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At Columbia, Walcott says “poisonous debate” is hurting kids

Dennis Walcott at Teachers College.

In his first speech since being named chancellor, Dennis Walcott poured on the charm, asking everyone to “dial down the rhetoric” and giving no hints of any new reforms he’s planning.

Walcott spoke at Columbia University’s Teachers College on Saturday morning, filling in for ousted Chancellor Cathie Black, who was originally scheduled to speak as part of the day-long “academic festival.”

While Black quickly gained a reputation for verbal faux pas and blunt remarks, Walcott was warm and light, cracking jokes about his recent high-profile stint making waffles for students — and even jokingly flirting with the namesake of the morning lecture, Phyllis Kossoff.

Walcott’s charm even moved the crowd to applaud the much-maligned Black.

Carefully avoiding new policy announcements, Walcott focused most of his speech on trying to bridge different sides in the reform debate. He told the crowd about his childhood in Queens — noting that he grew up, and attended public schools, in the same borough as ex-Chancellor Joel Klein — and the role that great teachers had in his success.

“Unfortunately that’s not a storyline we hear as often as we should, especially when it comes to education,” Walcott said. “The conversation we hear about is poor versus the wealthy. Charter schools versus district schools. And who is to blame for the failures of our education system.

“People on both sides of this debate have been guilty of contributing to the current polarized atmosphere,” he said.

“The poisonous debate is hurting our children, plain and simple. And they don’t have time to wait for us to grow up,” he continued. “The problems facing our schools are extremely complicated. They can’t be summed up in 10-word sound-bites. And above all they can’t be solved until we start listening and working together.”

Walcott said he wants high-quality schools in the city, regardless of whether they’re traditional public schools or charter schools. “I want options. I love options. … I want people to be able to choose.”

Other highlights from Walcott’s speech:

  • He didn’t distance himself from previous administrations, saying he and Klein talked regularly and were “joined at the hip” — to the point that their wives wonder why they speak to each other so often. But he also talked up his relationship with union leaders, and especially UFT President Michael Mulgrew, as well. (Mulgrew has not exactly welcomed Walcott warmly.)
  • In an interview after Walcott’s speech, Teachers College professor Jeffrey Henig pointed out that Walcott mentioned his relationship with the unions much more than his relationship with Klein. “That was very important and welcome,” Henig said.
  • Walcott acknowledged that the “problems of poverty and education are deeply intertwined.”
  • He also said the “last-in, first-out” policy of seniority-based layoffs can’t be allowed “to remain on the books.” In response to an audience question, he shot down the argument that ending LIFO might result in principals laying off the best-paid teachers, saying — not completely accurately — that the way schools are funded gives principals no particular incentive to do so.
  • Walcott said “the jury is still out” on incentive pay, but indicated he “has some ideas” along those lines that he plans to raise with the union. He said he’s very open to “creative ways of paying our teachers.”
  • He pointedly declined an invitation from a teacher in the audience to visit her charter school in Philadelphia — which is part of the Mastery chain — saying he’ll be busy visiting New York City schools instead. In fact, Walcott said he plans to spend most of his time in the city’s schools—and that the press will need track shoes to keep up with him. “I’m an open book … I’m going to be accessible,” he also said.
  • Despite a conciliatory tone and lack of specifics, Walcott said Mayor Bloomberg’s education reforms aren’t dead and he won’t shy away from them. “I believe in tough decisions,” he said. “I don’t plan for a second to take my foot off the gas.”
  • Henig said that Walcott’s remarks — and the change from his predecessors in tone, style and approach to stakeholders — likely signal that he’ll assume a lower profile on the national level. “To me that’s suggesting, perhaps, a distinction from Chancellor Joel Klein and Michelle Rhee,” Henig said.

This story was produced by The Hechinger Report, a nonprofit, nonpartisan education-news outlet affiliated with the Hechinger Institute on Education and the Media, based at Teachers College, Columbia University.

  • Sick of Bloomberg

    New spreader, same old fertilizer.

