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At union meeting, jobless teachers decry ATR deal “shell game”

Tensions ran high at the United Federation of Teachers Brooklyn office on Tuesday, as union officials volleyed questions, demands, and some cries of exasperation from nearly 100 teachers without permanent positions.

The union office was hosting the second in a series of meetings for members of the Absent Teacher Reserve — the large pool of teachers whose jobs were eliminated when their schools closed or cut costs.

The union is holding the meetings to explain changes to the way teachers in the ATR pool are deployed, based on an agreement struck this summer between the UFT and the Department of Education that stipulates that ATRs must travel to a different school each week. The first weekly assignments are set to start going out today.

But union officials spent much of the meeting deflecting criticism from teachers who charged that the constant upheaval would not make use of their expertise and make them less likely to land permanent positions.

Amy Arundell, a UFT special representative, told the roughly 100 teachers at the meeting that the point of moving teachers weekly is to position them for jobs that could open up at the schools where they are temporarily assigned. The previous arrangement, in which members of the ATR pool often stayed at one school for an entire year, allowed principals to use them as free labor, she said, without necessarily incentivizing them to offer the ATR teachers permanent jobs.

Above frequent interruptions from the standing-room-only crowd, Arundell told teachers they must report to their new assignments next week, even if the principals at the schools they were assigned to for September tell them to stay put. She and several teachers in the room said some principals are asking ATRs to ignore their DOE placements and stay on, in violation of the agreement.

She encouraged the teachers to “be proactive” with the principals and press them to find money in their limited budgets to create permanent positions.

“Otherwise, you can’t stay,” she said. “Unless a principal tells you, ‘I hire you,’ Central DOE won’t know that a principal wants to keep you. You know that saying, ‘Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?’ That’s true here.”

That logic sounded hollow for a Manhattan-based teacher who said after the meeting that the normally “pro-teacher” union had agreed to a deal that does not put ATRs’ best interests first.

“This weekly assignment nonsense is meant to aggravate people so they get disgusted and leave,” she said.

During the meeting, attendees called on the UFT to create a chapter just for ATRs and to file a discrimination lawsuit against the city on their behalf. But the union officials present, which included LeRoy Barr, the UFT staff director, rejected those requests, arguing that discrimination is difficult to prove and that chapter leaders at the schools where ATRs are temporarily assigned are equipped to advocate for them.

Arundell urged teachers to contact their temporary chapter leaders with complaints about hostile principals or requests to teach subjects out of their license.

But several teachers complained during the meeting that they had reached out to the UFT and the DOE with complaints, and received no response.

“It may be news for some of you, but there is not union representation in every school,” one teacher called out from the audience. “I was at one school that had no chapter leader.”

Several teachers complained about being assigned by their new principals to lunch duty or clerical work, which Arundell said was not part of their contract. Others spoke of being asked to take on subjects they are not licensed to teach.

One Manhattan-based librarian, who came to the Brooklyn meeting because the Manhattan meeting is not until next week, said her current principal is using her as an assistant to two kindergarten teachers at an elementary school because the school’s library is closed.

“I take the kids to the bathroom every period. That’s about all I do. My principal said to me, ‘I don’t want you here. You’re not going to work anyway.’” She paused for emphasis and whispered, “I think it’s because of my gray hair.”

Teachers throughout the room clapped when one attendee called on the union to file a class-action lawsuit against the city. Union officials shot down the idea, saying that courts require a high burden of proof for discrimination suits that the union would be unlikely to meet.

“But it’s happening everywhere,” another teacher called out. “Stop the shell game that’s taking place.”

Several teachers in attendance said they would like the union to create an ATR teacher chapter to represent them — something the union officials said was not likely to happen.

As the 2.5-hour-long meeting wrapped up, Vincente DeSiano, an elementary school teacher in the ATR pool, collected names and contact information from the roughly 40 people still present, after union officials said they would not provide information about who had attended.

“We have power that we don’t realize,” DeSiano said. “I want us all to be able to share information with each other and see how we can help the situation.”

  • Philip Nobile

    Rachel Comidas nicely captured the tension in Tuesday’s ATR meeting in the UFT’s Brooklyn borough office. But I think she underestimated the size of the crowd. By my count it was closer to 200 than 100. For additional details and impressions, I recommend my report  (“UFT to ATRs: Information, Yes; Organization, No Way in Hell”) posted today on  nycatr.blogspot.com and ednotesoneline.blogspot.com.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know what meeting Mr. Nobile attended, but he does not speak for me. And if he is going to do so, he should get his facts straight. I was at the Brooklyn meeting on Tuesday, and there could not have been more than 100 of my fellow ATRs in the room (definitely not “a crowd of two hundred or more”). When Mr. Nobile made his pitch and asked if we wanted our own chapter, I know that my hand did not go up, and I observed only about 10 hands raised (not my definition of a room that “erupted unanimously in favor”). Why the need to exaggerate what really happened? Our collective anger is justified, but misplaced if not directed toward the real perpetrators of our misery, the DOE. My reason for attending the meeting was to get whatever information I can to assist me with what comes next, and to the extent possible, that was accomplished.

