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		<title>By: scooter</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2012/06/07/researcher-gentrification-can-turn-into-school-integration/comment-page-1/#comment-376318</link>
		<dc:creator>scooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our hood has been gentrifying for more than a decade and both elementary schools in the area were led by principals who were openly hostile to the newer families. Many families (ours included) felt unwelcome, and most were in effect driven out by the principals who intensified distrust among parents of different social classes. Interestingly, both principals were eventually replaced by leaders who worked hard to get beyond this conflict, and earn trust from parents.  Gentrification is rough on neighborhood schools, and it takes principals who work hard to build cooperation among parents and are careful to listen to a variety of points of view while maintaining a strong philosophy about education to make those schools work for everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our hood has been gentrifying for more than a decade and both elementary schools in the area were led by principals who were openly hostile to the newer families. Many families (ours included) felt unwelcome, and most were in effect driven out by the principals who intensified distrust among parents of different social classes. Interestingly, both principals were eventually replaced by leaders who worked hard to get beyond this conflict, and earn trust from parents.  Gentrification is rough on neighborhood schools, and it takes principals who work hard to build cooperation among parents and are careful to listen to a variety of points of view while maintaining a strong philosophy about education to make those schools work for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Stillman</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2012/06/07/researcher-gentrification-can-turn-into-school-integration/comment-page-1/#comment-373270</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Stillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that it is difficult for any school to be genuinely
progressive (I say this as a teacher who knows the challenge of executing one’s
philosophy within the constraints of reality), and what I found interesting in
my research is how important perceptions are. A school’s pedagogy could be
progressive, but if the school’s culture seemed authoritarian, usually because
of the seeming strictness and perceived yelling of adults (teachers,
administrators, other parents),the white, middle-class parents I interviewed were
turned off, regardless of what was actually happening in the classrooms
instructionally. They often never got past culture to really examine
pedagogy.  But if the culture seemed
warm, welcoming, and student-centered, parents felt good about choosing that
school for their child, and likewise didn’t scrutinize pedagogy. 



“Progressive education”, in NYC, is a phrase that markets middle-class
values.  Schools with a plurality of
white, middle-class families easily send that message to other white,
middle-class families.  “If all of those
parents like me are choosing that school, that school must be doing what I
value.” Conversely, “Schools without a lot of parents like me must not be doing
what I value.”  It is hard for schools to
change the message if the demographics haven’t also changed. New schools have
the advantage of telling their story the way they want to tell it, as yet
untainted by a demographic mix and what that might say.  If they tell it well, they will have a
self-fulfilling prophecy. Citizens of the World obviously has that advantage.
It is the blank slate aspect of new charter schools that makes it easier for
them to possibly attract a diverse group.  Most NYC charter schools have NOT used the
blank slate to try and attract a  diverse student body. This is where Tapestry is different.  This is where I see the potential.  Change is hard. So if diversity can be
achieved without the struggle, why not explore those options? 



I can’t speak to the motivations of Tapestry.  They seem genuinely interested in the idea of
creating diverse schools, not schools just for white students, but I am not
them.  I think the breakdown in the
conversation starts to occur when people can’t really agree on what diversity
means.   In most parts of our country, if a school was
45% non-white, that would be considered extremely diverse, and a real victory
for integration advocates. In NYC, however, these numbers can signal cause for
alarm, because of city demographics, because of political struggles, because of
a complex racial history. Community Roots, for example, a charter school with roughly 30%
white enrollment, was labeled in the press last year as “a special school for
white children,” by a local pastor. A school with a 70% non-white student
population, to this pastor, is a white school. 
These widely varied perceptions of diversity complicate even talking
about the issues. 



