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	<title>Comments on: Bloomberg declares tenure is not needed in public schools</title>
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		<title>By: flerpo</title>
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		<dc:creator>flerpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to see the methodology; 70% seems high on a gut level.  It&#039;s possible that I&#039;m underestimating the number of positions at community colleges, but I wonder how much of this is connected to the explosive growth in &quot;online learning.&quot; 

It&#039;s hard to see any alternative to this trend in light of the number of students that colleges and universities enroll each year.  Over-enrollment (or under-employment professors, if you prefer) has colleges and universities addicted to the indentured servants known as &quot;graduate students.&quot;  Most of them (at least in the humanities fields) are happy to get one of those adjunct jobs.    ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see the methodology; 70% seems high on a gut level.  It&#8217;s possible that I&#8217;m underestimating the number of positions at community colleges, but I wonder how much of this is connected to the explosive growth in &#8220;online learning.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to see any alternative to this trend in light of the number of students that colleges and universities enroll each year.  Over-enrollment (or under-employment professors, if you prefer) has colleges and universities addicted to the indentured servants known as &#8220;graduate students.&#8221;  Most of them (at least in the humanities fields) are happy to get one of those adjunct jobs.    </p>
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		<title>By: flerpo</title>
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		<dc:creator>flerpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to see the methodology; 70% seems high on a gut level.  It&#039;s possible that I&#039;m underestimating the number of positions at community colleges, but I wonder how much of this is connected to the explosive growth in &quot;online learning.&quot; 

It&#039;s hard to see any alternative to this trend in light of the number of students that colleges and universities enroll each year.  Over-enrollment (or under-employment professors, if you prefer) has colleges and universities addicted to the indentured servants known as &quot;graduate students.&quot;  Most of them (at least in the humanities fields) are happy to get one of those adjunct jobs.    ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see the methodology; 70% seems high on a gut level.  It&#8217;s possible that I&#8217;m underestimating the number of positions at community colleges, but I wonder how much of this is connected to the explosive growth in &#8220;online learning.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to see any alternative to this trend in light of the number of students that colleges and universities enroll each year.  Over-enrollment (or under-employment professors, if you prefer) has colleges and universities addicted to the indentured servants known as &#8220;graduate students.&#8221;  Most of them (at least in the humanities fields) are happy to get one of those adjunct jobs.    </p>
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		<title>By: GC</title>
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		<dc:creator>GC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sinaps:  Public university jobs are increasingly being done by adject faculty. From the NY Times: 
&quot;The shift from a tenured faculty results from financial pressures, administrators’ desire for more flexibility in hiring, firing and changing course offerings, and the growth of community colleges and regional public universities focused on teaching basics and preparing students for jobs.  It has become so extreme, however, that some universities are pulling back, concerned about the effect on educational quality. 
Three decades ago, adjuncts — both part-timers and full-timers not on a tenure track — represented only 43 percent of professors, according to the professors association, which has studied data reported to the federal Education Department. Currently, the association says, they account for nearly 70 percent of professors at colleges and universities, both public and private. &quot;   Getting rid of tenure at strictly public universities would have prevented distinguished faculty such as C. N. Yang at SUNY Stony Brook and the accompanying loss of grant money that these &quot;stars&quot; attract as well as alumni contributions due to the staure and pride in their alma mater and exemplary university applicants.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinaps:  Public university jobs are increasingly being done by adject faculty. From the NY Times:<br />
&#8220;The shift from a tenured faculty results from financial pressures, administrators’ desire for more flexibility in hiring, firing and changing course offerings, and the growth of community colleges and regional public universities focused on teaching basics and preparing students for jobs.  It has become so extreme, however, that some universities are pulling back, concerned about the effect on educational quality.<br />
Three decades ago, adjuncts — both part-timers and full-timers not on a tenure track — represented only 43 percent of professors, according to the professors association, which has studied data reported to the federal Education Department. Currently, the association says, they account for nearly 70 percent of professors at colleges and universities, both public and private. &#8220;   Getting rid of tenure at strictly public universities would have prevented distinguished faculty such as C. N. Yang at SUNY Stony Brook and the accompanying loss of grant money that these &#8220;stars&#8221; attract as well as alumni contributions due to the staure and pride in their alma mater and exemplary university applicants.   </p>
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		<title>By: GC</title>
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		<dc:creator>GC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sinaps:  Public university jobs are increasingly being done by adject faculty. From the NY Times: 
&quot;The shift from a tenured faculty results from financial pressures, administrators’ desire for more flexibility in hiring, firing and changing course offerings, and the growth of community colleges and regional public universities focused on teaching basics and preparing students for jobs.  It has become so extreme, however, that some universities are pulling back, concerned about the effect on educational quality. 
Three decades ago, adjuncts — both part-timers and full-timers not on a tenure track — represented only 43 percent of professors, according to the professors association, which has studied data reported to the federal Education Department. Currently, the association says, they account for nearly 70 percent of professors at colleges and universities, both public and private. &quot;   Getting rid of tenure at strictly public universities would have prevented distinguished faculty such as C. N. Yang at SUNY Stony Brook and the accompanying loss of grant money that these &quot;stars&quot; attract as well as alumni contributions due to the staure and pride in their alma mater and exemplary university applicants.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinaps:  Public university jobs are increasingly being done by adject faculty. From the NY Times:<br />
&#8220;The shift from a tenured faculty results from financial pressures, administrators’ desire for more flexibility in hiring, firing and changing course offerings, and the growth of community colleges and regional public universities focused on teaching basics and preparing students for jobs.  It has become so extreme, however, that some universities are pulling back, concerned about the effect on educational quality.<br />
Three decades ago, adjuncts — both part-timers and full-timers not on a tenure track — represented only 43 percent of professors, according to the professors association, which has studied data reported to the federal Education Department. Currently, the association says, they account for nearly 70 percent of professors at colleges and universities, both public and private. &#8220;   Getting rid of tenure at strictly public universities would have prevented distinguished faculty such as C. N. Yang at SUNY Stony Brook and the accompanying loss of grant money that these &#8220;stars&#8221; attract as well as alumni contributions due to the staure and pride in their alma mater and exemplary university applicants.   </p>
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		<title>By: tft</title>
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		<dc:creator>tft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And money is not necessary for mayoral elections.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And money is not necessary for mayoral elections.</p>
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		<title>By: flerpo</title>
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		<dc:creator>flerpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You are going on the assumption that administrators and supervisors act in the best interests of students&#039; education, and if they are given greater powers they will use it to the greater benefit of students&#039; learning.&quot;