  • cl_pixie

    Really Anon!   You are trying to put blame on the DoE?  Do you really think Randi had nothing to do with any of this situation? It was she who negotiated the ’05 contract!   And why wouldn’t you want your own chapter–a place you can go with your concerns???    What if anything did the union help you with during this meeting except give ATRs a chance to vent their concerns.  And what immediate action is the UFT taking?  Are you aware that principals have been hiring new teachers despite the agreement while you stand on long cattle lines waiting to get into a phony job fair.  Of course this is discrimination, and ATRs are right to insist the UFT to file a class action suit.  But the truth of the matter is the UFT is trying to break seniority.  They did nothing to try to save schools from closing or turning into more charters.  They did nothing to stop Bloomberg’s 3rd re-election or mayoral control. So don’t blame the DoE for under-the-table deals made with the UFT.

  • cl_pixie

    October 20th ATR meeting at 4:00pm at the
    Skylight Diner on 34th Street and 9th Avenue in Manhattan sponsored by
    the Grassroots Education Movement (GEM) to discuss the next steps in the
    fight for dignity.

  • Br7890

    It is   critical  to  protect  LIFO  now.

    How  many  ATRs  are  there?

  • A former Teacher

    According to the website and flyer, the meeting starts at 5PM. Just want to make sure we don’t lose anyone planning on coming.

  • A former Teacher

    According to the website and flyer, the meeting starts at 5PM. Just want to make sure we don’t lose anyone planning on coming.

  • Philip Nobile

     To Anonymous: If Brooklyn Borough Rep Howie Schoor had been gracious enough to share the sign up list with us on Tuesday, we would have an exact count. I will ask him for the number at least and report back.
    As for the audience response to my call out for an ATR chapter, some hands were raised but there were shouts and claps, too. Since I did not ask for a show of hands, you cannot assume that people who did not raise theirs were opposed. Surely, you recall the loud, favorable reaction to Herb Michaels” similar plea: “I’m not convinced I’m really represented. … Why can’t we have a motion on the floor to elect a chapter leader?”
    I would be interested to know why Anonymous does not support chapters for us good standing, disenfranchised ATRs who are treated worse than rubber roomers under suspicion.  

  • WaltonAlumnus

    ATR here!  What a waste of resources. Having teachers with years of experience would be something a principal of a school would want, yes? What a waste of money and talent to not give these teachers positions with students. Here’s an idea. Principals don’t have a limit on the amount in their budget for teachers. Then principals can have any teacher they  want. Then we will ssee which principals and which teachers are exceeding expectations…. 

  • Jdbalthazar

    Are these ATR’s all stupid? Michael Mulgrew sold you down the river, he’s not going to lift one hair on his head…(you get the point) to help you. You’ve been sold out. Our Union sucks.

  • Philip Nobile

    To Anonymous: Upon request, Howie Schoor was kind enough to disclose the exact number of ATRs at the Brooklyn meeting. Pardon my gloat, but you were dead wrong to say “there could not have been more than 100 of my fellow ATRs in the room.”  In fact, according to Schoor, there were 105.  
    As for your nitpick of my fubar estimate of  “two hundred or more” on NYCATR, which I will correct, I hope you feel good about yourself.

  • cl_pixie

    I copied and pasted it, but I understand it was corrected on the ICE blog.

  • cl_pixie

    Unfortunately Philip, 105 is closer to Anon’s estimate than what you wrote.  So there I think you owe a retraction rather than a gloat.  However, the rest of her comment regarding your request for your own chapter was unkind.  Those who have been ATRs since ’06 have undergone horrible treatment with little or no help from the union.  Frankly, I found his/her defense of the UFT  suspect and think it has more to do with your affiliation to Norm and others rather than Unity.

  • Philip Nobile

    To CL_PIXIE: I was kidding Anonymous when I said that her no “more than 100” claim was wrong, even thought I was right. Any way you slice it, 105 is more than 100. But I did not rest on this laurel. I conceded that “two-hundred or more” estimate was fubar, and I stand by that.
    I agree that Anonymous owes us an explanation why less union representation  is better than more, which an ATR  chapter will guarantee.

  • Nyperdiems

    Both ATRs and substitute tachers have been disenfrancised. ATRs need a permanent position and subs need to fuill vacancies and day to day absences. The UFT said “We resolved the problem by giving ATRs “something to do” That something is to act as substitutes. I am not blaming ATRs, but just think: Isn’t day to day subbing our job.
    My unemployment claim is now only $67 per week based on my highest quarter. I used to make $6,000 per quarter, I made only $1,600 last year. The reason? Budget cuts and ATRs which are being stationed at the school. Schools are not abiding by the agreement.

  • Disgusted

    ATR status is not just for teachers, but sadly there are many many principal in ATR status as well.   And just as with teachers, there is a negative connotation associated with the term ATR.  For principals in this status it is even worse, becuase outside possible employers are baffled as to why the DOE has declared so many principal vacancies month after month on their site, yet there are perfectly good principals they could give the poitions to.  John LUI should really look into the rationale behind firing 672 school aides only to have ATR principals work as clerks, breakfast and lunch duty attendants and photo copiers (all school aide jobs).  This is disgraceful.

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