I would be happy to share more with you about Urban
Education Cooperatives. Feel free to contact me at jenniferstillman@gmail.com, and I
will share an excerpt from my book on that idea.  Though I hope you’ll pick up a copy of the
whole thing when it comes out in August so you can read about UECs within the
entire context of my findings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it is difficult for any school to be genuinely<br />
progressive (I say this as a teacher who knows the challenge of executing one’s<br />
philosophy within the constraints of reality), and what I found interesting in<br />
my research is how important perceptions are. A school’s pedagogy could be<br />
progressive, but if the school’s culture seemed authoritarian, usually because<br />
of the seeming strictness and perceived yelling of adults (teachers,<br />
administrators, other parents),the white, middle-class parents I interviewed were<br />
turned off, regardless of what was actually happening in the classrooms<br />
instructionally. They often never got past culture to really examine<br />
pedagogy.  But if the culture seemed<br />
warm, welcoming, and student-centered, parents felt good about choosing that<br />
school for their child, and likewise didn’t scrutinize pedagogy. </p>
<p>“Progressive education”, in NYC, is a phrase that markets middle-class<br />
values.  Schools with a plurality of<br />
white, middle-class families easily send that message to other white,<br />
middle-class families.  “If all of those<br />
parents like me are choosing that school, that school must be doing what I<br />
value.” Conversely, “Schools without a lot of parents like me must not be doing<br />
what I value.”  It is hard for schools to<br />
change the message if the demographics haven’t also changed. New schools have<br />
the advantage of telling their story the way they want to tell it, as yet<br />
untainted by a demographic mix and what that might say.  If they tell it well, they will have a<br />
self-fulfilling prophecy. Citizens of the World obviously has that advantage.<br />
It is the blank slate aspect of new charter schools that makes it easier for<br />
them to possibly attract a diverse group.  Most NYC charter schools have NOT used the<br />
blank slate to try and attract a  diverse student body. This is where Tapestry is different.  This is where I see the potential.  Change is hard. So if diversity can be<br />
achieved without the struggle, why not explore those options? </p>
<p>I can’t speak to the motivations of Tapestry.  They seem genuinely interested in the idea of<br />
creating diverse schools, not schools just for white students, but I am not<br />
them.  I think the breakdown in the<br />
conversation starts to occur when people can’t really agree on what diversity<br />
means.   In most parts of our country, if a school was<br />
45% non-white, that would be considered extremely diverse, and a real victory<br />
for integration advocates. In NYC, however, these numbers can signal cause for<br />
alarm, because of city demographics, because of political struggles, because of<br />
a complex racial history. Community Roots, for example, a charter school with roughly 30%<br />
white enrollment, was labeled in the press last year as “a special school for<br />
white children,” by a local pastor. A school with a 70% non-white student<br />
population, to this pastor, is a white school. <br />
These widely varied perceptions of diversity complicate even talking<br />
about the issues. </p>
<p>I would be happy to share more with you about Urban<br />
Education Cooperatives. Feel free to contact me at <a href="mailto:jenniferstillman@gmail.com">jenniferstillman@gmail.com</a>, and I<br />
will share an excerpt from my book on that idea.  Though I hope you’ll pick up a copy of the<br />
whole thing when it comes out in August so you can read about UECs within the<br />
entire context of my findings.</p>
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		<title>By: WAGPOPS!</title>
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		<dc:creator>WAGPOPS!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Notably, the charter schools that Tapestry promotes are not more progressive than the neighboring public schools. Citizens of the World hijacked a lot of the language of progressive education in their marketing, but their schools are actually more traditional and conservative than our neighborhood schools with less opportunities for genuine parent engagement. One of the biggest ironies of Tapestry is that Eric Grannis is a founder of Girls Prep, a  school that progressive educators find anathema to their ideals of progressive education, however varied.  Tapestry just wants to open charter schools in North Brooklyn - any type of charter schools - and as many as they possibly can. 