Not making that assumption at all, Burned.  I&#039;m asking the very preliminary question of what the costs of tenure are.  The next question is whether it&#039;s worth those costs.  Part of that question probably implicates what you&#039;re saying about management.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are going on the assumption that administrators and supervisors act in the best interests of students&#8217; education, and if they are given greater powers they will use it to the greater benefit of students&#8217; learning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not making that assumption at all, Burned.  I&#8217;m asking the very preliminary question of what the costs of tenure are.  The next question is whether it&#8217;s worth those costs.  Part of that question probably implicates what you&#8217;re saying about management.</p>
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		<title>By: Burned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are going on the assumption that administrators and supervisors act in the best interests of students&#039; education, and if they are given greater powers they will use it to the greater benefit of students&#039; learning.  In my 21 years in the system   I have found that - overall although certainly not in every case - management is crazier, more prejudiced, more ignorant, and cares less about the students and their education than the teachers they manage.  I am therefore convinced that giving them more unrestrained power would actually degrade and worsen students&#039; education. Can we come up with some ways of improving supervisors and administrators?  This is a gigantic problem.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are going on the assumption that administrators and supervisors act in the best interests of students&#8217; education, and if they are given greater powers they will use it to the greater benefit of students&#8217; learning.  In my 21 years in the system   I have found that &#8211; overall although certainly not in every case &#8211; management is crazier, more prejudiced, more ignorant, and cares less about the students and their education than the teachers they manage.  I am therefore convinced that giving them more unrestrained power would actually degrade and worsen students&#8217; education. Can we come up with some ways of improving supervisors and administrators?  This is a gigantic problem.  </p>
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		<title>By: flerpo</title>
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		<dc:creator>flerpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Burned:  

