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Demand for newest Success charter schools isn’t always local

With weeks to go before the deadline to apply to city charter schools, early numbers suggest that two controversial new schools are finding some takers — but mostly not from the neighborhoods where they are set to open.

Cobble Hill Success Academy and Williamsburg Success Academy, the newest additions to Eva Moskowitz’s Success Charter Network, have each received hundreds of applications already, according to the network. Cobble Hill has gotten nearly a thousand applications for its kindergarten and first grade, while the Williamsburg school has garnered nearly 700.

But despite vigorous recruitment efforts, most of those applications are from outside the schools’ districts. Just 260 of Cobble Hill’s applicants come from District 15, and fewer than 200 applicants have signed on from District 14.

Applications are due April 1, giving the schools nearly three weeks to find takers. But they do not appear to be on track to meet the numbers posted last year by Upper West Success, which opened amid protest. That school received 700 applications from residents of District 3 yet still opened under capacity this fall.

Enrollment numbers are high stakes for new charter schools, which must prove local demand in order to win the right to open. The Success Network collected 4,100 signatures from people in District 15 who said they thought a new charter school was needed there. If too few local students enroll, it could damage the schools’ credibility and undermine them if they try to open additional schools elsewhere, as the Success network plans to.

One reason for the relatively low local application rate could be local antipathy toward the schools. Both plans have drawn legal challenges, and community members in District 14 have waged a particularly vociferous battle against the school there.

Kerri Lyon, a spokeswoman for the charter network, said the lower demand in Williamsburg reflected districtwide under-enrollment more than a judgement on the charter schools.

“Nearly every Williamsburg school around Success is under-enrolled yet this school has a waitlist,” Lyon said of District 14. “If that doesn’t say there is a high demand, I don’t know what does.”

Even adversaries said the numbers reflected substantial local interest. “They’re higher than I thought they would have been,” said Tesa Wilson, president of the District 14 Community Education Council, which opposed Williamsburg Success. “I thought it would be a little lower.”

  • NYCmom

    ‘Applying’ to a Success school is as simple as checking off a box on a form – one could just check all the boxes (or, as some have suggested, be asked to in order to boost ‘demand’ numbers). Has anyone ever audited their application claims, anyway?? Who knows what they’ve actually got going on over there. They couldn’t even fill their Upper West kindergarten last year, even though they pulled in lots of kids from out of district. meanwhile the poor high schools in that building are overenrolled and can’t expand because of all the space DOE gave Success. Antipathy doesn’t begin to describe community loathing of this school chain.

  • Michael Fiorillo

    Of course the demand – a very elastic term, given her wasteful marketing budget- for Moskowitz’s schools is not local; it’s not intended to be.

    That’s for two reasons. First, it’s in the nature of a chain enterprise, which this is. Just as chain stores and restaurants are part of the Geography of Nowhere, so Success  Academies, KIPP, Uncommon Schools and the like are based on homogenous, authoritarian pedagogy, taught mostly by transients with no long term connection to the communities where they are located. 

    Second, elite support for charter schools – without which they could not exist – is predicated in part on their first feeding parasitically off the public schools, and ultimately swallowing up a large part of the system. What will be left behind is a shrunken, vestigial public system with a small constellation of desirable schools for public show, and test prep workhouses for the unworthy poor.

  • NYCDad

    ‘Who knows what they actually have going on there?  (I corrected your grammatical and punctuation errors).  Well, I’ll tell you – ‘they’ (actually us, as I am a very happy Upper West Success Academy parent) have a terrific school, with happy children who can’t wait to get to school every day.  The teachers are doing an excellent job, the students are enjoying their experience and learning a tremendous amount, and the parents are very happy that this wonderful charter school was an option.  You may not like this or other charter schools for your own reasons, but there is no reason for you to wonder what “…they’ve actually got going on over there.”  You are welcome to take a tour and find out for yourself.  You will find an excellent school, and you may learn enough about what makes these schools work so well that you could take some good ideas back to your own school.  Furthermore, given the huge numbers of applications already received for next school year it is clear that there are hundreds of parents in the community who not only don’t loathe the school but actually admire it and hope their children and lucky enough to get a slot. 

  • http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/ Norm

    This looks like another ad for Success. Do they send out a press release that triggers an automatic article? (Same goes for E4E – when Evan or Sydney burp we can expect an article). Why not include one of Success’s glossy posters? Give me a break. Success hires loads of workers at $10 an hour to waylay people who often don’t have any idea what is going on or even have kids at subway stops with a distorted message and then tries to use the sigs as a sign of demand. Ask them to show you the names and do a follow-up on some of them.
    And when you throw a million dollars in advertizing over a wide area of course you will get applications. Check with some of these people, who figure “what the hell” and apply but with no intention of going there.

  • Gideon

    It’s inaccurate to say “relatively low local enrollment.”  These are application numbers, not enrollment numbers.  While many of the applications may be from parents outside the district, state law gives preference to students within the district in the lottery that charter schools must use to admit students.  It will be more telling next fall to see how many students actually enroll from within the district and how much space is left for students outside the district.