NO school can be genuinely progressive under the current administration (city, state, and federal). Unpacking what is meant by &quot;progressive&quot; would be very helpful. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notably, the charter schools that Tapestry promotes are not more progressive than the neighboring public schools. Citizens of the World hijacked a lot of the language of progressive education in their marketing, but their schools are actually more traditional and conservative than our neighborhood schools with less opportunities for genuine parent engagement. One of the biggest ironies of Tapestry is that Eric Grannis is a founder of Girls Prep, a  school that progressive educators find anathema to their ideals of progressive education, however varied.  Tapestry just wants to open charter schools in North Brooklyn &#8211; any type of charter schools &#8211; and as many as they possibly can. </p>
<p>NO school can be genuinely progressive under the current administration (city, state, and federal). Unpacking what is meant by &#8220;progressive&#8221; would be very helpful. </p>
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		<title>By: WAGPOPS!</title>
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		<dc:creator>WAGPOPS!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re idea of UECs is very interesting and we&#039;d really like to hear more about it.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re idea of UECs is very interesting and we&#8217;d really like to hear more about it.  </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Stillman</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2012/06/07/researcher-gentrification-can-turn-into-school-integration/comment-page-1/#comment-373264</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Stillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate your comments, and found your critique of the Citizens
of the World charter proposal very well argued. 
I don’t think there are any easy ways to create more integrated schools
in our city, and my hope that the
Tapestry Project has potential does
not mean that I think they are some sort of silver bullet.  Obviously any path to increasing school diversity
will face hurdles. I use the word “potential” quite intentionally, because I
have no idea what will happen when Tapestry actually tries to recruit a diverse
group of families to its lotteries.  If, as
you say, both the white and Latino community are rejecting these schools, then
they clearly won’t succeed.  But I don’t
think this needs to be a zero sum game.  Middle-class
parents will continue to send their children to the neighborhood schools you
describe if they are happy, and new schools won’t necessarily take those
families, but will attract other families who may have moved to the suburbs
instead of trying out one of the existing neighborhood schools.  

While conducting research, I found many
different types of “gentry parents,” and they all had different thresholds for
what was good enough.  It sounds like
some of the schools in your neighborhood are thriving with the “Innovators”
and “Early Adopters&quot; (as I call them), but these schools may not yet have become progressive enough for the “Early and Late Majority,” and
they may or may not. Every school is different.   With more neighborhood options, more families
may opt in.  This would create additional
middle-class families to fill spots at all of the competing schools,
and wouldn’t necessarily take some from one school to fill another.  But, these dynamics aren’t always known until
things play out.  It may lead, in the aggregate, to greater segregation, as you
fear, or greater integration.  I don’t
know what will happen.  I just have hopes that it will be the latter based on my
research.
   


Charter schools are not my first policy recommendation, however,
because I share your belief that there is a lot of integration possibility in
under-enrolled neighborhood public schools. I propose something I call Urban
Education Cooperatives (UECs), which would serve the need you describe in your critique:
bringing families interested in diversity to under-enrolled neighborhood schools.   Zone lines
can make it hard for critical mass to form in any one school, as can the fact
that most elementary schools have many sections of each grade. UECs would  guarantee families who participate in the UEC
process (discussions around what is important in a school, meetings with
various principals and parent leaders, etc.),  that they will be guaranteed to be in the same
classroom with other UEC member families. 
