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Carefully Taught

“Would you become a teacher?” “No way.”

Last month I wrote about how readily some of my students will link their disruptive or disrespectful behavior to their race or the race of their teacher. One student, Joseph, called me courageous for, as a white teacher, “coming in to teach us black kids every day.” When I inquired as to what he meant by this, he explained that he didn’t mean to say the word “black”; he essentially used his race to describe a constellation of disruptive, irresponsible, and disrespectful behaviors that both he and his classmates often exhibited when they were bored or otherwise unmotivated in class. (My post elicited numerous recommendations from educators to develop a lesson around internalized oppression, which I have done.)

Now I want to delve deeper into my students’ attitudes toward race and teaching, which have implications that reach far beyond my students’ behavior to some of the most important education policy debates going on in New York City today.

A few days after my conversation with Joseph, the class was still working on the assignment that had inspired his comment: an essay about someone they know who demonstrates courage. A Yemeni student, chin in hand, was at a loss for a subject.

“Don’t you know anyone who shows courage?” I asked her. This particular student has a great sense of irony and its delivery; she peered to one side and the other, looked at me, and pointed at my nose.

“Why does everyone want to write about me?!” I exclaimed in mock exasperation, making her laugh and hiding that I was flattered. I hoped my attitude would bring her out of her shell enough to start writing.

“Because it’s true,” her neighbor, Danny, piped up. I’ve said before that my students are the most sophisticated race scholars I’ve ever met, and this is a great example. “If you’ll notice,” he said in a professorial tone, “kids would never behave this way [most of the class was off-task and not writing at the time] in front of certain teachers in our school.” He went on to name several non-white Kurt Hahn teachers and insist that it was their race — not their management style — that led most to their success. “It’s been that way since elementary school,” he said matter-of-factly. “We behave better when the teacher looks like us.”

“So what you’re saying,” I asked, “is that black and brown students will perform better in school if we have more black and brown teachers?”

“Yes.”

“So then, what you’re saying is that more of you need to become teachers.”

Now it was Danny’s turn to dart his eyes back and forth ironically before turning their bright glint on me again. “Never,” he said, laughing bashfully at himself. He ducked his head over his desk and picked up his pen, trying to hide his deep blush and end the conversation.

“Do you realize that you have just pinpointed one of the most controversial issues in New York City education?” I asked him. “This is a vicious cycle: we have a need for teachers, so the city brings in Teaching Fellows and Teach For America corps members, most of whom are from out-of-state and are white, so kids don’t want to learn from them, but then they also have no interest in becoming teachers because they see how teachers get treated …”

Unfortunately, Danny stopped listening a long time ago—about when I stopped asking him questions about himself and his peers. Sensitizing myself again to the developmental needs of the adolescent in front of me, I asked if he’d be willing to write down everything he just said for an online column I’m writing about race and education in New York City.

“I will think about it, Ms. Lustick,” he says politely. (In case you don’t speak Teen, that means, “Hell no.”)

I returned repeatedly to Danny’s comment throughout the day. Of course it was countered by thoughts of so many incredible white teachers I have known, teachers whose sage intuition won students’ trust in an instant or whose demeanor challenged stereotypes so harshly that students forgot about race altogether. Isn’t putting any weight on race a bit, well, racist?

The truth is, Danny’s comment is relevant to conversations I’ve been having with Teaching Fellows, Teach for America corps members, and other alternative certification veterans of New York’s city schools. Like me, a white teacher who is an outsider in the community where I teach, they moved to New York to become teachers. We all chose teaching and this city for a political reason, to help close the education gap (what some, as if the fault lay in our students, call the “achievement gap”). And yet we worry often about the implications of this work being done by white outsiders. We worry about the image we create when we, as one white TFA colleague at another school put it, “ride in on a white horse every day” to save our students from their own neighborhoods. It’s as if we’ve come to save them from themselves. These programs already come under harsh scrutiny for placing young, inexperienced (yes, largely white and middle- to upper-middle-class) teachers in urban classes of mostly non-white students. If more of these non-white students went on to become teachers themselves, could we lessen the need for outsiders?