  • Jodama

    So basically, it doesn’t matter if the policies of Klein and Bloomberg have not resulted in a better system. In fact, the system appears more unequal than ever. The boasted rise in test scores was a dream and the graduation rate is based on credit recovery policies. As far as merit pay goes the WaPo Answer Sheet just ran a column asking the Arlington School district (where Duncan’s kids go) and Sidwell Friends, host to the Obama daughters, about tying merit to teacher pay and I pasted the response they got.

    • Arlington school district teacher, March 31, 2011::

    “We do not tie teacher evaluations to scores in the Arlington public school system.”

    • Sidwell Friends faculty member, April 1, 2011:

    “We don’t tie teacher pay to test scores because we don’t believe them to be a reliable indicator of teacher effectiveness.”

    The new chancellor is going to “deepen the reforms” of Klein and Bloomberg whether they worked or not and whether or not people want them. I ask over and over, what do our elected officials intend to do? Why is the mayor still in charge of the schools?

  • Michael M. (parent still)

    The rhetoric of the debate is not what affects the kids; it’s the lack of civility of the policies. Walcott doesn’t plan to take his foot off the gas? Nuff said. I am un-charmed.

    When kids at PS 41 showed up at a before-school rally Friday to save TWELVE of their teachers, and thousands citywide, it matters not whether the bomb gets dropped by Chancellor A, or Chancellor B, or Chancellor C. Either way, they’re just yes-men under mayoral control; it remains Boomberg (sic) who gives the orders decimating the schools.

    Kids deserve waffles. Adults should applaud Walcott for not waffling… then fight back with everything we’ve got.

    12 teachers, a quarter of the staff, facing the axe in an overcrowded school with a SEVENTY kid waitlist vs. “children first.” I see Orwell, not politeness. And where should THOSE parents “choose?”

    Sponsor a save-the-teachers rally at your school. Protest the still-inadequate proposed C(r)apital Plan. Tell Pharaoh Mike what you think about bricks without straw (and fewer bricks at that relative to the current adopted plan) coming at the expense of New Yorkers’ first-born through nth-born.

    Walk (to school) Like an Egyptian.

  • ASTRAKA

    “The poisonous debate is hurting our children, plain and simple. And they don’t have time to wait for us to grow up,” he continued. “The problems facing our schools are extremely complicated. They can’t be summed up in 10-word sound-bites. And above all they can’t be solved until we start listening and working together.”

    Mr Walcott, our school system needs a chancellor who is a philosopher and an educator. You, sir, are one of the members of the team that is destroying public education. I believe you will continue those policies to divide communities, divide schools into charters and public schools, divide teachers into young (excellent), and senior (lazy), divide workers into union and non-union.
    Regretfully you are neither a philosopher nor an educator.

  • michael

    By the way, where is the outspoken Al Sharpton while this dictator of a mayor is destroying the public educational system of NY City. He is probably benefiting from this master plan in some way, or form.

  • Michael Fiorillo

    Walcott is being disingenuous. The rancor he decries is the direct result of the shock doctrine policies he’s been so busy implementing. What’s toxic are the policies of the man he works for. Though Walcott was the ventriloquist behind Black (before they realized she was an embarrassment and kept her away from the press entirely), his script is handed to him from above, and he will not depart from it.

    Sure, he’s smoother. He pretends to listen. But as he himself says, he’s intent on accelerating the social vandalism – wasted and diverted resources, privatization of public policy and public facilities, communities intentionally pitted against each other, attacks on the professionalism and labor rights of teachers – that is the real legacy of corporate school reform.

  • Michael Fiorillo

    michael,

    Recall that Sharpton had his rather embarrassing issues with the IRS taken care of by the private equity form that former Chancellor Harold levy works for.

    Al cannot be bought, but he can be rented, albeit not cheaply, so they’ll probably have to pony up again in the future. But at that point the mayor can probably rely on him to do what he’s told on this one.

