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Bloomberg says police and firemen, unlike teachers, are widgets

A frequent critique of the city’s release of value-added ratings for thousands of teachers last week has been that the city has never rated other workers in similar ways.

On Tuesday, Mayor Bloomberg explained the discrepancy, according to Capital New York. In short, Bloomberg said, teachers are not widgets, but other city workers are:

This is not like police and fire. You think about it. Police and fire, we assign a cop or a firefighter to a station, to a post, to a firehouse, to a piece of equipment. And all of the firefighers and all of the cops are changed. Not only are they interchangeable, we deliberately move them around, because that helps their careers and they learn more things and they’re better able to perform their jobs.

Education is different, Bloomberg added. His comments channeled the 2009 “Widget Effect” report by The New Teacher Project, which became fuel for reformers to push tougher teacher evaluations.

“The Widget Effect describes the tendency of school districts to assume classroom effectiveness is the same from teacher to teacher,” the study’s executive summary says. “This decades-old fallacy fosters an environment in which teachers cease to be understood as individual professionals, but rather as interchangeable parts.”

  • SickofBloomberg

    So that makes Bloomberg a widget or a midget?

  • Nychistoryteacher

    That makes absolutely no sense. If all cops are interchangeable, how do you decide who to promote? Is there a lottery?

  • Tim

    The “Ranks of the NYPD” section of this Wikipedia entry is instructive. Some advancements (esp to detective) are determined by service/seniority, but the big promotions (sergeant, captain, lieutenant) are determined by examinations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department 

  • Nychistoryteacher

    Bloomberg’s statement doesn’t pass the laugh test.

    We know that not all detectives have the same close rate on their investigations nor do all police officers all have the same number of civilian complaints filed against them. The body mass index of police officers also seems like another piece of objective data that might be relevant to their job performance.

    There is certainly objective data about police officers that proves they are not all the same. Doesn’t the public have a right to that data, the same way they have a right to teacher’s ratings?

  • Flerplunk

    “There is certainly objective data about police officers that proves they are not all the same. Doesn’t the public have a right to that data, the same way they have a right to teacher’s ratings?”

    Probably, assuming the data exists in records that don’t have to be created separately to aggregate the data.  Ask for it if you want it. 

  • Michael Fiorillo

    The 2009 New Teacher Project report is a political document, not an educational one. It’s underlying purpose was to expand management control of the profession through the use of new evaluation procedures, and under the guise of serving students (remember: it’s Children First. Always. Even when you’re closing their schools and casting them adrift, or giving their schools over to politically-connected private entities). 

    Much of the report is is premised on the fallacy that administrators and the system could not promote perceived high-achieving teachers. Nonsense: there were always staff development or mentor jobs, or jobs with the Districts that those teachers could be placed in. That many of those jobs had, shall we say, a political dimension does not mean they didn’t exist. And anyway, wasn’t the traditional path for those teachers to become APs and Principals, at least until the deformers turned the job of Principal into that of Chief School Compliance Officer, making it easier to put in place Leadership Academy grads with little classroom experience?Despite what TNTP and the Mayor would have us believe, teachers are still looked upon as widgets by the DOE. Or rather, under current management-speak, we are “assets” or “‘human capital” (or factors of production, to be less euphemistic, with the kids as the product), to be deployed, ultimately without the interference of a pesky union. Assets and capital are in the end fungible or as the mayor said, interchangeable. If he didn’t think that, he’d try do something about the abysmal teacher retention rate in the system (which he secretly loves and wants to increase, thus reduced rate of granting tenure).In this case, the mayor is just temporarily masking his contempt for teachers (redirecting it to police officers and firefighters instead) as a  spin tactic in response to the TDRs blowing up in the deformers faces.  

  • Invictus

    Typical pathetic analytic skills comparing apples and oranges.  The only reason why he needs to defend the indefensible, privateers can make bucket loads of $$$$ from the dissolution of teaching as a time honored profession with perks and security, while there is very little $$$$ that can be made by throwing cops and firemen under the scrutiny of the public eye.  The police are armed, teachers while many, are only armed with their skills against a public that harbors resentment for what they do not have in their job conditions but that teachers and their union were able to maintain until now.  

  • Clay

    Bloomberg is moronic. Should the public believe that all cops are just like the one that was arrested yesterday for drunk driving or Moreno and Matta?

  • Michael M. (parent still)

    Bloomberg gets a “4″ in circular logic.

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