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From Buffalo, a warning for local consensus on absent students

The city and teachers union aren’t anywhere close to settling on new teacher evaluations. But if and when they do strike a deal, they might have to revisit a point of agreement.

Leo Casey, a teachers union official, told me recently that before negotiations broke down in December, the city and UFT had agreed that only students with a minimum attendance rate should be counted in teachers’ scores. Exactly what that rate would be was still up for discussion, Casey said, but everyone agreed on the basic principle that if students aren’t in class to learn, it’s not fair to hold teachers responsible for their learning.

It’s an outlook that teachers at schools under threat of closure have shared over and over. At Washington Irving High School, teachers protesting the city’s ultimately successful closure proposal argued that the school would have much stronger performance data if  the city excluded the school’s many “long-term absences” from its progress report calculations.

It’s also a point that united Buffalo and its teachers union as they negotiated a new teacher evaluation system earlier this year for schools eligible for School Improvement Grants. In February, they settled on a system that would exclude chronically absent students from the student growth portion of evaluations.

But the State Education Department rejected that portion of their compromise. In the rejection letter, Education Commissioner John King explained that Buffalo’s evaluation system would have applied the attendance provision to the 20 percent of evaluations that the state controls, and that’s not allowed. But another problem, he wrote, was that the provision could be abused.

“To the extent your district wishes to construct a submission that takes attendance into account as part of its locally-developed measures subcomponent, you must submit evidence that such a control will be rigorous, transparent and equitable,” King wrote.

The rejection set off a firestorm in which a point of agreement nearly turned into a point of impasse when Buffalo’s teachers union voted to preserve the student attendance component. Last week, Buffalo submitted an eleventh-hour new plan to the state that included a provision to scale back performance goals in schools with higher-than-average absenteeism. That agreement was also rejected, but for other reasons.

In New York City, both the city and the union wanted to guard against unintended consequences from the start, Casey said. They worried that knowing the performance of students who missed 10 days in a semester wouldn’t count in their rating might make teachers more likely to write off those students early in the year. That would leave students in special need of extra support without an incentive to be given it, he said.

So the city and UFT were prepared to figure out how to offer bonus points to teachers whose students moved ahead despite frequent absences. Under the agreement, Casey said, improved performance by frequently absent students would be a boon to their teacher’s evaluations, but poor performance wouldn’t hurt them.

City officials declined to comment on the issue but did not contest Casey’s characterization of discussions.

The issue of how to handle chronically absent students is unlikely to be a major obstacle for the city in the future. Negotiations over 33 schools receiving SIG grants ended in stalemate in December over the issue of appeals for low-rated teachers. The city and union struck a deal on that issue after Gov. Andrew Cuomo turned up the pressure on them, but negotiations over a citywide evaluation system have not gotten underway because the city is going forward with a plan to “turn around” SIG-eligible schools to avoid agreeing on new evaluations for them.

Cuomo has given districts until January 2013 to adopt new evaluations or risk forgoing increases in state school aid.

  • old teach

    How will the issue of credit recovery and other policies that allow for retesting and additional credit factor into the issue of attendance? Also, will seat-time be considered when students are eligible for state tests like the Regents examinations?

  • Larry Littlefield

    Makes no sense.  Teachers do half the work of teaching.  Parents and kids do the other half.  To evaluate teachers, the work done by parents and kids needs to be evaluated.

    I would not only adjust for attendance, but also for homework done and not done.  Of course I would also want teachers to disclose the homework assigned and corrected, to see how much work they are doing.

    BTW, when the parent coordinator position was announced I thought it’s purpose would be to aid and push parents in doing their part on education. That isn’t they way it worked out.

  • Ken Hirsh

    Most charter schools that I have followed have an active policy to minimize absenteeism.  This system might, if anything, encourage the opposite.  

    As usual, I favor a system based on human judgment.  I just view this as another tragic/comic byproduct of the general approach of eliminating human judgment in favor of rules.   

  • Mike

    What about kids who come to class high?  I have one like that and don’t think I should be responsible for his lack of progress.

    I’m not sure what Casey’s concern is regarding students’ being written off.  Students who are frequently absent don’t need extra support from teachers, they need extra support from counselors, social workers, and/or truant officers.