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  • Nyhistoryteacher

    This is the second time I have heard “poisonous debate.” Looks like city hall has their new talking points. Anyone who criticizes the mayors policies will be labeled uncivilized.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not “poisonous debate” that is hurting our kids; it’s the DOE’s poisonous policies: from increasing class size, damaging co-locations causing kids to lose their art rooms, music rooms, and libraries, the rampant overcrowding with Kindergarten waiting lists, the closing of schools and the overemphasis of test scores to the exclusion of everything else. Evidently Walcott would like parents to stop voicing their objections, and to just sit back and take it.

  • Pjg320

    Walcott is Bloomberg in drag until he backs away from the Klein/Bloomberg agenda, parents and teachers will continue to demonstrate, to advocate, to ridicule, Walcott must abandon 6100 teacher cuts, abolish the ATR pool, show teachers his concerned through action not parroting the Mayor’s failed policies.

  • James

    Let Chancellor Walcott turn to nothing other than the comment sections on Gotham Schools to point to one side of the poisonous debate. This particular comment section included and especially.

    Predictably and apparently not at all ironic to them, all the heavy hitters of that one side are posting here tonight…

  • Elizabeth

    I would not be surprised if many people commenting are correct that the entrenched powers in education reform are indeed using the “poisonous debate” line to silence people who reject their policies. But it is still a good idea for people who are anti-charter, pro-teacher, pro-union, pro-equality to tone down their righteous indignation; not because the other side of the debate inherently deserves respectful attention and has done their part in stimulating civility, but because it will help you WIN.

    You will not stop current trends in education reform by singing to the choir. Part of the reason anti-teacher, anti-public school rhetoric has gained so much traction is because it has been presented so slickly (Waiting for Superman), which helps insinuate specific ideas into the public consciousness. Now maybe I have the wrong impression because I depend too much on a single news source (Gotham Schools) for education news, but I feel that the other side of the debate has produced no counterpoints that have equally saturated public discourse. Instead, the other side of the debate continues to come across as petty and myopic. What a pity, because your voices do need to be heard.

  • James

    Bloomberg in drag? Makes about as much sense as parents and teachers “ridiculing” policies they don’t agree with. I wish I understood.

  • Michael M. (parent still)

    “How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!”
    – Samuel Adams.

  • James

    The reason the reform movement has gained so much traction isn’t because of slick marketing. It’s because the current K-12 school system can barely graduate 50% of its high school students, a number that is disproportionately lower for African American and Latino males.

    If this stat held true for kids who looked liked you, Leonie, Michael, or ME, you wouldn’t be spending any time arguing against reform. Instead, you’d be urgently fighting like mad to change things up.

  • James

    As if on cue…

  • Michael M. (parent still)

    Points well stated and considered, but I beg to differ. Per “1776,” the musical, “respectfully.”

    I would suggest the dominant side holds sway over the public consciousness not because their ideas are better, let alone empirically proven so… but because their wallets are fatter. The only skin I have in this game is our kids’ future; not my cronies’ financial interests.

    That the current state of public education is unacceptable — and not just to the deformers, to parents as well — does not mean the answer is to dismantle it and declare “Reformation accomplished.”

    Our voices are not unheard; they are outspent. And now demeaned for being impolite.

    e.g. How much is Bloomberg spending on an ad campaign continuing to hype his Mr. New York facade, and polish his tarnished Education Mayor credentials — in the face of a decade now of flat test scores, Chancellor Black eye, threatening to lay off thousands of teachers, and FALSELY boasting of spending “more” on schools when even the April revised proposed Cap Plan — albeit with less severe cuts than the Feb/March proposed — spend LESS? As a math proficiency problem for the next standardized test, only in Bloomberg’s topsy-turvy mirror could $11.1B be considered more than $11.7B. (The fourth estate has noted the cost of the ad buy…. but hasn’t bothered to fact-check the propaganda.)

    That’s myopic? Perhaps my alleged myopia is blinding me to the alleged pettiness. Now THAT would be ironic.

