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Following Bloomberg, Walcott shifts on teacher ratings release

Big-city mayors and U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan during a panel discussion today in Washington, D.C.

Last week, Chancellor Dennis Walcott spent Friday morning cautioning reporters not to take the city’s Teacher Data Reports too seriously. The city was releasing the information only because news organizations had won a legal battle for it, he said.

This morning, after a week in which Mayor Bloomberg defended the release, Walcott revised his message.

“It’s all about accountability,” he said, appearing on a panel in Washington, D.C., with Bloomberg and the mayors and schools chiefs of Chicago and Los Angeles.

“It’s all about accountability,” Walcott added. “And as the mayor indicated, parents have a right to have this information. What I’ve been trying to do is making sure that the entire New York City community understands that this is a limited piece of information and they have to view the teachers in their full context.”

Bloomberg jumped in to rebut philanthropist Bill Gates’ argument, made in a New York Times column just before the release, that no other industries release the results of employee evaluations.

“Incidentally Gates does give information at Microsoft to the people that need it, namely the managers to the people being evaluated,” Bloomberg said. “In our case it’s the principals and the parents who need that information. So we’re not doing anything differently from what Microsoft does.”

The other mayors on the panel — Chicago’s Rahm Emanuel and Los Angeles’s Anthony Villaraigosa — also said they were working to get more information into the hands of parents. But neither said volunteered that they would release performance data for individual teachers.

Instead, Villaraigosa said he was hoping to add letter grades to his city’s school report cards, as New York has done, so parents can make more informed school choices. Emanuel said Chicago would also copy some New York’s initiatives by adding five career-oriented high schools based on a city model and offering bonuses to principals who opt to work in struggling schools, similar to the city’s Executive Principals program.

Bloomberg said the city’s school reform efforts had more than paid off. ”We have closed the gap between black and Latino kids and white and Asian kids,” he said. “We have cut it in half.”

And Bloomberg offered a strident defense of testing moments after U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan, who also appeared on the panel, said the Obama administration was trying to reduce the emphasis on tests.

“This business of teaching to the test is exactly what we should do, as long as the test reflects what we want them to learn,” Bloomberg said. He added, “The tests that we do are in the children’s interest and in the teacher’s interest.”

Bloomberg cited a Vietnam-era protest song to make the case that school reform should not turn its back on testing.

“Pete Seeger had a song, ‘knee deep in the big muddy and the big fool said to push on.’ Without testing that’s exactly what you do,”Bloomberg said.

The Seeger song, “Waist Deep in the Big Muddy,” came out in 1967 as President Lyndon Johnson was escalating U.S. involvement in Vietnam. It tells the story of a platoon of soldiers who are wading in a river on their captain’s orders. But because the captain had navigated a different part of the river, he tells them to wade farther, even as the water becomes unexpectedly deep and the sergeant suggests they turn back. It is only after the captain drowns that the soldiers return to the shore.

“We were lucky to escape from the big muddy when the big fool said to push on,” Seeger sings. He goes: ”I’m not going to plant any moral, I’ll leave that for yourself … But every time I read the paper them old feelings come on. We’re waist deep in the big muddy, the big fool says to push on.”

Bloomberg’s full comments about testing are below:

We have a saying that in God we trust — everybody else has to bring data. And I know of no ways for a teacher to know whether they are getting through to the child and whether the child understands and is making progress without testing those children. And this business of teaching to the test is exactly what we should do, as long as the test reflects what we want them to learn. If the test is can you read, yes, you should find out whether they can read by testing them! And the tests that we do are in the children’s interest and in the teacher’s interest.

We want to walk away from responsibility because sometimes the tests show that we aren’t doing a good job, so, “Oh, I dont want tests.” Sometimes the tests show that we’re not devoting enough monies to the system, or we’re devoting too much money to the system. I know of nobody in this room that doesn’t get tested. You go to American University, you get tested. You [Mitchell] get tested — it’s called ratings. We get tested at the polls and with the press every single day. And this argument that we shouldn’t find out whether we’re doing a good job is just ridiculous.

… Pete Seeger had a song, “knee deep in the big muddy and the big fool said to push on.” Without testing that’s exactly what you do. And we are taking away the birthright of our children … Every time that we say oh we’ll test next year or two years from now or three years from now, you’re taking some kids and youre sending them out into the real world with lack of skills and they will never catch up.

  • Mayor is Wrong

    Isn’t it ironic that the Mayor fought a bill to allow the public to know when the Chief Executive  of the City of New York was leaving the country?

  • reality-based educator

    Did anyone at the conference confront Bloomberg or his toady chancellor about the margins of error in these reports?

    Did anyone ask Bloomberg (or  Emanuel, for that matter), if a political poll with a maximum MOE between 75% and 87% was acceptable for a political campaign?

    Did anyone ask Bloomberg if he would accept financial reporting from a company with a maximum margin of error between 75% and 87%?