    Furthermore, the progress reports, by awarding points for credit accumulation, already have us writing off students.  Years ago, I used to try to move every student forward.  That meant getting convincing truants to come to class more often even if they didn’t have much chance of passing, and getting the hardcore failures to do at least a little bit of homework or perform at least a little better in class.  In recent years, however, I’ve found myself putting all my extra effort into the kids on the border between passing and failing.  Those are the ones who need to pass if my school is to stay open.  Years ago I didn’t think it was a big deal if some of them had to learn their lesson by repeating the class. There’s no incentive to help the most difficult cases and way too much pressure to increase the number of passing grades.

  • Mike

    I have a ninth-grader who is failing my class.  I checked her transcript and found that she has failed every class she has taken this year, including gym.  However, she does own the very latest i-phone which I doubt she pays for herself.  Her mother promised me she would attend parent-teacher conferences, but I wasn’t surprised not to see her.  Yet the city wants to blame me for her lack of progress even though my students will tell you I’m a hard-working, demanding, and effective teacher.

    I like your idea of adjusting for homework not done. 

  • Nycdoenuts

    I have to say; most government monopoly schools have a policy to reduce absenteeism that is quite active as well!

  • http://nyceducator.com/ NYC Educator

     I find myself agreeing with you to a large extent, but feeling it largely depends on which of said humans exercise said judgment. I think there is an anti-human agenda at work here, actively promoted by places like the Leadership Academy. I don’t think, for example, you can substitute coursework for ten years of teching experience.

    And sorry, but there are crazy principals out there who give teachers unsatisfactory ratings for largely personal reasons. Friend of mine had to go to court to get a u-rating reversed. We ought to have a better system than that.

  • Pogue

    A true sign that the NYCDOE wants nothing to do with their own accountability, is a lack of a citywide attendance policy.

    For all the high-paid superintendents, and deputy chancellors, and network consultants, they continue to hide behind teachers when it comes to taking some responsibility and come up with a productive educational plan.

    End Mayoral Control.

  • Ken Hirsh

    Agreed.  As I see it, a major storyline in the history of public education has been:

    1. Some school leaders commit incompetent/unfair/corrupt actions.
    2. The union negotiates rules with the intention of preventing these actions.
    3. In the process, the rules make it difficult or impossible for capable and honest school leaders to do a good job.

    I think we should get rid of most of the rules and focus on creating (or, in my preferred world, to allow for the creation of) well-managed schools.

    Instead, we add layers upon layers of new rules to solve the shortcomings of the prior attempts.  

  • http://nyceducator.com/ NYC Educator

     Hi Ken,

    I work in a well-managed school. I don’t agree the rules preclude a good job being done. Said rules are negotiated by both parties. We need rules, Ken. Otherwise, we’d have anarchy. And also, we’d have nothing to complain about, and how would we employ our resident NYC cynics under such a scenario?

  • Ken Hirsh

    Fair enough.  I don’t have a good answer to your question.

  • Vote NO!

    Counting   chronically   absent   students   would  be  detrimental  to  attracting  well  qualified  candidates  into  teaching.   This  new  evaluation  laws  is  already  too  punitive.  Having  teachers  held  responsible  for  a  students  who  do  not  attend   school   would  deviate  from  any  normal  component  in  employee  evaluations. 

    Would  we  hold  a  cardiologist  responsible  for  his  patient’s  heart  attack  if  the  patient  fails  to  follow  the  cardiologist’s  advice  about  changing  their  diet,  medication,   and  exercise?  Would  an  airline  pilot  be   held  responsible  for  “on  time  arrival”  if  a  snowstorm  prevented  the  plane  for  taking  off?  These  comparisons   are  analogous  to  a  teacher  being  held  accountable  for  chronically  absent  students.  It’s  obvious  that  these  new  “Race  to  the  Top”  inspired  evaluation  laws  are  only  designed  to  fire  as  many  teachers,  as  quickly  as  possible.  They’re  certainly  not  designed  to  encourage  capable  people   to  enter   the   teaching   profession.

  • Ex-charter teacher

    Yes, Ken – most charters have a policy on absenteeism. It is called “counseling out” the undesireable students. And do you imagine that public schools don’t have policies?

  • Michael Fiorillo

    Ken Hirsch,

    Please elaborate on how negotiating rules that prevent principals from committing “incompetent/unfair/corrupt actions” impedes able, fair and honest principals from doing their jobs. Without any specifics, it strikes me as a non-sequitur, and attempt to set up the UFT contract as a straw man for problems in the schools.

