service, given &#8220;u&#8221; ratings for two years for absolutely no reason, just because the principal wanted to stop offering the subject this teacher taught &#8212; one of the more difficult subjects. (The teacher has not been replaced at that school; the subject is no longer taught at that school!)</p>
<p>In the subject taught by this teacher, this teacher had the best outcomes (Regents scores) of the entire Transfer High Schools program in their borough &#8212; maybe even in all five boroughs. Mind you, it was still a pretty low Regents passing rate, but it was the best any teacher had managed to produce.  </p>
<p>Talk about blaming the teacher unfairly!  Perhaps the Transfer Schools were being unrealistic in offering this subject at all.  This teacher was such a good influence on the kids, who truly looked up to this individual, and they were learning &#8212; even the ones who were not &#8220;Regents scholars&#8221; still would come back to visit and some even reported going on to take more of this subject in CUNY and the Community Colleges, and they thanked this teacher for getting them started in learning this subject.</p>
<p>This teacher survived the 3020a  process, thank God, but will nevertheless probably end up in the ATR pool, at best. But with 2 &#8220;U&#8221; ratings and more than 10 years&#8217; service, who&#8217;s going to offer this teacher a job?  If it&#8217;s not the &#8220;U&#8221; ratings, it&#8217;ll be that this teacher makes too much money for a principal to want to hire them.  </p>
<p>How did it come to pass that excessed (aka &#8220;ATRs&#8221;) don&#8217;t still get preference and first option when an opening occurs?  How did the DOE become a system that cant even assign a teacher to a school?????</p>
<p>It&#8217;s criminal!  This all could have been avoided if the DOE was set up to simply reassign this teacher to a school that wanted to still offer that subject.  This is a successful, excellent teacher with valuable experience in an especially challenging student population, who was merely put through the mill on trumped-up charges that the 3020a process vindicated!</p>
<p>But this teacher&#8217;s career is still likely ruined.  And, more important than that, yet another excellent teacher will be withheld from the students who need as many good teachers as they can get.</p>
<p>This country&#8217;s public education system is down the tubes, and I don&#8217;t understand why the public is not more aware of this scandal, which is eating up more tax dollars than ever!!!!</p>
<p>I could go on and on even more&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patrick Sullivan is one of the few dissenting voters (real voters) on the PEP. He&#039;s incredibly helpful, AND will keep tabs on a school situation years after you reach out to him. Very devoted, listens carefully and fights hard. Just didn&#039;t want to leave him characterized as &quot;on the PEP&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick Sullivan is one of the few dissenting voters (real voters) on the PEP. He&#8217;s incredibly helpful, AND will keep tabs on a school situation years after you reach out to him. Very devoted, listens carefully and fights hard. Just didn&#8217;t want to leave him characterized as &#8220;on the PEP&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Future ATR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Future ATR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ BK is right.  The U.F.T. sent one representative (who was a half step above useless) on three different occasions.  When I emailed the U.F.T. for help or advice I didn&#039;t even get a response- heck I did get a response from Patrick Sullivan who everyone knows is a P.E.P. member, and he was much more helpful.  Mulgrew never stepped foot in my school or I&#039;m sure, any of the other turnaround schools.  The people in these schools have been left without support the whole time.  It took the union forever to file the grievance and their delay allowed the process to continue and teachers had to go through this horrible process.  Now that Bloomberg is ignoring the arbitrator, you still don&#039;t hear anything from the U.F.T.  But weren&#039;t they the first ones to celebrate their &quot;victory&quot; when the arbitrator sided with the unions.  Wait until there are thousands of A.T.R.&#039;s again.  Bloomberg has complete control over the system and he will always win the war against public school teachers.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> BK is right.  The U.F.T. sent one representative (who was a half step above useless) on three different occasions.  When I emailed the U.F.T. for help or advice I didn&#8217;t even get a response- heck I did get a response from Patrick Sullivan who everyone knows is a P.E.P. member, and he was much more helpful.  Mulgrew never stepped foot in my school or I&#8217;m sure, any of the other turnaround schools.  The people in these schools have been left without support the whole time.  It took the union forever to file the grievance and their delay allowed the process to continue and teachers had to go through this horrible process.  Now that Bloomberg is ignoring the arbitrator, you still don&#8217;t hear anything from the U.F.T.  But weren&#8217;t they the first ones to celebrate their &#8220;victory&#8221; when the arbitrator sided with the unions.  Wait until there are thousands of A.T.R.&#8217;s again.  Bloomberg has complete control over the system and he will always win the war against public school teachers.  </p>
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		<title>By: burned</title>
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		<dc:creator>burned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 12:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Astraka is right to point out that the problem lies with the UFT membership as well as with the leadership.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astraka is right to point out that the problem lies with the UFT membership as well as with the leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Manhattan70</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manhattan70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 12:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only organizations that are more corrupt than the UFT is the DOE and the Bonanno Crime Family.  Open your eyes. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only organizations that are more corrupt than the UFT is the DOE and the Bonanno Crime Family.  Open your eyes. </p>
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		<title>By: Roxanascott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roxanascott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 12:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a shame that politics uses the power to ruin the 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.saltercollege.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; education system
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 instead of supporting it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame that politics uses the power to ruin the </p>
<p><a href="http://blog.saltercollege.com/" rel="nofollow"> education system<br />
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<p> instead of supporting it. </p>
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