Any intelligent debate about tenure (not saying that most debates about tenure are intelligent) comes down to weighing the costs and benefits of procedural protections for teachers.  I&#039;m not in a profession that uses tenure.  In my profession, people get &quot;let go&quot; all the time, and in my experience they&#039;re fired for one of two reasons:  (1) performance or (2) economics.  That said, do I wish there were rules that made it more difficult to fire me, even for performance/economics reasons?  Heck yes, I would.  Why? Because it benefits me, and I tend to accept things that benefit me, as long as I&#039;m not hurting somebody else.  The awful truth, though, is that in those situations, I&#039;m probably not the best judge of whether I&#039;m hurting somebody else.  And given that money, resources, jobs, etc. are not infinite, a benefit received by Peter is a benefit that can&#039;t be received by Paul.  If Paul&#039;s an honest, hardworking, nice guy, should that matter?  If Paul&#039;s a corporation with publicly traded shares, should that matter? Does the answer end the analysis, or does it just make it more complicated?  It usually isn&#039;t clear, which is why it&#039;s debatable. So I accept that the procedural protections of tenure make it more likely that a teacher facing termination will be treated fairly than would be the case without tenure.  I also accept that tenure protections are good for teachers.  But are they good in general?  Are they good for children?  Sometimes things that seem good in isolation aren&#039;t good in practice because the costs they would impose are too high.  One example economists like to give is automobile safety.  Most people would agree with the statement that one death from auto accidents is too many deaths. And car manufacturers could make dramatically safer cars, and legislatures could enact dramatically lower speed limits, and law enforcement could enforce them with dramatically higher penalties.  But nobody wants to pay $200,000 for a budget sedan, and nobody wants a speed limit of 10 mph.  So we&#039;re willing to accept tens of thousands (or more, I have no idea) of deaths on the highway.So a discussion about tenure should start at the point of analyzing costs versus benefits.  It can&#039;t just be about vague invocations of fairness.  If fairness didn&#039;t cost anything, we wouldn&#039;t be having this discussion in the first place. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burned:  </p>
<p>Any intelligent debate about tenure (not saying that most debates about tenure are intelligent) comes down to weighing the costs and benefits of procedural protections for teachers.  I&#8217;m not in a profession that uses tenure.  In my profession, people get &#8220;let go&#8221; all the time, and in my experience they&#8217;re fired for one of two reasons:  (1) performance or (2) economics.  That said, do I wish there were rules that made it more difficult to fire me, even for performance/economics reasons?  Heck yes, I would.  Why? Because it benefits me, and I tend to accept things that benefit me, as long as I&#8217;m not hurting somebody else.  The awful truth, though, is that in those situations, I&#8217;m probably not the best judge of whether I&#8217;m hurting somebody else.  And given that money, resources, jobs, etc. are not infinite, a benefit received by Peter is a benefit that can&#8217;t be received by Paul.  If Paul&#8217;s an honest, hardworking, nice guy, should that matter?  If Paul&#8217;s a corporation with publicly traded shares, should that matter? Does the answer end the analysis, or does it just make it more complicated?  It usually isn&#8217;t clear, which is why it&#8217;s debatable. So I accept that the procedural protections of tenure make it more likely that a teacher facing termination will be treated fairly than would be the case without tenure.  I also accept that tenure protections are good for teachers.  But are they good in general?  Are they good for children?  Sometimes things that seem good in isolation aren&#8217;t good in practice because the costs they would impose are too high.  One example economists like to give is automobile safety.  Most people would agree with the statement that one death from auto accidents is too many deaths. And car manufacturers could make dramatically safer cars, and legislatures could enact dramatically lower speed limits, and law enforcement could enforce them with dramatically higher penalties.  But nobody wants to pay $200,000 for a budget sedan, and nobody wants a speed limit of 10 mph.  So we&#8217;re willing to accept tens of thousands (or more, I have no idea) of deaths on the highway.So a discussion about tenure should start at the point of analyzing costs versus benefits.  It can&#8217;t just be about vague invocations of fairness.  If fairness didn&#8217;t cost anything, we wouldn&#8217;t be having this discussion in the first place. </p>
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		<title>By: Burned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To make a complaint, you only need an allegation.  However, what we are discussing is overturning a discontinuance and/or a revocation of license.  You said &quot;unless the reason is the teacher&#039;s age, race, religious beliefs . . &quot;  However, what you really meant is &quot;unless the teacher can provide evidence the reason is the teacher&#039;s age, race, etc.&quot;    I fully understant the need for evidence.  Tenure requires that the administrator provide evidence that the teacher is incompetent before discontinuance.  As YOU say, &quot;there&#039;s a fairly good reason that evidence is necessary.&quot;  You understand why evidence is necessary to prove the case against the boss.  But you don&#039;t understand why it is necessary to prove the case against the teacher.  A little lacking in fairness here.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To make a complaint, you only need an allegation.  However, what we are discussing is overturning a discontinuance and/or a revocation of license.  You said &#8220;unless the reason is the teacher&#8217;s age, race, religious beliefs . . &#8220;  However, what you really meant is &#8220;unless the teacher can provide evidence the reason is the teacher&#8217;s age, race, etc.&#8221;    I fully understant the need for evidence.  Tenure requires that the administrator provide evidence that the teacher is incompetent before discontinuance.  As YOU say, &#8220;there&#8217;s a fairly good reason that evidence is necessary.&#8221;  You understand why evidence is necessary to prove the case against the boss.  But you don&#8217;t understand why it is necessary to prove the case against the teacher.  A little lacking in fairness here.  </p>
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		<title>By: flerpo</title>
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		<dc:creator>flerpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 17:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an increasingly popular talking-point response to the misleading assertion that tenure means a &quot;job for life.&quot;  &quot;Not true,&quot; the response goes, &quot;tenure is nothing more than due process.&quot;