  • guest

    The LTA’s are a huge problem in NYC high schools.Unfortunately,these students are already attendance problems by the time they get to high school . Attendance needs to be addressed in the elementary and middle schools.
    The parents/guardians of these children need to be held responsible for the attendance issue at an early age to prevent this problem in the later years.BOTTOM LINE.
    I will never understand  how a child can miss so many days of school year after year.Are there unusual circumstances in some cases ?Of course.But, the reality is,that in a large number of these cases,the problem is the parent not getting the kid there .Then ,high school comes and the kid just doesn’t care.
    To hold staff responsible for this is ridiculous.There is no responsibility placed on the caretakers of these kids,other than the threat of ACS,which just doesn’t seem to matter to most of them.If you are responsible for a younger child and that kid is not in school,then lets cut whatever social service benefits the family may receive (barring the unusual circumstances,of course.In these cases let’s offer more help).If  they don’t receive social service benefits,then fine the parent/caretaker and let them know that the next step will be   a jail stay.
    There is no doubt in my mind that the children will get the education they need.They will be in school,they will not fall into the habit of thinking weeks of missing school is all right.They will want to be part of the school environment.
     I know everyone out there reading this knows the same thing.It’s just common sense.It is not possible that the people who make policies such as Bloomberg, Walcott and King do not know this as well.Such an easy solution that would cause a domino effect in the lives of these children if implemented early on.I guess it’s just to sensible and would not fit the agenda of the people in charge who truly could care less about the at risk students who are our neighbors and friends.

  • Ken Hirsh

    Hey Michael,

    Here are some rules that I found back in October (in response to a similar query) by randomly selecting a few pages (pages 14 through 17 to be exact) from the 165-page contract.  Really, I’d get rid of almost the entire thing, so, for me, a better question is “Which rules would you keep?”  (I’m not sure I could answer that one.)

    I’d also point out that charter schools and private schools with no contracts and unionized schools with thin contracts avoid anarchy despite the absence of a 165-page contract.  Also, I’m guessing that some schools thrive with the contract (or, as I imagine, despite the contract).  We should be thinking in terms of cost-benefit analyses, though, rather than proof by anecdote.  

    I’ll leave you the last word on this subject! 

    —————–

    “The school day for teachers serving in the schools shall be six hours and 20 minutes…”"The parties agreed… to extend the teacher work day… by an additional 37.5 minutes per day, Monday through Thursday following student dismissal… the day will end no later than 3:45pm.”"Existing faculty and grade conference time should be used for professional development.”"On professional development days, the school day shall be 6 hours and 50 minutes.”"In order to ensure that the maximum number of students is not exceeded there will be an expedited arbitration procedure to allow the UFT to seek both a cease and desist order as well as monetary penalties for exceeding the small group instruction size limit.  The procedure is set forth in Article 22B6 and 22G.”

    “No later than 60 days before the end of the term, program preference sheets should be distributed to all teachers.  Where advisable and feasible, preference with respect to subparagraphs a through g below will be honored to the extent consistent with the provisions of this Agreement relating to rotation and programming.”"The number of lesson preparations should be kept at the minimum consistent with the nature of the subject, the size of the department… and special requests of teachers.”"No later than the end of the next to the last school day of the term, teachers should receive their building programs for the following term, including the the periods and rooms where their teaching assignments occur.”

    “In the matters of teaching, special, honor, and modified classes the policy of rotation of qualified persons should be followed insofar as possible.  It is understood, however, that requests by teachers of industrial arts/technology education, home economics/home and career skills, and trade subjects to retain their shop subjects and rooms should be honored when not inconsistent with the needs of the school.  The following procedures will apply to shop openings:…”"Each spring the principal and UFT chapter committee shall meet to review the compensatory time positions in the school with the goal of agreeing upon the number of, responsibilities, qualifications, basis for selection and term for compensatory time positions in their school.”

  • http://nyceducator.com/ NYC Educator

     I support all of these rules. There is no rationale for allowing administrative pets to have plum jobs for things like washing the principal’s car or even the odd Thursday session at the Comfort Inn. There is no rationale for allowing small group instruction to be administered to hundreds. Nor is there a good rationale for denying teachers opportunities to teach what they love, and are therefore better at. Collaboration between admin and teachers is ideal, and ought to be required.

    I once transferred out of a school because an administrator was tired of a Spanish teacher who threw kids out. Because I don’t throw kids out, she told me I either had to teach all Spanish or take a schedule so late it would preclude my second job. I teach ESL, and I love to teach ESL. Though I’m certified to teach Spanish, my English is native and far better.

    If you want to drop the rules, you need to eliminate small-mnded, petty, stupid administrators. That’s a big job, since the Leadership Academy seems determined to produce as many as possible.