    In other news, Bloomberg is jamming a garbage dump into Hudson Square, where a school should go. This after a judge ruled the neighborhood had no “standing” to challenge a catalyst piece of the deal.

    Maybe we need a Michael Moore “Cast off the Kryptonite” counter-point?

  • Michael M. (parent still)

    Cue…
    But James, the debate is not over the disease, but the cure.
    By your logic, Robert Jackson is white, and Cathie Black was picked for her name.

  • Michael M. (parent still)

    James,
    Are you unaware that the anti-reform protests are quite integrated?
    Or that a number of pro-adminstration events have been “bus-troturfed?”

  • http://twitter.com/BNiche B

    I only wanted to make the point that talking is as much a part of fighting for or against any reform as “urgently fighting like mad to change things up”. That’s where the UFT rallies, Edusolidarity, Grassroots Education Movement, the Save Our Schools march in late July, and other initiatives all come in: providing the fight as much as the talking.

  • http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/ Norm

    Sure. Walcott has the nerve to talk about poisonous debate but throws LIFO on the table everywhere he goes- a major piece of the poisonous debate. Note that no matter where you hear an ed deformer nationwide – Tim Daly on NET Friday night – they MUST bring up LIFO. Like they had a meeting of Ed Deformers United and decided they all had to be on the same message.

  • http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/ Norm

    I see things differently Elizabeth. I think we need to mobilize our base first – by preaching to the choir which is still passive. I think the overwhelming majority of educators are anti ed deform but not activate enough in the war. So if inflamed rhetoric will work I’m all for it. I expect the excesses of the ed deformers which are inevitably growing, are already bringing along the fence sitters.

  • http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/ Norm

    Ahhh James pulling the race card. I guess you’ve missed the outrage coming from communities of color over Bloomberg ed policies. Maybe just a little bit of race bias on your part?

    When you say “current K-12 school system can barely graduate 50% of its high school students, a number that is disproportionately lower for African American and Latino males” you are talking about the new status ed deform. 9 years of Bloomberg, 16 years in Chicago. How long are you giving them before we see that the ed deform actually actually is more harmful to children of color than the evils of what went before? To you it is probably ok to give kids credit recovery and claim the grad rate is 65%.

  • Ellen

    I still hold by my earlier comment: this is an attack on women.

  • Koozy14

    Hey Dennis, the problem is not the rhetoric on both sides, it’s the educational policies that you and the mayor have been shoving down the public’s throat for 9 years. And it doesn’t help the “debate” when you keep telling everyone that the educational system was “dysfunctional” before Bloomturd took over. The system worked fine for me and my family before Bloomturd, as it did for you and your family.
    The reality is that Bloomtur and Joel Klown’s attempt at “we do educational reform better than anyone else spin” is failing. Black had to step down. Cuomo didn’t hand you guys LIFO on a silver platter. And all around you your “stats” are being debunked. Bloomturd and you are losing, and now you want consensus. Sun Zhu would be proud, but this is the begging of your end.

  • ThorLives

    Doesn’t Walcott understand he’s only got 2 years as chancellor? He’s OUT as soon as this nightmare administration is FINALLY GONE! Get these BUMS outta here. We need a real mayor with real understand of the educational system. We don’t need mayoral control.

  • old teach

    Walcott is a bigger phony than Bloomberg. He has sucked up to the elitist who had the big say in schools from his days on at the urban league. He is a for profit fraud who talks with the silver tongue but the words are there for one purpose, to enhance his lot in life. He will further the Bloomberg corporate business model the same model that has wrecked much on the economy.

  • Bonniepbl

    Whether its said softly or loudly, the ‘other side’ is to point to the source of socalled reform- that is, the hedge funders and all political interests that are antiunion and anti middle class because it impacts on their own wealth and standing. I think Mulgrew is framing our side very well, and the may 14 rally, with the title ,’take back our economy’ is perfect. On second thought, i feel we cant say it loudly enuf. And the root of the problem is….lack of real campaign finance reform!!!!!!!

