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Rise & Shine: Bill Gates calls teacher data release “big mistake”

  • Bill Gates: Releasing teachers’ performance ratings would be a “big mistake,” educationally. (Times)
  • A city charter school’s closure has spurred talk about how to help struggling charters. (GothamSchools)
  • On average, five students a day were arrested in schools last fall. (GS, Post, Daily News, SB, NY1)
  • Five career and technical schools will open in the Bronx, replacing ones that are closing. (Daily News)
  • Parents in Queens want the city to keep its promise to open a citywide gifted middle school. (Daily News)
  • Follow-up was not swift or even present after a mother said her autistic son was abused at P.S. 94. (NY1)
  • A tour of DOE headquarters soothed parents whose local school will open there. (Downtown Express)
  • Five state school districts had federal grants restored to their schools, but not the city. (GothamSchools)
  • Chicago’s school board voted to overhaul or close 17 struggling schools. (WSJTribuneSun-Times)
  • Celia Oyler

    I’m trying to figure out why the Gates Foundation is now distancing itself from the very mis-use of test scores they have been promoting? And isn’t it embarrassingly transparent that the Times published his advertisement on the very day the flawed teacher data reports are expected to be released? Why do people think Gates is trying to distance himself from his monster child at this moment in history? I need analysis, please.

  • http://perdidostreetschool.blogspot.com/ reality-based educator

    I have an idea why Gates is distancing himself – because once these scores are released (with the caveat that they have large margins of error), the veil will be pulled back on the “objective” nature of the value-added system.

    People will see one teacher go from 7th percentile one year to an 87th percentile the next year, then fall down to a 50th percentile the third year, and start to ask “Hey, does this system make sense?  Why are there such swings in the ratings?” 

    There is a reason Gates, the DFER’s, the charter school people, and so many other so-called “education reformers” have come out against the publication of these reports just as the UFT and the NYSUT have agreed to a state system wherein test scores are THE determining factor in a teacher’s evaluation (come up “ineffective” on the 40% of the eval based upon test scores, you are declared “ineffective” overall.)

    They are afraid it will undo all the hard work they have done to convince the public that VAM is valid, fair and just, that an evaluation system based upon this is “objective” and scientific” (as Cuomo said it is last May during the LIFO fight.)

    They are afraid that once VAM and the “objectivity” of a test-based evaluation system get some scrutiny, they will not hold up.

     

  • Vote NO!

     He  may  have  come  to the  realization  that  he,  and  the  entire  “education  reform”  movement  have  vilified   America’s  unionized  public  school  teachers  to  the  point  of  doing  irreparable  harm  to  the  schools.  He  may  have  come  to  realize  that  the  “education  reform”  movement  will  ultimately   be  held  responsible  for  this  destruction.

    It’s  obvious  to  anyone  without  an  anti-public  school  teacher  agenda,  that  subjecting  13,000  public  school  teachers  to  public  ridicule  will  do  NOTHING to  enhance  the  profession. 

  • 40yearteacher

    When someone with a big ego loses control over what he started he is going to try and slow down the wave he created. He knows that it really doesn’t work for so many reasons and he is in damage control mode. Hopefully this will be the beginning of the end of the education deformers. We can only hope.

  • Vote NO!

     Agreed,

    They  may  have  also  realized  that  many  of  the  teachers  with ” low  scores”  are  probably  well  regarded  by  the  school  administrators,  and  parents.  This  would  further  erode  confidence  in  the  VAM   assessments  of  teacher  quality.
    They  want  to  implement  this  evaluation  scheme  to  fire  as  many  teachers  as  possible  outside  of  public  scrutiny.  

  • Flerplunk

    Or maybe he and other ed reformers are trying to stay on the right side of public opinion.  Or perhaps he even genuinely thinks that public release of evaluations is counterproductive.  