    Did anyone confront Bloomberg when he said  ”We have closed the gap between black and Latino kids and white and Asian kids…We have cut it in half,” by noting that the achievement gap between black and Latino kids and white and Asian kids is as big now as when he grabbed sole control of the NYCDOE in 2002?

    Because there are multiple measures that show that is so:

    http://www.gothamgazette.com/blogs/wonkster/2011/08/04/bloomberg-and-the-achievement-gap/

    Does Bloomberg just get to spew horsebleep without some member of the press calling him on it?

    You know, the Bushies learned long ago that if you just keep repeating lies over and over, a compliant corporate press will repeat those lies without challenging the veracity of them and soon everyone will believe those lies and they will become conventional wisdom and indeed, truth.

    Bloomberg does the same thing.

    And other than a few journalists – most notably Juan Gonzalez, though there are a handful of others – the press just repeats his jive rather than challenging him right to his face on his lies, distortions and evasions.

  • Tom

    Great piece. Hopefully the title in the eyebrow will prove true.

  • JEFF S

    It is almost comical reading this article.  Emperor Michael I, he that doesn’t believe term limit laws should apply to him despite the fact his subjects twice voted for a two term limit, doesn’t get it.  He is the captain in that song shouting out don’t be a nervous nellie.  All we need is a little determination, men let’s move on.  And we saw what happened to the captain which saved the rest of the platoon.

    Mulgrew was on the John Gambling show this morning at 0700 (I am sure his remarks are on the WOR 710 web site).  He brought up how the Emperor had gone back on his word not to release the flawed ratings, how the union and the DOE had agreed this was a pilot program  He also brought up the 33 schools the mayor is trying to close and how the city and union had agreed to try out a new assessment system.  Of course one would think Gambling would bring these things up to the Emperor during this usual Friday appearance on the show.  Well since the Emperor was in Washington, he went on at 0900 instead and of course got the usual powder pull questions from Gambling.  Nobody has raised  the point of lack of integrity on the part of the Emperor in releasing these flawed results after the DOE agreed not to.

    Finally there is the current Schools Chancellor.  AFter reading this articule, how anybody can come to the conclusion he is little more than a lackey for the Emperor is beyond me.  The more you read and listen to the Emperor, the more it becomes clear he has this obsession to break the UFT before he leaves office (uness eh thinks his money can buy a fourth term).  It’s just so sad.

  • ASTRAKA

     Jeff S.

    Please, don’t call him “Emperor Michael I”.
    He likes it and he acts the part every chance he gets.;)
    Find a more benign  adjective to describe him.

  • http://nyceducator.com/ NYC Educator

    Kind of remarkable and audacious, after ten years of abject failure, that Bloomberg would invoke that song. I’ve been following Pete Seegar since I was very young, and don’t recall the last time he lobbied for billionaire-sponsored reforms. I suggest Bloomberg start listening to Hank Williams Jr. Better him than me.

  • SickofBloomberg

    Here in the land of sheep no one is telling the emperor his a$$ is naked.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Leonie-Haimson/1094324158 Leonie Haimson

    So who’s the big fool asking the troops to “push on” to their death?  Hopefully our schools will get a chance to turnaround b/f its too late.

  • reality-based educator

     Next he’ll say Johnny Cash wore black for the poor test prep company simply trying to make hundreds of millions of dollars every year with their standardized tests…

    Which is of course not true.

    Every knows Johnny Cash wore black for Cathie Black.

  • bee

    It is pretty disturbing isn’t it? I think we need to have some media REFORMS pronto. We need to stop some of the more underhanded media tactics encountered so often today, including but not limited to lying by omission,  the outright perpetuation of misinformation to name a couple. I was taught that reporters, and journalists were supposed to report news objectively. Nowadays it’s rather hard to distinguish between a news report and an editorial isn’t it?

  • Dsenechal

    “So we’re not doing anything differerent from what Microsoft does.”

    Except for one subtle thing: you’re releasing the ratings to the world.

    “And this business of teaching to the test is exactly what we shoukd do, as long as the test reflects what we want them to learn.”

    Sigh.

  • http://nyceducator.com/ NYC Educator

     I’m a little surprised Walcott expressed an opinion without first checking with Mayor Mike what it ought to be. That doesn’t happen often under mayoral control. Thank goodness. I thought for a moment we had a chancellor who represented the interests of schoolchildren rather than the caprices of the wealthiest man in New York.

  • http://nyceducator.com/ NYC Educator

     It shows you how very, very little this uber “reformer” knows about what teachers really do. That’s a good lesson for us all.

  • http://twitter.com/converseteacher Converse Teacher

    This is exactly what I was thinking! Could he have picked a more ironic song to quote?

  • jteach

    Just this prooves that Walcott is Bloombergs lacky.  Unreal.  Bloomberg failed to mention that he is able to buy off his accountability during his election and reelections.