As a teacher, I don’t have the time or resources to conduct the major investigation necessary to answer this question (Who does? The UFT. Check out the union’s investigation of the decline in minority hires in the city’s public teaching force since Klein and Bloomberg took office.) I can support Danny’s conjecture only by offering his classmates’ agreement: Danny’s vow to “never” become a teacher is echoed by two young women who have readily taken on minor teaching roles in my sixth-period class. They reinforce my routines with more precision than I do, insisting on total silence before they will call on a student and flat-out berating any out-of-turn or disrespectful comments. Though they are as flirtatious and silly as any other sixteen year olds, when they get up to teach, the class responds as if they were adults. These young women agree they have the organizational skills and classroom presence of natural educators, but neither would ever consider teaching high school. Alissa, who is blunt and would probably make a kick-butt high school teacher, says flatly, “No way. I see how we treat you guys.”

A teacher who has attended a suburban high school, received a rigorous college education, and been accepted to an alternative certification program  has no idea what to expect in a New York City public school classroom. Unless s/he possesses that raw, natural talent for classroom presence and kid-connection that many of them do, s/he will (at least for a period of time) look for all the world like another clueless white person con the proverbial white horse. To protect my own pride, I’m going to be careful to separate teachers’ image from intention: Their lack of familiarity — connected to or disconnected from their race — leads these teachers to fit the profile of someone my students will disrespect and not want to emulate. They — we — have to work hard to to develop a persona that our students can respect, which might take years.

Recall what students are, meanwhile, not seeing: role models of teachers of color from their community returning to teach them, infusing the structures they need to succeed with the cultural tones and signals that will make them feel self-edifying and not submissive to the white man. Of course, this is where the “vicious cycle” is most vicious: Because she doesn’t see strong teacher role models like herself, Alissa dismisses the entire profession as one unworthy of respect, one undeserving of her intelligence and effort. But our most failing communities desperately need their youth to stay, to serve as role models for the next generation, whether or not they have had those role models during their own education.

To be a role model without having had a role model yourself takes courage. Most new urban teachers — whatever our educational background or race — will tell you that firsthand.

  • SoonToBeEx

    I have taught in NYC for almost 15 years. Next year will be my last even though I am not close to retirement age. I am tired of being treated like trash by too many people (a small but persistent group of kids, admins, the media, even a few parents) who have unrealistic expectations. I love most of my students but I refuse to let my job rest on their test scores. If my own child wants to become a teacher, she will have to pay her own way because I refuse to support a career choice that will be detrimental in the long run. There was a time when I enthusiastically endorsed my career, but no longer. Anyone who becomes a teacher now is making a bad choice for themselves.

  • A former Teacher

    I second soon ToBeEx completely.  It is bad enough that the working conditions are,(for the most part) horrible.  The administrators are unsupportive, uncommunicative, and at times not knowledgeable about content. The pay is inadequate.  Discipline in the school environment is sorely lacking.  Coupled with the the constant bashing and demonizing of teachers in the public sphere, one must really consider one’s mental state when deciding to become a teacher.  There is no need to get all these advanced degrees and certfications when ultimately you will be out of job in three years because you will be deemed too expensive.

  • Enoughisenough

    Thank you Bloomberg, Klein, Rhee, Gates, e4e, tfa, This is all I hear from experienced teachers they have had it. Who would get into this profession now?????

  • Mr. Shoop

    I’ve been teaching for 16 years and there is no way in the world that I would recommend to a person to enter the teaching profession today. Teaching as a life-long pursuit is being changed to a cheap, at will, job, made up primarily of folks on their way to a “real” career. Give thanks to TFA, Rhee, Bloomie, Klien, E4E, and all the other progressive hacks that are watering down the teaching profession. 

  • bookworm

    I thought I was the only one who said this to my kids. They have been told for a while that if they choose to go into education, we will not give them a dime of support. I am hoping to get 2 more years in to get fully vested, and then read the writing on the wall, and see where we are then. I really wanted to make it to full retirement, but the desk is so stacked against teachers that long term goals like that don’t seem realistic anymore.

  • Ruben

    I had a conversation with a friend about this same topic the other day. The lack of teachers of color is an often overlooked issue in the mainstream ed reform conversation, mainly I think, because conversations about race in this country are essentially taboo. I don’t think that white TFA or Teaching Fellows should be discouraged from teaching (of course as a white Teaching Fellow I’m biased) but I do think we have a serious problem when there are so few role models for our students with the same skin color, if not background. Nonetheless, I think that these classrooms we teach in need teachers who are dedicated, first and foremost, regardless of race. Otherwise it may become a slippery slope where we’re suggesting that privileged white kids should only teach white kids, and black kids should teach black kids. I know this isn’t what you’re saying, I just mean that finding a solution to this problem is tricky. Thanks for sharing.