This would give interested parents the same guarantee they get when they choose
G&amp;T programs without instilling a blatant hierarchy in the school.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your comments, and found your critique of the Citizens<br />
of the World charter proposal very well argued. <br />
I don’t think there are any easy ways to create more integrated schools<br />
in our city, and my hope that the<br />
Tapestry Project has potential does<br />
not mean that I think they are some sort of silver bullet.  Obviously any path to increasing school diversity<br />
will face hurdles. I use the word “potential” quite intentionally, because I<br />
have no idea what will happen when Tapestry actually tries to recruit a diverse<br />
group of families to its lotteries.  If, as<br />
you say, both the white and Latino community are rejecting these schools, then<br />
they clearly won’t succeed.  But I don’t<br />
think this needs to be a zero sum game.  Middle-class<br />
parents will continue to send their children to the neighborhood schools you<br />
describe if they are happy, and new schools won’t necessarily take those<br />
families, but will attract other families who may have moved to the suburbs<br />
instead of trying out one of the existing neighborhood schools.  </p>
<p>While conducting research, I found many<br />
different types of “gentry parents,” and they all had different thresholds for<br />
what was good enough.  It sounds like<br />
some of the schools in your neighborhood are thriving with the “Innovators”<br />
and “Early Adopters&#8221; (as I call them), but these schools may not yet have become progressive enough for the “Early and Late Majority,” and<br />
they may or may not. Every school is different.   With more neighborhood options, more families<br />
may opt in.  This would create additional<br />
middle-class families to fill spots at all of the competing schools,<br />
and wouldn’t necessarily take some from one school to fill another.  But, these dynamics aren’t always known until<br />
things play out.  It may lead, in the aggregate, to greater segregation, as you<br />
fear, or greater integration.  I don’t<br />
know what will happen.  I just have hopes that it will be the latter based on my<br />
research.<br />
   </p>
<p>Charter schools are not my first policy recommendation, however,<br />
because I share your belief that there is a lot of integration possibility in<br />
under-enrolled neighborhood public schools. I propose something I call Urban<br />
Education Cooperatives (UECs), which would serve the need you describe in your critique:<br />
bringing families interested in diversity to under-enrolled neighborhood schools.   Zone lines<br />
can make it hard for critical mass to form in any one school, as can the fact<br />
that most elementary schools have many sections of each grade. UECs would  guarantee families who participate in the UEC<br />
process (discussions around what is important in a school, meetings with<br />
various principals and parent leaders, etc.),  that they will be guaranteed to be in the same<br />
classroom with other UEC member families. <br />
This would give interested parents the same guarantee they get when they choose<br />
G&amp;T programs without instilling a blatant hierarchy in the school.  </p>
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		<title>By: WAGPOPS!</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2012/06/07/researcher-gentrification-can-turn-into-school-integration/comment-page-1/#comment-373259</link>
		<dc:creator>WAGPOPS!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oops.  Meant &quot;Creating these two charter schools will serve to REsegregate our public schools&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops.  Meant &#8220;Creating these two charter schools will serve to REsegregate our public schools&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: WAGPOPS!</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2012/06/07/researcher-gentrification-can-turn-into-school-integration/comment-page-1/#comment-373258</link>
		<dc:creator>WAGPOPS!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it curious that you don&#039;t mention magnet grants.  The UCLA Civil Rights project believes that magnet grants are a more sustainable and equitable model than charter schools, particularly when it comes to diversity.

I also think that you should investigate Tapestry Project a little further before you describe them as a potential for integration.  Tapestry has been pushing two charter school proposals that have been thoroughly rejected by both the white middle class and latino community (ironic, for your arguments that we have diversity in our fight against charter schools supposedly designed to address diversity). Not sure exactly where you would put Williamsburg in your phases of diversity/integration, but a lot of what you discussed is certainly echoed in the recent history of many of our public schools in the gentrified areas.

Citizens of the World, the charter schools they propose, are coming to the gentrified areas for precisely the reasons you describe.  However, they are grossly manipulating our data to claim that they are necessary. They are using the diversity statistics of our district as a whole (55% white), comparing them to our school-wide statistics (8%white) and claiming the that we need to create schools that are 55% white.  The district wide statistics ignore some VERY important factors: a substantial Hassidic Jewish population that don&#039;t make use of our public schools, white people who do not have children, and the fact that we have a district with wide swaths of un-gentrified areas that suffer from racial and socio-economic isolation.  Creating these two schools will serve, not to diversity our public schools, but to desegregate them.  