  • NUFF SAID

    Wow -interesting to watch one Billionaire (Gates)–throwing another Billionaire (Bloomberg)–”under the bus”—–Has Bill had his people go over the data ahead of time?–seems he is distancing himself at the last minute as far as he can get.

  • Guest

    I left a message on Leo Casey’s article.  It didn’t get posted.  Shocking!

  • Anonymous

    My guess is that Bill Gates has been doing some reading and realizes what the testing experts have been telling us: You can’t evaluate the effectiveness of a teacher with a ten dollar group test. As someone else said, let’s hope this is the beginning of the end of the nonsense that’s been going around for the last few years.

    Common sense alone should tell us that publicly humiliating schoolteachers is not going to help the children in their care.

  • FedUp

    Gates: A day late and a dollar short. And by the way, got to love the NY Times on Schoolbook: “The ratings are imperfect, according to independent experts, school administrators and teachers alike. There are large margins of error, because they are generally based on small amounts of data. And there are many other documented problems, like teachers being rated even when they are on maternity leave.” Yet they’re going to publish them anyway, and are “inviting” teachers to respond to them. The data does not deserve a response, although I’m sure there are people who will be so upset that they feel they must set the record straight. The whole situation is shameful.

  • NUFF SAID

    Anybody else feel like waiting for this so-called “data” is like  watching a slow-motion train wreck?

  • ASTRAKA

    Bill Gates,
    You want to improve education by helping destroy the profession that is needed to do the job!

    It is too little, too late. You are responsible in setting in motion a process that will take years to stop.
    Use your billions to stop poverty.
    Sponsor students and pay their tuition in college.

  • Michael Fiorillo

    I don’t think it’s coincidental that both Gates and Wendy Kopp have come out against publishing the Teacher Data Reports. Their fear is that it will expose TFA and other fast-food teacher certification programs as the Hollywood stage set they are, and pop the bubble of hype that has allowed them to function as vehicles for destabilizing the profession and privatizing the schools.

  • Nychistoryteacher

    Noticeably absent are remarks from proponents of publishing TDRs. What do Bloomberg, Klein and the editors suing for the information have to say now that every other stake holder has come out against TDR publication? 

  • NUFF SAID

    I wonder if Gates foundation has enough responsibility for these reports for a class-action lawsuit? Especially since publicly funded Charters (that he does support) are not reporting their data.

  • NUFF SAID

    They may comment when Stuy Highs Teachers come out at the bottom–u can’t meet AYP if kids are too close to the top—it’s just Math-where do u go from the top?

  • Flerplunk

    no.

  • Michael M. (parent still)

    Wow.  Even Bill Gates is saying, “DON’T release the Kraken.”

    (Apologies to Liam Neeson, HT to Nuff Said.)

  • NUFF SAID

    The more things change…..-King/Klein -SLC-Wireless Generation has been contracted on a work-for-hire basis to develop the open source software .—–hmmm

  • http://www.dianasenechal.com/ Diana Senechal

    Gates should have spoken out earlier. For a long time now, people have been saying (eloquently, forcefully, and persasively) that this is a terrible idea.

    But even if he had done so, it probably wouldn’t have affected the result. It is a weakness in the law. A publication makes a FOIL request. If the recipient agency does not have legal gronds for refusing to honor the request, then it must comply.

    These legal grounds must be reconsidered. The information to be released here is not pure data; it is a judgment of an employee’s effectiveness. The fact that it’s done by formula doesn’t make it less of a judgment. It is biased not only by the formula but also by what the formula excludes. There should be a provision in the law protecting employees against the release of this particular kind of information.

    Also, the law needs to be revised in light of the nature of online publications. Information is no longer released to the local community; it is available to the world. Teachers’ ratings will be accessed by potential employers, family members, friends, even dates. Do they need this information? No. Will they use it to good ends? Probably not. The law must include some sort of protection against abuse.