  • http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com Norm

    Thousands of teachers of color were let go  just as BloomKlein took over due to licensing exam issues. They were often from the neighborhoods and came up through the career ladder from paraprofessionals. They were educated in the schools they ended up teaching in- probably not the top of the line education. They went to college part time. So of course they would never be accepted to TFA or even the Teaching Fellow program – not the ed deform vision of who should be in front of the class while they are/were a much better representative of people who could reach kids.

  • http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com Norm

    Thousands of teachers of color were let go  just as BloomKlein took over due to licensing exam issues. They were often from the neighborhoods and came up through the career ladder from paraprofessionals. They were educated in the schools they ended up teaching in- probably not the top of the line education. They went to college part time. So of course they would never be accepted to TFA or even the Teaching Fellow program – not the ed deform vision of who should be in front of the class while they are/were a much better representative of people who could reach kids.

  • John Thompson

    We can’t improve urban education, systemically without having conversations our moms taught us to avoid, and #1 is race,  As you write, kids are experts on parsing that subject.  Then we need a conversation on #2 electronic devices in school … just kidding, mostly. (I’ve been noticing in your sites teachers reflections the number of them that allow ear buds in ears) Then we need conversations about alternative schools and discipline.  Students were raising to run wild the second they hit middle school.  We do them no service by allowing anarchy for four or five years.  That being said, conversations bout race are rewaring.  Create credible disciplinary systems and we could all enjoy them.

  • John Thompson

    I meant to write that students weren’t raised to run wild when they hit middle school,and that conversations about race are rewarding.  By the way, my adopted daughter is a dynamic Black woman from extreme generational poverty and she taught in Bed Stuy.  She said NYC poverty is comparable but violence and racial conflict is worse in the Oklahoma schools where she taught..  The nonstop press to raise test scores drove her off.

  • Mdp65

    Why doesn’t this apply to Asian students?

  • Michael Fiorillo

    While I know GS prefers that people to write in a personal vein, your analysis might be helped if you looked at the institutional and ideological basis with which TFA operates, since, it’s smarmy rhetoric notwithstanding, it has little to do with improving the lives of children whom you revealingly say, live in “our most failing communities.” 

    Real radicals, not missionaries passing though to polish their badge of Social Awareness, would expand the circle of failure beyond the communities in which they teach. Meanwhile, the number of minority teachers in NYC sharply declines precisely when large numbers of young, (comparatively) affluent white teachers are brought to teach (for a while) in what are often rapidly gentrifying neighborhoods. How serendipitous.

    As for some of those classroom management issues, kids know when they’re being patronized, and act accordingly. And patronization, aside from union busting and aiding in the privatization of the schools, is a central component of TFA, no matter the idealism some of its recruits may bring.

  • Normelizabeth

    You are making me thnk hard thoughts. Role models critically important everywhere…. Not just your situation, but equally important in parenting, tacking responsibility, work ethics, etc. So question is how to we help fix this?
    EP

  • Teach25

    My own (yes white)Bronx raised children where taught by teachers of many ethnicities and races, with varying personalities and degrees of skill.  My children were taught to respect teachers and the school environment.  They were there to learn and have respect for themselves and others.  They are now college graduates doing well in life.  I think it is damaging and insulting to think black children always need black teachers.  As a teacher(white) in the Bronx, teaching where I grew up which is now homogeneously Black(mixed American and Caribbean), I absolutely think Black students must come into contact with people who are not the same as them.  My students live in a very insular Black world.  The white teachers in my school are the ONLY whites with which students come into personal contact on a daily basis.  Interestingly, when a student gets into trouble they will immediately say it is because they are black so I am picking on just them…..but in my school EVERY student is black…so obviously that isn’t the reason.  Students have used racially derogatory terms for whites frequently.  Parents will say to a white teacher …I don’t want a white teacher.  I want a black teacher”. Imagine if a white teacher voiced that concern about their race!  African Americans don’t particularly care for Jamaicans…Hispanics are derided….and the poor Muslim students..well it is not very pleasant.   Bottom line:   Let’s get our children to learn and accept human diversity.  Is that a novel idea?  Those innocent TFA from middle America may just have some interesting things to impart.  We need to raise our expectations for our urban youth!

  • ms. v.