You can read our critique of these schools here:  http://www.scribd.com/gemnyc/d/94382088-WAGPOPS-Letter-to-Suny-Opposing-Citizens-of-the-World-Charter-Schools]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it curious that you don&#8217;t mention magnet grants.  The UCLA Civil Rights project believes that magnet grants are a more sustainable and equitable model than charter schools, particularly when it comes to diversity.</p>
<p>I also think that you should investigate Tapestry Project a little further before you describe them as a potential for integration.  Tapestry has been pushing two charter school proposals that have been thoroughly rejected by both the white middle class and latino community (ironic, for your arguments that we have diversity in our fight against charter schools supposedly designed to address diversity). Not sure exactly where you would put Williamsburg in your phases of diversity/integration, but a lot of what you discussed is certainly echoed in the recent history of many of our public schools in the gentrified areas.</p>
<p>Citizens of the World, the charter schools they propose, are coming to the gentrified areas for precisely the reasons you describe.  However, they are grossly manipulating our data to claim that they are necessary. They are using the diversity statistics of our district as a whole (55% white), comparing them to our school-wide statistics (8%white) and claiming the that we need to create schools that are 55% white.  The district wide statistics ignore some VERY important factors: a substantial Hassidic Jewish population that don&#8217;t make use of our public schools, white people who do not have children, and the fact that we have a district with wide swaths of un-gentrified areas that suffer from racial and socio-economic isolation.  Creating these two schools will serve, not to diversity our public schools, but to desegregate them.  </p>
<p>You can read our critique of these schools here:  http://www.scribd.com/gemnyc/d/94382088-WAGPOPS-Letter-to-Suny-Opposing-Citizens-of-the-World-Charter-Schools</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Stillman</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2012/06/07/researcher-gentrification-can-turn-into-school-integration/comment-page-1/#comment-373251</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Stillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 03:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You bring up two important issues. First, it is imperative
that a principal adjust the school to meet at least some of the preferences of the white,
middle-class parents if the school is ever going to actually diversify. If the principal doesn’t, the school is unlikely to integrate. In my research, I found
that many gentry parents were willing to try their neighborhood school, despite
being a super-minority, but many of them then left because the school didn’t
meet their preferences for a more progressive pedagogy, or offended their
sensibilities (they described lots of adults yelling at children), and thus
some schools were stuck in early stages of integration, never quite retaining
enough of the white, middle-class families to become diverse schools.  Some even reverted back to segregation.  I wouldn’t agree with your characterization
that the gentry’s children are &quot;getting served first and best,&quot; just that their ideas for what a good education looks like are being given adequate play
time, so that they&#039;ll stay. In some schools, changes made by the principal were as simple as allowing
parents to drop their children off in the classroom.  Culture is a collection of the little things.
 

The second issue you raise is one I
cannot adequately address and is something I struggle with. As a classroom educator, my
training left me convinced that progressive, student-centered methods are best.
And I know I want that for my own children. And I can’t help but think that
what I want for my own children is what I should want for all children. But
others have argued for the value of a more authoritarian style of pedagogy in certain
circumstances, most notably Lisa Delpit in “Other People’s Children.”  All kids learn differently, of course, but I&#039;m not convinced that breaks down along race and class line. 