Well, ok. But people who are unfamiliar with that process should know what that means. And as the tenure debate continues, you can expect that a more nuanced critique of tenure, which responds to the &quot;due process&quot; argument, will develop and settle in among the other talking points of the anti-tenure crowd.First, &quot;due process&quot; in this context shouldn&#039;t be confused with constitutional due process.  The process that&#039;s &quot;due&quot; before a tenured NYC teacher can be terminated comes from NY state law, enacted by heavily lobbied NY state legislators.  Due process, in most cases, is full-blown litigation.  It culminates with an evidentiary hearing before a panel of arbitrators with a court reporter present.  Before you get to that point, you have subpoenas, requests for document production, depositions, full motion practice -- the works.  If, after all of this, the panel rules against a teacher, the teacher can appeal the decision in NY state court. This process can take years in some cases.  I&#039;ve read that the average case takes about one year, and costs about $200,000 (a taxpayer expense).  I don&#039;t know firsthand, but I&#039;m an attorney familiar with arbitration and that timeframe seems about right to me.  Quantifying costs can be difficult when you&#039;re dealing with salaried attorneys rather than outside counsel who bill, and there&#039;s certainly some analysis that was done to derive the $200k figure, but that doesn&#039;t mean the analysis is necessarily unreliable.  So is tenure a &quot;guaranteed job for life&quot;?  Certainly not.Is it difficult to fire a tenured teacher?  Depends what planet you&#039;re living on.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an increasingly popular talking-point response to the misleading assertion that tenure means a &#8220;job for life.&#8221;  &#8221;Not true,&#8221; the response goes, &#8220;tenure is nothing more than due process.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, ok. But people who are unfamiliar with that process should know what that means. And as the tenure debate continues, you can expect that a more nuanced critique of tenure, which responds to the &#8220;due process&#8221; argument, will develop and settle in among the other talking points of the anti-tenure crowd.First, &#8220;due process&#8221; in this context shouldn&#8217;t be confused with constitutional due process.  The process that&#8217;s &#8220;due&#8221; before a tenured NYC teacher can be terminated comes from NY state law, enacted by heavily lobbied NY state legislators.  Due process, in most cases, is full-blown litigation.  It culminates with an evidentiary hearing before a panel of arbitrators with a court reporter present.  Before you get to that point, you have subpoenas, requests for document production, depositions, full motion practice &#8212; the works.  If, after all of this, the panel rules against a teacher, the teacher can appeal the decision in NY state court. This process can take years in some cases.  I&#8217;ve read that the average case takes about one year, and costs about $200,000 (a taxpayer expense).  I don&#8217;t know firsthand, but I&#8217;m an attorney familiar with arbitration and that timeframe seems about right to me.  Quantifying costs can be difficult when you&#8217;re dealing with salaried attorneys rather than outside counsel who bill, and there&#8217;s certainly some analysis that was done to derive the $200k figure, but that doesn&#8217;t mean the analysis is necessarily unreliable.  So is tenure a &#8220;guaranteed job for life&#8221;?  Certainly not.Is it difficult to fire a tenured teacher?  Depends what planet you&#8217;re living on.   </p>
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		<title>By: Mandmorelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandmorelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tenure means due process.  Their jobs are not etched in stone.  They can be let go if they do notdo their jobs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tenure means due process.  Their jobs are not etched in stone.  They can be let go if they do notdo their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: flerpo</title>
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		<dc:creator>flerpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. call an employment discrimination attorney and ask the same questions that non-teachers ask.

2. the attorney will tell you that you don&#039;t need to prove your case in a complaint. you only need to allege it.  

