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Tech-savvy principals give muted response to seat-time change

Principals are grappling with the implications of a state policy change that allows them to award credit for shorter courses that students take online.

A regulation passed in June by the Board of Regents allows city high schools to award credit in online courses or blended learning courses, where the class is conducted partly online and partly in a traditional classroom setting, regardless of how much time students actually spend in the classes. City Department of Education officials lobbied the Regents in support of the change.

A dozen principals discussed the new regulations today at the meeting of a monthly panel led by Alisa Berger and Sarah Scrogin, two principals who have spearheaded activities within the Innovation Zone, the DOE’s subset of technology-centered schools. (Notably, Berger’s high school, the iSchool, and Scrogin’s, East Bronx Academy for the Future, have worked together in the past on intra-city distance learning classes.)

As members of the Innovation Zone’s selective iLearn cohort, which numbered 40 last year but is jumping to 127 this fall, the principals who attend the monthly meetings have used technology to reshaped their schedules, supplies, and teachers’ workloads. When it comes to using technology to change teaching and learning, the principals usually have a lot to say.

But when Scrogin asked them how they were thinking about responding to the change in seat time rules, they were quiet.

Then the questions began. Would any online course count? (Yes.) And blended learning classes too? (Yes, again.) What does online learning look like inside a school? (That’s complicated, and pretty much up to principals.)

Schools at the vanguard of using technology have embraced the change. At the iSchool, Berger is considering asking her teachers to upload videos of their “mini-lesson” each day and requiring students to view it before coming to class. That way, direct instruction can take place outside of seat time and teachers can use time in school to work with groups of students formed around their shared comprehension — or lack thereof — of the day’s lesson.

But other principals expressed concerns about implementing the new policy. Some argued that some classes, such as gym, are best conducted offline. Others worried about making changes that would later be deemed unacceptable by the city or state. One pointed to recent news reports of schools that have been shown to have awarded credit to students who did not deserve it and worried that their schools would be lumped together. Another said she is already running a “three-ring circus” and could not imagine launching a completely new program.

And a middle school principal argued that the emphasis on seat time — the agenda of today’s meeting only because of the recent policy change — feels misplaced. She worried aloud that her school would be excluded from iLearn efforts that are focused on maximizing the change, because her students face no seat time requirement at all.

Taking advantage of the change won’t be easy, but it is important, Scrogin told the principals.

“It would be bad if we pushed hard to get the waiver and then we didn’t use it,” she said.

Berger said she thought the principals’ uncertainty not from a lack of interest but from the experience of suddenly being faced with a set of options that were impossible just a few weeks ago.

“Everyone sees it as an opportunity,” she said. “But it’s been there for so long. Now we’re starting to think — now that we’ve gotten rid of this arcane rule.”

  • Pogue

    Short online courses to graduate high school, short online courses to help in remedial college classes, short online courses to help college graduation…

    Yep, we’re gonna’ climb that global competition ladder and pass all those countries ahead of us in the education field.

    Finland must be shaking its head.

  • I noticed that…

    Finland is most likely saying that America does not understand education and that online learning will be the cause of our nation’s setback. 

  • Rorysparrowed

    We have the online courses at my school where the kids get crdits for whatever classes they “take online.”  Only problem is that either other students log into other students accounts and do it for them or they work in groups and just push right through the work, or tests online.  It’s actually so funny that students can’t even believe they’re allowed to do this.  Several students I have said to me that they were shocked that they can get all these credits for never even being in a classroom and having others take the online info and shoot through the multipe choice exams online.  What a freakin joke!  This system is finished!!!!! 

  • 15 Year Vet

    The truth about how this works out in schools is that teachers are pressured to pass kids who have almost never been in class while administrators award credit for incomplete online learning.  Keep watering down the expectations on students out of the left side of your mouth and talking about college readiness out of the right.  Let’s see where we stand in ten years.

  • Anonymous

    Any teacher willing to talk or write something about the credit recovery system at your school, please contact me off line at leonie@att.net
    thanks!

  • http://pissedoffteeacher.blogspot.com Online Education Is A Farce

    We had a credit recovery program at my school as well.  At first kids were going to be required to do two sets of problems, 100 questions in each set and show proof they did it themselves by taking a quiz in front of the person in charge.  But, it was too much for the kids to do.  Many of them, all weak students had multiple assignments in addition to their other classwork.  The 200 questions was reduced to 75 and no proof was necessary. Kids who had gotten 50′s the term before and knew nothing were now being awarded credit. I was told by many that friends did the assignments for them.  It ISS assistant principal had tutors available to do assignments with her students and she made no secret out of letting them do them on the smart board during class time.  One girl even told me she was told to sign in to her gym class and then go do credit recovery with a tutor.  It is a sham.  I could go on, but you get my point.

  • Mrs. T.

    From my own personal experience taking a few online college courses, I can say that online courses are not even CLOSE to being the same learning experience as a real class, and I was a motivated, capable adult with a desire to learn the material. I learned virtually nothing in those classes. Even if these online classes are on the level, which I can assure you, most of them are not, it still pales in comparison to the personal and interactive learning experience in the classroom. Besides, aren’t our kids poorly socialized enough? Don’t they spend enough time in front of a screen as it is? 

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