I think during a school&#039;s integration process, all voices
should be heard, and what a school comes to look like should evolve through a
democratic process. Middle-class families tend to dominate this type of
discourse, because they are typically more heavily involved in their children&#039;s schools, and that further complicates the issue, but I don’t know what the
alternative is.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You bring up two important issues. First, it is imperative<br />
that a principal adjust the school to meet at least some of the preferences of the white,<br />
middle-class parents if the school is ever going to actually diversify. If the principal doesn’t, the school is unlikely to integrate. In my research, I found<br />
that many gentry parents were willing to try their neighborhood school, despite<br />
being a super-minority, but many of them then left because the school didn’t<br />
meet their preferences for a more progressive pedagogy, or offended their<br />
sensibilities (they described lots of adults yelling at children), and thus<br />
some schools were stuck in early stages of integration, never quite retaining<br />
enough of the white, middle-class families to become diverse schools.  Some even reverted back to segregation.  I wouldn’t agree with your characterization<br />
that the gentry’s children are &#8220;getting served first and best,&#8221; just that their ideas for what a good education looks like are being given adequate play<br />
time, so that they&#8217;ll stay. In some schools, changes made by the principal were as simple as allowing<br />
parents to drop their children off in the classroom.  Culture is a collection of the little things.<br />
 </p>
<p>The second issue you raise is one I<br />
cannot adequately address and is something I struggle with. As a classroom educator, my<br />
training left me convinced that progressive, student-centered methods are best.<br />
And I know I want that for my own children. And I can’t help but think that<br />
what I want for my own children is what I should want for all children. But<br />
others have argued for the value of a more authoritarian style of pedagogy in certain<br />
circumstances, most notably Lisa Delpit in “Other People’s Children.”  All kids learn differently, of course, but I&#8217;m not convinced that breaks down along race and class line. </p>
<p>I think during a school&#8217;s integration process, all voices<br />
should be heard, and what a school comes to look like should evolve through a<br />
democratic process. Middle-class families tend to dominate this type of<br />
discourse, because they are typically more heavily involved in their children&#8217;s schools, and that further complicates the issue, but I don’t know what the<br />
alternative is.   </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Stillman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Stillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also found that Pre-K was an important entry point for many of the parents I interviewed. But not to the extent that you describe. This is very interesting, and I plan to dig and learn more about the program you describe. Thanks.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also found that Pre-K was an important entry point for many of the parents I interviewed. But not to the extent that you describe. This is very interesting, and I plan to dig and learn more about the program you describe. Thanks.  </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Stillman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Stillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All of the schools in my study either reverted back to segregation, were stuck in an early stage of integration with a very small number of white, middle-class families in the school, or had become diverse schools, with white families rarely becoming the majority.   Public housing policies and rent control laws in NYC seem to help neighborhoods maintain a socio-economic mix, at least for awhile.  Laws in other cities may not be as effective.  But you raise an important question that most of my interviewees were concerned about and grappled with. There is no easy answer.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the schools in my study either reverted back to segregation, were stuck in an early stage of integration with a very small number of white, middle-class families in the school, or had become diverse schools, with white families rarely becoming the majority.   Public housing policies and rent control laws in NYC seem to help neighborhoods maintain a socio-economic mix, at least for awhile.  Laws in other cities may not be as effective.  But you raise an important question that most of my interviewees were concerned about and grappled with. There is no easy answer.  </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Stillman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Stillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I applaud public options for parents who would otherwise
leave the city, and charter schools are public schools.  Most white, middle-class parents won’t choose the poor, segregated
schools, for reasons I detail in my book . They will simply opt out.  And it isn’t just the white, middle-class parents who would  benefit from diverse charter schools. It is the non-white, poor children in our city who
are hurt the most by the persistence of mostly segregated public school options.  Diverse charter schools will not be white
schools. They will be diverse. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud public options for parents who would otherwise<br />
leave the city, and charter schools are public schools.  Most white, middle-class parents won’t choose the poor, segregated<br />
schools, for reasons I detail in my book . They will simply opt out.  And it isn’t just the white, middle-class parents who would  benefit from diverse charter schools. It is the non-white, poor children in our city who<br />
are hurt the most by the persistence of mostly segregated public school options.  Diverse charter schools will not be white<br />
schools. They will be diverse. </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Stillman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Stillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are definitely more than two, clear-cut philosophies
of education. I agree. However, while
interviewing gentry parents about their school choice process, I was able to
distill a typical gentry philosophy, which leaned progressive, and what they
perceived to be a more traditional philosophy of education occurring in most of
their neighborhood schools.  But yes,
this was only their perception, and I agree that more research is needed on the
non-gentry perspective. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are definitely more than two, clear-cut philosophies<br />
of education. I agree. However, while<br />