  • Michael Fiorillo

    Ken Hirsch,

    You include three paragraphs from the DOE/UFT contract, which you seem to feel prevent principals from doing a competent, fair and honest job. I’ll discuss them in order, after I address some points and assumptions embedded in your opening paragraphs.

    First, your reference to the (horrors!) ” 165-page contract is a channeling of the propaganda line about how the union contract hurts students. The length of the contract is a reflection of the complexities of teaching and running a school, and is intended to protect teachers and students from the realities of administrative overreach. 

    Second, charter and private schools avoid “anarchy” – a loaded term which implies that most public schools, as per the longstanding ed reform propaganda, are failing and chaotic –  by limiting enrollment to certain types of students, and removing those who cannot/will not conform to what in the most intensely hyped  and highly-capitalized chains (Success Academies, KIPP, Uncommon Schools) is a highly rigid, authoritarian school environment. Unlike charters, public schools do not have a (unwritten, but clear in practice) policy of keeping or weeding out the neediest kids. And on the labor relations front, charters fight assiduously (and sometimes viciously) to insure that they remain at-will workplaces, so that the realities of teachers lives do not create “anarchy,” aka an environment with some minimal restraints on administrative power.

    Now, to the contract provisions you referred to:

    1) This paragraph prevents principals from unilaterally extending the workday for teachers, and prevents them from turning extended time provisions into another full teaching class, with everything that follows from that (prepping, teaching, assessing, grading, etc.).

    Does your highlighting this mean that teachers should not have a set work day – even though the overwhelming majority of teachers work well past the formal end of the day, and take work home – and should be compelled to stay because of a Principal’s whims? Should a Principal be able to unilaterally insist that a teacher teach an extra class at the end of an already-demanding workday? Do you honestly think the DOE would not turn the extended time into a full class if it could?

    2) I’m glad you included the second provision, because it demonstrates how the union contract works in the interests of students, as well as teachers.

    This provision refers to a school administration’s obligation to give teachers advance notification of the classes they will be teaching in the upcoming year or semester. Don’t you think it’s helpful to students that their teachers have some advance notice of what they’ll be teaching, so they can prepare? Or would you prefer that your child’s teacher be told what classes they’ll be teaching the day before students arrive?

    It also attempts – and it’s only an attempt, because there are loopholes that allow principals to get around it – to limit how many preps a teacher will have. As a parent, which would you prefer for your high school-age child, all things being equal: that their English teacher have to write lessons and amass materials for a program that includes the teaching of four different levels (9-12), or is limited to two?

    I think the answer is obvious, and that’s the issue this provision addresses. Remember, it’s all about the kids, right?

    3) This provision is an attempt to give more opportunities for teachers to teach a variety of classes, and to prevent favoritism in the assigning of classes. It’s very simple and straightforward, and addresses a reality that contradicts the faith of market fundamentalists and those who insist on unlimited management authority: those in power sometimes play favorites, which has a demoralizing effect in a school, and can prevent students from 
    encountering different teachers and teaching styles.

    Please feel free to send along any other examples of how the evil teacher’s contract hurts kids; I’d be happy to refute them.

    Finally, I have some questions for you: how many Wall Street deals are transacted without contracts, or with “thin contracts” that ignore the range of actions and outcomes that might have an impact on the parties? If it’s a substantial number, what are companies paying all those high-priced lawyers over at Cravath, Swain and Moore for? How can there be a need for contracts when you’re doing “God’s work?”

    Or is it only teachers and other working people who should work without some (very basic) reciprocal rules?

  • Vote NO!

     Ken,

    Actually  all  3  paragraphs  are  more  “pro-student”   than you  would  imagine.  A  lot  of  the  contract  is  esoteric.  Michael  Fiorillo  is  correct  in  his  analysis.  Unfortunately,  the  stipluations  in  all   three  paragraphs   are  often  violated  with  little  if  any  consequences.

  • Ken Hirsh

    Thanks Michael for the great reply.  I think you do a good (and helpful to me) job of explaining the things these rules are trying to accomplish.  What they don’t address is how they could interfere with a good school leaders ability to operate a school most effectively.  It’s pretty easy to read the original text along with your helpful commentary to see how these rules could disrupt reasonable efforts to make the best decisions in running a given school.   I’d guess that most or all of the high-performing charter schools are violating several or all of the rules I listed.  And, again, I selected these rules from just a few consecutive pages of the contract.  