3. how does the teacher know the reason was discrimination?  there&#039;s a fairly good reason that evidence is necessary.

4. evidence need not be a smoking gun. it can be circumstantial. ask the employment discrimination attorney about this. 

5. do you think teachers are the victims of discrimination more often than other workers? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. call an employment discrimination attorney and ask the same questions that non-teachers ask.</p>
<p>2. the attorney will tell you that you don&#8217;t need to prove your case in a complaint. you only need to allege it.  </p>
<p>3. how does the teacher know the reason was discrimination?  there&#8217;s a fairly good reason that evidence is necessary.</p>
<p>4. evidence need not be a smoking gun. it can be circumstantial. ask the employment discrimination attorney about this. </p>
<p>5. do you think teachers are the victims of discrimination more often than other workers? </p>
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		<title>By: Burned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How does the teacher prove the reason was discrimination?  Do you know how the teacher is supposed to do that?  The teacher needs a &quot;smoking gun,&quot; the administrator has to be fool enough to put into writing that the reason is the illegal one.  Good luck with that.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does the teacher prove the reason was discrimination?  Do you know how the teacher is supposed to do that?  The teacher needs a &#8220;smoking gun,&#8221; the administrator has to be fool enough to put into writing that the reason is the illegal one.  Good luck with that.  </p>
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		<title>By: Madge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 02:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mayoral control is antidemocratic.  The mayor appoints his chancellor of schools and they appoint the schoolboard.  The citizens of the community have zero democratic say in the process and in how their neighborhood schools are fun with tax monies. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mayoral control is antidemocratic.  The mayor appoints his chancellor of schools and they appoint the schoolboard.  The citizens of the community have zero democratic say in the process and in how their neighborhood schools are fun with tax monies. </p>
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		<title>By: RLaitres</title>
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		<dc:creator>RLaitres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 02:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of us know teachers in the New York public school sytem and it is being managed by &quot;bean counters&quot;, something which Bloomberg is and surrounds himself with the same type of individuals.  &quot;Bean counting&quot; management always leads to shoddy products, be those material things or education.  Some of us thought that went away, guess not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of us know teachers in the New York public school sytem and it is being managed by &#8220;bean counters&#8221;, something which Bloomberg is and surrounds himself with the same type of individuals.  &#8220;Bean counting&#8221; management always leads to shoddy products, be those material things or education.  Some of us thought that went away, guess not.</p>
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		<title>By: skibby3</title>
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		<dc:creator>skibby3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 02:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mayoral control MUST come to an end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mayoral control MUST come to an end.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandmmorelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandmmorelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Mayor, at most times lately, is a major vindictive asshole.  He has been trying to break the teachers union for years.  All tenure does is grant teachers due process.  Administrators must do their jobs to follow through on dismissing teachers.  Teachers with tenure can be fired.  Some should be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mayor, at most times lately, is a major vindictive asshole.  He has been trying to break the teachers union for years.  All tenure does is grant teachers due process.  Administrators must do their jobs to follow through on dismissing teachers.  Teachers with tenure can be fired.  Some should be.</p>
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		<title>By: flerpo</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2011/08/03/bloomberg-declares-tenure-is-not-needed-in-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-359957</link>
		<dc:creator>flerpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 23:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Without tenure, any teacher could be fired at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all.&quot;

unless the reason is the teacher&#039;s age, race, religious beliefs, ethnicity, gender, disability, sexual orientation, or marital status, for starters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Without tenure, any teacher could be fired at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>unless the reason is the teacher&#8217;s age, race, religious beliefs, ethnicity, gender, disability, sexual orientation, or marital status, for starters.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinaps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinaps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We must get rid of tenure in our public universities.  All deadwood faculty should be fired, the tax payers must not pay for these losers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must get rid of tenure in our public universities.  All deadwood faculty should be fired, the tax payers must not pay for these losers.</p>
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		<title>By: flerpo</title>
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		<dc:creator>flerpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Bloomberg is a criminal parasite, who bought and greased his way to an illegal third term after an appalling first two&quot;

thank you for rendering the words &quot;criminal&quot; and &quot;illegal&quot; meaningless. hopefully we won&#039;t have any need to use those terms anymore.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bloomberg is a criminal parasite, who bought and greased his way to an illegal third term after an appalling first two&#8221;</p>
<p>thank you for rendering the words &#8220;criminal&#8221; and &#8220;illegal&#8221; meaningless. hopefully we won&#8217;t have any need to use those terms anymore.  </p>
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