interviewing gentry parents about their school choice process, I was able to<br />
distill a typical gentry philosophy, which leaned progressive, and what they<br />
perceived to be a more traditional philosophy of education occurring in most of<br />
their neighborhood schools.  But yes,<br />
this was only their perception, and I agree that more research is needed on the<br />
non-gentry perspective. </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Stillman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Stillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A)    Thanks for your questions Stephen:
A) sA) The schools I studied were not already “quite diverse,” they were segregated school that, prior
to the entry of the gentry parents, had few to zero white, middle-class
students.  Numerous other education
researchers have established the benefits of integration, my goal was to figure
out how the integration process actually unfolds in gentrifying neighborhoods.                                                                          
       B) I learned that school leaders play a pivotal
role in creating the type of school environment where both types of parents feel like
they have a voice. It was a talent that not all principals possessed. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A)    Thanks for your questions Stephen:<br />
A) sA) The schools I studied were not already “quite diverse,” they were segregated school that, prior<br />
to the entry of the gentry parents, had few to zero white, middle-class<br />
students.  Numerous other education<br />
researchers have established the benefits of integration, my goal was to figure<br />
out how the integration process actually unfolds in gentrifying neighborhoods.                                                                          <br />
       B) I learned that school leaders play a pivotal<br />
role in creating the type of school environment where both types of parents feel like<br />
they have a voice. It was a talent that not all principals possessed. </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Stillman</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2012/06/07/researcher-gentrification-can-turn-into-school-integration/comment-page-1/#comment-373243</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Stillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My policy recommendations, including the suggestion that
charter schools be targeted in gentrifying neighborhoods (because they aren’t
constrained by zone lines and thus have a greater ability to attract a diverse
group of parents), were written long before I heard of the Tapestry
Project.  Integrating established public schools
in gentrifying neighborhoods is extremely challenging, as I document at length
in my forthcoming book.  New schools that
start as diverse avoid the sometimes painful and contentious process of
integration, while still achieving the end goal of meaningful social mixing
between disparate groups of people.  Charter schools have freedoms that traditional
public schools do not have. This freedom was meant for educators to experiment
with how to make schools better. Using this freedom to try and integrate
schools seems to me a worthy goal. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My policy recommendations, including the suggestion that<br />
charter schools be targeted in gentrifying neighborhoods (because they aren’t<br />
constrained by zone lines and thus have a greater ability to attract a diverse<br />
group of parents), were written long before I heard of the Tapestry<br />
Project.  Integrating established public schools<br />
in gentrifying neighborhoods is extremely challenging, as I document at length<br />
in my forthcoming book.  New schools that<br />
start as diverse avoid the sometimes painful and contentious process of<br />
integration, while still achieving the end goal of meaningful social mixing<br />
between disparate groups of people.  Charter schools have freedoms that traditional<br />
public schools do not have. This freedom was meant for educators to experiment<br />
with how to make schools better. Using this freedom to try and integrate<br />
schools seems to me a worthy goal. </p>
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		<title>By: Alex Freidus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Freidus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 23:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ When you write, &quot;a school that is in a neighborhood much further along in the 
gentrification process has a surrounding community much more accepting 
of school change, which gives the principal political room to adjust the
 school’s culture to better match the preferences of the gentry,&quot;  what I hear is that in a gentrifying school, it is the gentry&#039;s children that get served first and best. Why is it imperative that a principal adjust the school to meet the preferences of the dominant white, middle/upper-middle class culture? What happens to poor children and children of color who are not served well by the gentry&#039;s preferences?   Might they, in fact, be better served by a school that &quot;feels too traditional, too authoritarian in tone&quot; for the gentry?  I can accept your assumption that integrated schools benefit all students, but do they benefit them all equally? When and how do the preferences of the families and community originally served by the school get heard in this change process? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> When you write, &#8220;a school that is in a neighborhood much further along in the<br />
gentrification process has a surrounding community much more accepting<br />
of school change, which gives the principal political room to adjust the<br />
 school’s culture to better match the preferences of the gentry,&#8221;  what I hear is that in a gentrifying school, it is the gentry&#8217;s children that get served first and best. Why is it imperative that a principal adjust the school to meet the preferences of the dominant white, middle/upper-middle class culture? What happens to poor children and children of color who are not served well by the gentry&#8217;s preferences?   Might they, in fact, be better served by a school that &#8220;feels too traditional, too authoritarian in tone&#8221; for the gentry?  I can accept your assumption that integrated schools benefit all students, but do they benefit them all equally? When and how do the preferences of the families and community originally served by the school get heard in this change process? </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Lazar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Lazar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two questions:
A) What are the benefits of making such schools whiter (especially ones that are already quite diverse) beyond making gentry patents feel better about themselves for sending their children to diverse schools?