    I think students benefit tremendously in so many aspects of their development from being taught by people who can serve as role models of a relevant cultural, ethnic, and gender background. Increasing the diversity of the teaching profession is essential, there’s no denying it.

    That said, I also think that when students behave better for certain teachers who may “look like them,” it is often actually about subtle ways that these teachers communicate authority and command respect, things that are hard to see but can be learned over time with many observations. Teachers who share some aspect of their students’ cultural backgrounds may do things, not even consciously, that cue the students to respond positively. Even to the students themselves, it may seem like kids are choosing to behave better due to the person’s race, but I’m just not convinced that’s the whole story.* I asked an African-American teacher with air-tight management for pointers during my first year of teaching. She claimed it was just “natural” and that she couldn’t share with me what she did. Yet after a year or two teaching among colleagues like her, I found myself able to speak to students in ways that were far more effective and to use subtle aspects of body language, tone of voice, and choice of words to get the responses that I sought. I still did not share my students’ background, but I was able to present myself to them in ways they respected.And don’t underestimate the value of reputation – even an experienced teacher can have a hard time at a new school, while a teacher returning for the 2nd, 3rd, 10th, or 15th year will be preceded by his or her reputation, and it turns out that garners a certain amount of respect right from the get-go. The longer you stay at a school, the more this pays off, assuming you have the basics of classroom management and treat students respectfully. 

    *I’m sure that older students especially probably do find that teachers from their own racial background are more likely to have experienced certain things, e.g. various forms of racism, which creates an understanding. So I don’t totally discount the notion that some students get along better with teachers who look like them – I just think it can easily be overstated.

  • Roma Giudetti

    Interesting. Some say it’s because Asians are a preferred minority here and don’t have the cultural baggage that Black and Latino students carry.  There are many studies that show, for example, how Korean students in Japan fair poorly just like Black and Latino students here.  I think there is a Japanese/Korean “achievement gap” like the one that exists here between White and Black students with Korean students underperforming in Japanese schools.  Koreans are mightily discriminated against in Japan and the history of Japanese/Korean relations is one of oppressor/oppressed.  It seems that when a group has been historically oppressed it can result in poor academic performance  for that group in the classroom for generations.

  • Roma Giudetti

    Interesting. Some say it’s because Asians are a preferred minority here and don’t have the cultural baggage that Black and Latino students carry.  There are many studies that show, for example, how Korean students in Japan fair poorly just like Black and Latino students here.  I think there is a Japanese/Korean “achievement gap” like the one that exists here between White and Black students with Korean students underperforming in Japanese schools.  Koreans are mightily discriminated against in Japan and the history of Japanese/Korean relations is one of oppressor/oppressed.  It seems that when a group has been historically oppressed it can result in poor academic performance  for that group in the classroom for generations.

  • Roma Giudetti

    I tell my children never to become teachers.  My husband says don’t tell them that, but I don’t want them to enter teaching.  It’s a thankless professions that gets no respect.  No one understands how difficult and complex it is.  I want them to go into professions where even if they don’t make a lot of money, their work is respected.

  • Roma Giudetti

    I tell my children never to become teachers.  My husband says don’t tell them that, but I don’t want them to enter teaching.  It’s a thankless professions that gets no respect.  No one understands how difficult and complex it is.  I want them to go into professions where even if they don’t make a lot of money, their work is respected.

  • Brooklynpaul

    Hilary, at least some of your conclusions do not follow from the evidence you present. Alissa did not say she didn’t respect your efforts or what you go through. Quite the opposite; she indicated clearly that she saw what you went through, which is why she was unwilling to do it. Your suggestion that most young people lack the courage to teach is closer to the mark.

    Also note that Danny, and so presumably Alissa as well, have been taught by several teachers of color, allowing Danny to comment on the difference in cooperation those teachers receive from him and his peers. They have some black role models, yet are still unwilling to join the profession.

    Why does this surprise you? Teaching in the public schools is just hard, and, by the way, I hear the same frustration from my black teaching colleagues as from my white ones. Teaching has never been for the faint of heart, and it never will be. I’ve been told any number of times by parents and by other adults, usually with a shake of the head, “I could never do what you do.” Nearly half of new teachers leave the profession in their first five years.

    When your students acknowledge that you are doing what they believe they could not, they are paying you a fine compliment. Believe it or not, YOU are a role model. Give it some time. Maybe a few of them will follow in your footsteps.

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