    So, the best hope lies in revision of the law. We can’t expect newspapers to refrain from publishing the ratings, now that they have been given the go-ahead to do so. Nor can we place hope in a union lawsuit; the union’s objections have merit but apparently do not hold up under current law. I imagine a deft lawyer could set a precedent through fine interpretation of the current law, but it doesn’t look like the court was willing to do that.

    In the meantime, the scores will likely be released, and people will be hurt. That goes for teachers labeled “effective” as well. Flawed, shallow praise can be worse than no praise at all, especially when others are receiving flawed, shallow blame.

  • Teaching Fellow

    Yeah, that NYC Teaching Fellows program that helped me get my master’s degree and has helped propel me in my career as an incredibly hard-working and dedicated teacher was such a “bubble of hype”!  What a scam it is to be making 55k a year after five years of working 55 hour weeks!  I sure am glad I destabilized the profession!

    But seriously Mr. Fiorillo.  You do realize that when you make huge generalizations about certification programs, you do risk sounding ignorant.  I am the result of a “fast-food teacher certification” and have done nothing to destabilize the job.  So please, think before you speak (a lesson I teach my freshmen students).

  • JJ

    My thoughts: I would very much prefer that my scores were not printed in the paper. However, I would have no problem explaining to people that the scores are invalid and flawed. The people who read the papers are not the ones who are responsible for me putting food on the table. The big problem is that with the new evaluation system going into effect, these scores will be used to lay off teachers in the near future. It amazes me that teachers are more concerned with having a flawed scores printed in the newspapers than the fact that these flawed scores can and will be used against them by the DOE. 

  • Michael Fiorillo

    Touchy, now, aren’t we? 

    As for being at risk of sounding ignorant, perhaps you should have read my comment; nowhere did it mention the Teaching Fellows. In fact, I’ve worked with many Fellows in my school, and defended them before other colleagues who’ve lumped them in with TFA, which is a fast-food certification program (among others), and which works in close conjunction with those destabilizing the profession and the public schools.As I said, I’ve usually defended Fellows to colleagues, but I’ll make an exception for you, given your poor reading skills and apparent ignorance of the political economy of education reform.

  • Careerteacher

    What is the average career length of a Teaching Fellow? My school just lost a TF who decided after 4 years to become a massuese.

  • PackingItIn

    A bit less extreme, but I went from the 84th percentile to the 42nd percentile the following year. I have been a teacher for over 15 years, I know what I’m doing and I know how to prepare kids for tests. It’s very frustrating for me, to see that kind of decline, especially when the kids I got the lower score with worked much harder than the previous years’ kids. If all goes according to plan, I will leave the DOE in June- I am unwilling and unable to put all my financial eggs in the test score basket. Fortunately the economy is improving and I already have a few leads on non-teaching jobs. (Go  figure, all the non-teachers I’ve spoken to about employment seem to be unsurprised that teachers are unhappy.)

  • http://nyceducator.com/ NYC Educator

    Let me just say this once again–God bless Gotham Schools for having the integrity to resist doing what the Times, the News, the various local channels, and who knows who else is going to do. 

  • Guest

    One battle at a time.  Personally, I don’t want the data released, but I would like the public to really see how wrong they were.  So, when it is time to go after teachers’ jobs they will wonder about the ‘scores’ the state gives teachers.

  • http://www.dianasenechal.com/ Diana Senechal

    This is not to say that the DOE did this against its will. It appears that the DOE may even have prodded the media to make the FOIL requests. But the only way to prevent this in the future is to change the law.

    Also, a correction: I referred in the last paragraph to the label “effective,” but in the TDRs teachers are classified as “low,” “below average,” “average,” etc.

  • NUFF SAID

    Will /the media now ask for the REAL RAW data and not the curved manipulated data? Anyone can move a Bell curve–isn’t that what the State did with their appearing / disappearing test scores?

  • Flerplunk

    I understand the concern with this particular case, but I’m not sure that rewriting the law to make government records less accessible to the public is a good idea.  If anything, government should be more transparent, not less.

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