    Three other things:1. I took the “anarchy” word from a prior comment about the need for rules.  It wasn’t meant literally or to attack traditional public schools, but rather to point out that schools can do just fine without the contract.     2. Of course, I disagree with your generalizations about charter schools and (presumably?) unionized schools with thin contracts.  I see no compelling logic nor evidence that schools need the UFT contract to run effectively.3. With financial organizations, intra-firm transactions generally don’t have legal contracts and when they do they are generally designed to protect the firm.  I think you might be referring to inter-firm transactions which often have long contracts.   In fact, one major theory of why firms exist is to avoid the costs of contracts that typically exist between two parties in the market system.  Charter schools have a big efficiency edge (in theory at least) because they don’t have to negotiate and renegotiate contracts to deal with a myriad of potential interactions and situations.

  • Ken Hirsh

    NYC Educator,

    “If you want to drop the rules, you need to eliminate small-minded, petty, stupid administrators.”

    Exactly!  We might disagree about the possibility and extent of making this happen, but that would be the goal.  

  • Michael Fiorillo

    Ken Hirsch,

    Some points:

    - You say these contract stipulations “… could interfere with a good school leader’s ability to operate most effectively.” Well, I suppose they could, though you don’t specify why. Then again, how could insisting that teachers be given reasonable notice about what grades or classes they will be teaching possibly make a school leader less effective? Isn’t it in fact compelling them to actually BE more effective, and isn’t it unreasonable to think the union would have initially proposed this unless too many principals were failing to “effectively” give teachers their programs in a timely fashion?

    - You write that “… these rules could disrupt reasonable efforts efforts to make the best decisions in running a given school.” Again, please elaborate, with specifics. I suspect many of your “best decisions” would involve giving more power to administrators and less decision-making authority to teachers.

    - Obviously, I was writing about contracts between firms, not within them. And my point remains: corporate ed reformers harp reflexively about the “165 page teacher contract,” as if that makes it illegitimate. Yet where’s their outrage at 30-page credit card contracts? How long is the legal contract between Facebook and Goldman Sachs for its upcoming initial public stock offering? Is that contract preventing either company from functioning effectively?

    Really, Ken, I understand why grubby, only-caring-about-ourselves teachers like me insist on contract protections, but Lloyd Blankfein said that Goldman Sachs (which, like Mark Zuckerberg, is directly and indirectly involved in the corporate takeover of the schools) is doing “God’s work.” Why does he need contracts?

    - You finish by saying that charters – which, of course, are not public schools despite receiving public funds – are more efficient, as if that is the highest end in education. I don’t share your assumptions. Public education serves many functions and needs, some of which are in conflict with efficiency (which is for the most part a euphemism for ever-increasing management control). Democracy, which public education both serves and is embodied in, is not efficient. Given human history, the just distribution of equity is not efficient.

    The schools serve many purposes – and though their rhetoric mostly avoids that fact, don’t think for a second corporate reformers don’t know and act on that – for society, and efficiency should be far down the hierarchic scale (which of course is not to say that efficiencies are not possible or desirable). Rather than increased efficiency, we should be talking about increased equity and justice, and their distribution throughout society. Teachers having the collective power to achieve fair wages and benefits, decent working conditions (which are student learning conditions) and professional autonomy and dignity are part of that.

    Finally, though I think this conversation has just about run its course, here’s a proposal: you said your three contract references were chosen randomly. I invite you to go over the current UFT contract with a fine-tooth comb and find what you think is the most egregious provision, and I’ll do my best to provide you and GS readers with a valid rationale for it.

  • Ken Hirsh

    Thanks again.  So much to discuss here, but I agree that that’s probably enough for now.  I’m sure we could continue this at the next appropriate thread.  (And that would be interesting for me.)  

    I do think the classic equity vs. efficiency argument that you point out is at the base of many of these debates.  You probably think that the efficiency gains are small, nonexistent, or not worth the large and obvious sacrifices in equity, while I usually think that the efficiency gains are large and that the equity issues are small and/or only consider the equity to certain union members, while unintentionally ignoring the equity effects on other union members, non-union members, children, parents, and taxpayers.  I don’t think either of our arguments are novel, but it is interesting to discuss them in the context of the particular facts of NYC education.  

  • Jay1

    I learned last year for the first time that my rating is affected by how many students are late or absent in my class.  The principal told me this in my evaluation meeting.  I was distressed, but kept it inside.  How can my evaluation be affected by students deciding to stay home?  What can I possibly do about that?  We have an attendance teacher who calls homes.  What do I have to do?  Go to their homes and wake them up, give them breakfast and drive them to school?  So unfair.

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