    Also, many parents are reasonably nervous about enrolling their child in a new school with no track record.  In a few years it will be interesting to see who is applying and enrolling once the school develops a reputation in the community.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kate-Yourke/100001647021505 Kate Yourke

    The Charter Institute is designed to push the application forward, Mayoral Control guarantees its approved location, the massive marketing wave is guaranteed to attract applicants, and there is always some parent ready to claim how important it is to have “choice.”

    The destructive effect of forcing Success Academy onto a community that does not need -and does not want- this parasitic insult to its truly public schools is also guaranteed.

    Time to give the power back to people who suffer the impact of these decisions. They are more likely to lead responsibly.

  • nuff said

    Why not plot exactly where ALL the applicants come from to see if they are stacking the stats with people so far out they would never go there. No Harlem elementary kid is going to Williamsburg–so let’s see the facts

  • NYCparent

    “hope their children and lucky enough to get a slot. ”
    correcting your grammar and spelling, that should be: hope their children ARE lucky enough to get a slot.”

    They should also hope their children will not have any special needs that will land them on the street in no time, and in violation of civil rights and IDEA laws. 

  • wbreformer

    It’s not about charter schools; it’s about her charter schools.  I wonder how many special needs kids will get counseled out to make room for the reliable?  Spokeswoman & network shouldn’t assume to know WB dynamics and history.  Are they residents?  Probably not.  Not a good culture fit. They are a long way from Kansas. Don’t underestimate the WB coalition.  Although, it doesn’t help that our local elected have no credible education platform.

  • Katy

    Very well said! it is nice hearing from an actual Success parent and not people who have no idea what actually happens at the schools..

  • NYCparent

    Don’t be silly Katy — re below, we know what goes on in the schools from parents whose kids get thrown out of them!

    “Very well said! it is nice hearing from an actual Success parent and not people who have no idea what actually happens at the schools.. ”

  • http://twitter.com/JimDevor Jim Devor

    By all accounts less than thirty percent of the “applications” for “Cobble Hill Success” reside in D15.  Tthat’s WITHOUT letting its target Brownstoner parents know that under its current admission standards, ELLS and those children otherwise zoned to attend “failing schools” (of which their are NONE in Brownstone Brooklyn) – WHETHER OR NOT RESIDING IN D15 – MUST get priority over their children in admission preference.  that “lottery preference” currently applies to ALL Success Academies admissions standard

    Could that policy ex

  • cindy

    $10/hour to post comments on the internet?

  • bee

    I think the heading for this article should be, There Is Absolutely No “Demand For The Newest Success Charter Schools.” People are so short-sighted; they don’t realize the negative impact charters have on public school communities. Even if people are just looking out for theirs and their own, charter schools make no sense. There is absolutely nothing special, or even better about the Eva brand.

  • bee

     It is too about charters. Eva’s is particularly nasty because she has power and connections, but ALL charter schools undermine public schools.

  • http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/ Norm

     Maybe not even $10 but a slice of pizza.

  • bee

    These parents SHOULD be nervous about enrolling their children in Eva’s school.

  • D14parent

    If Success Academy continues to throw these numbers around – 700 applications for Williamsburg – we should really unpack them.  These numbers are coming from Success Academy and they don’t have a good record of transparency.

    To apply to a DoE school, you must walk into the office with your child and proof of address. That work shows a genuine commitment to the school. Going on a tour of a public school is not considered an application.

    To apply to Success Academy, you just go online and check a bunch of boxes. Each box you check is considered an independent application. Seeking INFORMATION is considered interest. There is no commitment within the application at all. If DoE conducted applications that way, they’d have ridiculously inflated numbers as well.

    There is also no check to see if anyone is a real person with a real child! And it takes a whole of 30 seconds. Then, Success Academy starts calling and calling and calling those families – buying them pizza and spreading lies about the schools around them. 

    Do you know how I know this? Because I applied to Success Academy under a false name and address with a made up child. I wanted to see the inside of how they do business.

    There is no audit to these numbers and there should be. If these numbers are acting as VOTES, we have a legitimate reason to investigate them.Report abuse

  • NYCmom

    This proposal to amend their charter and go with a temp ELL quota is really important. If you don’t have teacher conferences Wed evening, PLEASE come to a hearing on those proposed changes Wed 14th at Harlem Success 4: 240 W. 113th St (B, C, 2 or 3 trains to W 110th or 116th). Speaker Registration: 5:30– 6:00pm; Presentation, Comments, and Questions: 6:00pm. Brooklyn parents, come join us in D3!!

  • FYI

    That’s an ENORMOUS part of the problem, Gideon.  There is no accountability to our community, no transparency, and no oversight in this entire process.  Why should we wait a few years to give her school a chance to enroll students from our district?  Success Academy wants space in a ZONED public school.  If they can’t attract students in THAT catchment area, reflecting the REAL population of the community in which that school sits, why should we give Success Academy a pass?  This is such a profound waste of resources that it’s alarming. 

    Success Academy knows that our district does not have the population to fill up their school:
     ”Kerri Lyon, a spokeswoman for the charter network, said the lower demand in Williamsburg reflected districtwide under-enrollment more than a judgement on the charter schools.”That quote right there speaks VOLUMES.  Success Academy admits that there is NO need for more schools with our districtwide under-enrollment.  Even if we weren’t talking about charters, the consequence of adding NEW schools will be a deleterious effect on ALL of our schools.

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