B) what have you learned about maintaining, or even expanding, the voices of non-gentry parents as schools diversify?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two questions:<br />
A) What are the benefits of making such schools whiter (especially ones that are already quite diverse) beyond making gentry patents feel better about themselves for sending their children to diverse schools?<br />
B) what have you learned about maintaining, or even expanding, the voices of non-gentry parents as schools diversify?</p>
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		<title>By: bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many neighborhoods in NYC that have maintained integration  once middle class populations moved in. I might add, this was done without resorting to hostile takeovers by charter schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many neighborhoods in NYC that have maintained integration  once middle class populations moved in. I might add, this was done without resorting to hostile takeovers by charter schools.</p>
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		<title>By: bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once the Tapestry Project/ Eric Grannis (hubby if Eva Moskowitz) the charter school entrepreneurs were touted by the author, it made me question the credibility and intention behind this &quot;research/book.&quot; The Grannis/Moskowitz charter kingdom is exploiting tax payers, and ruining good public schools. This hostile takeover of prime real estate has nothing to do with good education and everything to do with $$$$$$ and greed. This behind the scenes pernicious manipulation is truly despicable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once the Tapestry Project/ Eric Grannis (hubby if Eva Moskowitz) the charter school entrepreneurs were touted by the author, it made me question the credibility and intention behind this &#8220;research/book.&#8221; The Grannis/Moskowitz charter kingdom is exploiting tax payers, and ruining good public schools. This hostile takeover of prime real estate has nothing to do with good education and everything to do with $$$$$$ and greed. This behind the scenes pernicious manipulation is truly despicable.</p>
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		<title>By: Pconrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pconrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aren&#039;t there some unexamined assumptions here? 
For Dr. Stillman&#039;s interviewees the ideal principal is one who can &quot;skillfully facilitate the integration of two disparate parenting and school philosophies under one roof.&quot; 
But are there are really just two possible philosophies? Maybe interviews with some non-middle class, non-white parents would have revealed a range of philosophies of parenting and schooling. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t there some unexamined assumptions here?<br />
For Dr. Stillman&#8217;s interviewees the ideal principal is one who can &#8220;skillfully facilitate the integration of two disparate parenting and school philosophies under one roof.&#8221;<br />
But are there are really just two possible philosophies? Maybe interviews with some non-middle class, non-white parents would have revealed a range of philosophies of parenting and schooling. </p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It sounds like the Tapestry Project wants to grab the white kids before they find their way to the public schools.  Then parents will then have a choice between a racially and economically diverse charter schools or poor, segregated public schools.  I understand why they want to do this, but why would someone who works in the public school system applaud it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like the Tapestry Project wants to grab the white kids before they find their way to the public schools.  Then parents will then have a choice between a racially and economically diverse charter schools or poor, segregated public schools.  I understand why they want to do this, but why would someone who works in the public school system applaud it?</p>
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