  • Torys

    “And I know of no ways for a teacher to know whether they are getting through to the child and whether the child understands and is making progress without testing those children.”
    Well Mike,
    Why dont you ask the headmaster at Spence (where your daughters went to school) how much their faculty teach to the test? 

  • SickofBloomberg

    Bloomberg says:” We get tested at the polls and with the press every single day. And this argument that we shouldn’t find out whether we’re doing a good job is just ridiculous.”
    There are thousands of people saying that Bloomberg has done a horrible job and yet, he keeps his job.  When was the last time a politician got fired because the press “tested” them?  Bloomberg is suffering from dementia and yet, because he is rich, and this is America, he keeps his job.  Which by the way, he still has because he ignored the people who told him NO THIRD TERM.

  • My child is NOT a test score

    And we are taking away the birthright of our children…….Every time we allow these men to enforce policies as destructive as these.  They are taking their birthright to a childhood.  May their waters rise around them and they reap what they sow……

  • michael

    Lap dog does it again. Can’t speak for himself.

  • Nychistoryteacher

    This has to be one of the top 3 Bloomberg education gaffes. I think I would order them

    1.  “…it is in the best interest of our children for Cathie Black to succeed as chancellor.”

    2.  “…double the class size with a better teacher is a good deal for the students.”

    3. “…this business of teaching to the test is exactly what we should do, as long as the test reflects what we want them to learn.”

  • Mak

    I guess if the Seeger song was written as a passage on the test Bloomberg would fail because he obviously doesn’t get the main idea of the lyrics.  It’s ironic that he would quote that song.  Bloomberg (the captain/big fool) should really think before he opens his mouth because the more he speaks the more he sounds like a fool.

  • Givemeabreak

    The sad fact is that the Union (by being too spineless to back Thompson), and the teachers (by choosing to live on Long Island) helped re-elect this blubbering fool to a third term. The supposedly liberal white people of Manhattan voted Bloomberg right across the board, and the minorities they’re so afraid of voted for Thompson. When has there ever been a mayor with a weekly magazine, a television channel, a multi-billion dollar business with their name on it? Is everybody brain dead?

  • Pogue

    Educationally, those four on stage are a joke.  And, a destructive ones at that. The only thing missing is having them between two ferns…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVIpY-r95w8

  • Jay1

    I am so glad I graduated from school before all this teach to the test stuff took hold.  I had good and bad teachers – mostly above average, but I learned from all of them, and the term ‘bad’ is subjective because just being a bit boring doesn’t make a teacher ‘bad.’

    But then again, in my generation, we didn’t need a rock star teacher in every class doing ‘differentiated,’ ‘project-based learning’ that was aligned to ‘common core curriculums’ and that addressed every type of ‘learning style’ and ‘multiple intelligence’ in a room that had to recognize ‘disparities,’ ‘oppression due to white priviledge’ and every culture as equal.

    After 20 years of massive changes in this land.  Are we better off as a nation?  Have we been sufficiently ‘enriched?’  The ‘gap’ is as persistent as ever.  It is becoming increasingly clear that people of different cultures do NOT integrate together and that there are serious values differences across race, ethnicity, class and political outlook that seem to spell the doom of our once united nation.

    Am I the only one who can peer into the future and make some somber conclusions?

  • Pram

    very aptly said. i too am perplexed at how we take a complex subject (human mind, adolescence, family circumstance, societal values, peer group, etc.) and reduce it to the many theories.

  • http://twitter.com/urbanlad Urbanlad

    Irony? Knee-deep and drowning. Sounds like his oversight and understanding of the schools. Don’t back down. Just double or triple down with a losing hand. Jeez. I’m wondering what is in the water that Bloomie is drinking? The song analogy is so poor, but so telling. It appears he doesn’t even understand the meaning of the song-hence his disconnect from how poorly he has run the NYC schools.Here’s hoping that things will change when he leaves office unless he goes for a fourth term. Not unlikely given his propensity for the spotlight and his delusions of grandeur. Hope you guys in NYC can keep it together until real change comes along. Hopefully when parents and students learn the real deal with what is going on.

  • Apapercut

    I would like to see the data Bloomberg used when first deciding to use small schools and charter schools.  I knowthat the Fed’s did independent research on the topic and found no evidence that either would change anything significantly.  I believe the name of the independent researchers was ABT Associates. http://www.abtassociates.com/reports/SMALLER.pdf

  • Michael Fiorillo

    Bloomberg’s words and actions are usually best seen through the framework of the finance and real estate interests he represents, rather than individual psychology, but his reference to “Big Muddy” made this irresistible:

    From Wikipedia: “Psychological Projection: a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her attributes, thoughts and emotions (let’s not forget behavior, as well, MF), which are then ascribed to other people.”

  • Guest

    the current test has problems no dought but i agree with statement three. we need a  better test. 

  • Janineschleicher

    The tests become easier to pass when he needs to appear as though he is making amazing progress with NYC schools!

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