  • Ellen

    Thor…….And which of the mayoral possible candidates has said that he/she will repeal Mayoral Control?

  • Bonniepbl

    ur point is valid- However, i feel that the current schools would be able to help if they werent hobbled by the testing that forces teachers to either hold back kids who come unprepared , or place them in special ed. Furthermore,there should be tracking so that those groups of kids that havent learned yet to read in fifth grade, are in classes, not necessarily spec ed, where they will still have the opportunity to learn to read.I feel that the addition of many of the phonics programs such as spalding is great. Combined with the whole language approach that brings in literature and vocabulary to enhance critical thinking and comprehension, we have a great start. All this is more likely to be seen with less testing, and more participation of teachers in the system, who know these to be truths.

    Finally, as a school social worker, i feel that the situation in our country, whereby the rich have gotten so much richer, making the cost of living and housing rise, has made it harder for poor families and working poor families to function. When families have mothers/fathers both working sometimes more than one job, i see an impoversihed homelife, with parents are not available to help their kids as they should by reading to them, organizing them, talking to them and guiding the.

    One more thing- Obama is wrong re college for all- we need good vocational programs with prestige and value.

  • Vote NO

    Ellen,

    Mayoral control of the schools for a mayor without 18 billion dollars, and “control” of every editorial board in the city, is not a responsibility many prospective mayoral candidates would “want on their plates.”

    Bloomberg has the aforementioned resources, and look at the political “headache” he is getting from the schools.

  • ThorLives

    Ellen ….. that’s how the next mayor will be elected honey!! All public sector employee unions to back this candidate. Are you on another planet??

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  • Jodama

    I agree with you up to a point. I think the Reformers, however, have now come across as trying to destroy the middle class safety net. Wisconsin has been very good for the anti-Reform movement. The idea that the free market and privatization are the ways to improve every aspect of American life is being met with skepticism – that’s basically the Reform philosophy. Education is a state-run monopoly – all state-run monopolies are bad and all free-market enterprises good. At one point that might have worked but I think people are more skeptical today about the ability of the market to make everything right.

  • Jodama

    James, this is a tired point at best. Charters and other reform remedies haven’t worked any better at educating the poorest kids – and that’s what we’re talking about here – the poorest kids. The U.S. education system is not a monolith – it’s purposefully different from town to town and within a city like NY from one neighborhood to another. The “crisis” in education, is in the poorest areas. Take my own family just anecdotally, all of my nieces and nephews went to public school. All of them went on to very good colleges. All of them now have very good jobs. This scenario is repeated over and over throughout the country. The poorest kids, the most vulnerable, however, are not doing well; but all of the ways in which schools could actually help these kids is ignored. Instead, make no mistake, the Reform movement is about cutting costs and corners with these very kids who need the most support from society.

  • Jodama

    Why is the mayor still in charge of the schools? What are our politicians doing to stop this tyranny and protect our schools and our children?

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  • Ellen

    In response to Jodama
    Nothing…….will it stay that way?

  • I noticed that…

    Rank and File might not have billions to spend in fighting Bloomberg. We all know that Bloomberg’s money is another Goliath. The working class’s only immediate action is to protest and have rallies. So as the Davids of the middle class and through solidarity of all the unions in NYC, we need to use media exposure through blogs, at rallies, protests, the union buying airtime to expose this mayor, have Juan Gonzalez do another article on the mayor’s unfair budget cuts, etc. We need to remind the public about Bloomberg’s underhanded, corrupted schemes such as the CityTime boondoggle that drained the city of $700 million. This is the crux of our money problem, also the squandering of money on the izone initiatives.

    We need to bring constant attention to the mayor’s schemes. Everyday, let’s bring it up! Don’t let this well-known corruption by the mayor and his cronies go into the archives.

    Mike Bloomberg covers for SAIC as 6 busted for 80 Million $ theft CityTime welcome to NYC Gov!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAFyLaeplms&feature=related

    City Time rip off
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/six_charged_in_citytime_rip_off_CpKbE5tdMoitQ0PKvmb8VJ

    Mike Bloomberg move over Rudy Giuliani SAIC CityTime Scandal MTA Peter Powers
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f2XuRDMMvo

    Giuliani and the others involved in the City Time corruption
    http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/01/26/2011-01-26_rudy_giuliani_may_be_under_extreme_scrutiny_in_2012_presidential_bid_because_of_.html#ixzz1CAHTBGQU

  • Jodama

    That’s the big question isn’t it? In my opinion, nothing’s being done because the next person to have the job wants mayoral control. If Christine Quinn runs, no one should forget that she paved the way for the mayor and her cronies on City Council to run for a third term against the wishes of the people of NYC.

  • John G

    Part of that agenda had been the media attacks and blitz. By walking back from that (calling for civility), Walcott isn’t just crying uncle, he’s offering a change in that agenda. Lots of us would gladly engage in these topics as meaningful discussion if it wasn’t for the rhetoric. Walcott has got to know that. That’s what makes him new… I don’t think he’s Bloomberg in drag at all … I think he’s a very new kind of animal.

  • Anonymous

    “People on both sides of this debate have been guilty of contributing to the current polarized atmosphere,” he said.

    “The poisonous debate is hurting our children, plain and simple. And they don’t have time to wait for us to grow up,” he continued.

    Souds great, but it’s totally disingenuous. Walcott’s sole intent is to continue with BloomKlein’s failing, poisonous and morally wrong policies. One side of the debate has truth and reasonability on its side, the other is being forced via money and various abuses
    of power. So, Walcott is really saying that those who are right should just quiet down while those in power pretend to listen as they force forward the same failed crap.

  • John G

    Regular teachers who don’t control the newspapers or the school system, but have nevertheless been dumped on and demoralized by those who do for months, if not years … and in a way that has never before occurred
    -and you call them heavy hitters.

    That’s awfully ridiculous.

  • Handsomenharlem

    let me help you. Appears to me that Pjg320 was trying to say that Walcott is a colored version of Bloomberg. The whole “drag comment” doesn’t make much sense UNLESS Pjg320 was getting at Walcott’s sexual preference which is questionable

  • John G

    I loved this speech!!

    Here we have one of the triumvirate (and it was him, and Bloomberg and Klein the whole while, let there be no doubt), who started this all out assault on teachers when he was BEHIND the scenes now getting in FRONT of the cameras and admitting that he can’t get away with this crap anymore … not while maintaining the credibility with the public that he so needs to move an agenda forward. This is awesome!

    So instead of attacking teachers or our union, he’s forced into the political position of making waffles and singing in a choir in this all out attempt to repair the damage done with parents and the community at large. This is double awesome (more so, as this is one of the things a chancellor SHOULD be doing in the first place -building relationships with the community, and being a cheerleader for the city’s public schools).

    There are 70 days left in the school year. One of the guys who creamed us for years is out. Another has no credibility (and can’t seem to even BUY it anymore!!) and the third is …long pause … making waffles and crying foul about the polarizing atmosphere!?!?! Meantime, ATRs are still working. Our pensions are secure. LIFO is in intact, as is the privacy of our colleagues’ names. This is so sooo awesome!!! I love it when the bad guys give up. Pass that sugar free syrup!

  • Joe294879

    Exactly. Why do you think in Wisconsin Walker did not go after the cops and firefighters. Men fight back when they feel their livelihood, there ability to care for their family, is threatened. Women just take it. Then they turn ass up and take some more.

  • Joe29792

    Mulgrew is a wuss. A total f..ing wuss. Like R Weingarten. Both of them ought to be thrown to the wolves.

  • Michael

    A little too late for behaving in a civil manner. Walcott is a PUPPET, and his master has burned all the bridges. There will be little forward movement in putting together real and sincere reforms in education until Bloomberg and his cronies are out of office. Until then, hold your nose.

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