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		<title>By: High School Discharges Revisited &#124; Class Size Matters High School Discharges Revisited &#124; A clearinghouse for information on class size &#38; the proven benefits of smaller classes</title>
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		<dc:creator>High School Discharges Revisited &#124; Class Size Matters High School Discharges Revisited &#124; A clearinghouse for information on class size &#38; the proven benefits of smaller classes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 01:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] searches by DOE, 10-15% should have been reported as dropouts.  For more on the audit, see Gotham Schools, NYC Public School Parents, Empire State News, NY TImes Cityroom and Queens [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] searches by DOE, 10-15% should have been reported as dropouts.  For more on the audit, see Gotham Schools, NYC Public School Parents, Empire State News, NY TImes Cityroom and Queens [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My school is on the PLA list and we will have to go through the transformation or turnaround model come September... our school reported discharged students the honest way, so I can&#039;t help but think we&#039;re going to be losing our jobs because my school didn&#039;t report drop out fraudulently.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My school is on the PLA list and we will have to go through the transformation or turnaround model come September&#8230; our school reported discharged students the honest way, so I can&#8217;t help but think we&#8217;re going to be losing our jobs because my school didn&#8217;t report drop out fraudulently.   </p>
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		<title>By: Koozy14</title>
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		<dc:creator>Koozy14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is just the tip of the iceberg. Factor in the bogus &quot;Credit Recovery&quot; programs that the DOE allows to run in high schools where kids get credit for not going to school. Factor in the fact that 78% of the kids who &quot;graduate&quot; need remedial classes when they get to college. Factor in the fact that the NYSED &quot;dumbed down&quot; Regents exams and manipulated the &quot;scale score&quot; of those exams to produce the results they wanted. Factor in the fact that the DOE budget went from $13 billion to $23 billion under this regime. When you consider it all, Mayor Bloomtard and all his croonies--local, state, and federal, have perpetuated a scam bigger than his boy Bernie Madoff could have ever dreamed of. 10 &quot;graduating&quot; classes in the City of New York have been ripped off, an there are 3 more to go before this phony leaves. The shame is, it will take 10 more &quot;graduating&quot; classes to fix the mess Mayor Bloomtard has made. Hey, at least they will have bike lanes to use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just the tip of the iceberg. Factor in the bogus &#8220;Credit Recovery&#8221; programs that the DOE allows to run in high schools where kids get credit for not going to school. Factor in the fact that 78% of the kids who &#8220;graduate&#8221; need remedial classes when they get to college. Factor in the fact that the NYSED &#8220;dumbed down&#8221; Regents exams and manipulated the &#8220;scale score&#8221; of those exams to produce the results they wanted. Factor in the fact that the DOE budget went from $13 billion to $23 billion under this regime. When you consider it all, Mayor Bloomtard and all his croonies&#8211;local, state, and federal, have perpetuated a scam bigger than his boy Bernie Madoff could have ever dreamed of. 10 &#8220;graduating&#8221; classes in the City of New York have been ripped off, an there are 3 more to go before this phony leaves. The shame is, it will take 10 more &#8220;graduating&#8221; classes to fix the mess Mayor Bloomtard has made. Hey, at least they will have bike lanes to use.</p>
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		<title>By: I noticed that...</title>
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		<dc:creator>I noticed that...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pogue is so on target.  Teachers for years have been blogging that there&#039;s corruption and malfeasance in Tweed with the Mayor.  The public and certain politicians were afraid to challenge this billionaire mayor whose platform pledge was to control the school system and to surreptitiously fudge the numbers.

Credit recovery program – scam!  YABC programs – scam!  No Bid Contract – double scam! Co-location of charter schools – worst scam!  Closing schools based on Progress Report – shameful scam!  Now coming to all schools: izone and School for One – future scam!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pogue is so on target.  Teachers for years have been blogging that there&#8217;s corruption and malfeasance in Tweed with the Mayor.  The public and certain politicians were afraid to challenge this billionaire mayor whose platform pledge was to control the school system and to surreptitiously fudge the numbers.</p>
<p>Credit recovery program – scam!  YABC programs – scam!  No Bid Contract – double scam! Co-location of charter schools – worst scam!  Closing schools based on Progress Report – shameful scam!  Now coming to all schools: izone and School for One – future scam!</p>
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		<title>By: Amid Layoffs, City to Spend More on School Technology &#8211; New York Times &#124; nynews247</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2011/03/29/comptroller-finds-city-underreported-high-school-drop-outs/comment-page-1/#comment-353736</link>
		<dc:creator>Amid Layoffs, City to Spend More on School Technology &#8211; New York Times &#124; nynews247</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] year alone that will primarily pay for wiring and other behind-the-wall upgrades to city &#8230;Comptroller finds city underreported high school drop-outsGothamSchoolsall 2 news [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] year alone that will primarily pay for wiring and other behind-the-wall upgrades to city &#8230;Comptroller finds city underreported high school drop-outsGothamSchoolsall 2 news [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dee Alpert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee Alpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The DiNapoli discharge audit provides some interesting information but, at the same time, raises even more and more serious questions.  

Unlike some prior NYS Comptroller audits, this report doesn&#039;t list the schools audited.  For example, were any NYC DOE GED programs in District 79 included?  D. 79, according to recent media reports, enrolls 30,000 students in its various GED programs.  That is not chump change, not by a long stretch.  NYC DOE data shows that virtually no students earn GEDs.  Tweed holds close virtually all Distrit 79 numbers.  Under NCLB rules, students who drop out of a district-operated GED program must be counted as dropouts - in the cohort of the original regular district high school in which they enrolled.  Did the Comptroller look at District 79&#039;s schools&#039; records at all?  We just don&#039;t know.  It may well be that students are discharged from District 79&#039;s GED schools at far higher rates than students in &quot;regular&quot; schools are.  This would decrease the NYC DOE&#039;s graduation rate and boost its dropout rate even higher.  

The NYC DOE&#039;s response to the audit is appalling.  While Mayor Bloomberg and Chancellor Klein touted their increase in graduation rates as the hallmark of their accomplishments, the response to the audit basically complains that doing the hard work needed to arrive at accurate graduation, dropout and discharge rates is too much to ask NYC DOE staff to do.  I have no problems with that ... as long as inflated graduation rates are not then used as support for claims of improvement.  City Hall and Tweed can&#039;t have it both ways!

It&#039;s of special note that a higher proportion of unsupported discharges were reported in the special ed. group analyzed separately than for the non-disabled and very mildly disabled kids in regular schools&#039; classes.  NCLB, of course, does not permit this artificial bifurcation of kids&#039; outcomes.  The NYC DOE&#039;s special ed. programs and services have long been known to be sub-par, at best.  With ginned-up numbers, people who are just not doing their jobs, or who doing them very poorly cannot be held accountable for their failures.  It&#039;s time to stop blaming these kids for this and get serious about making the NYC DOE&#039;s special ed. programs something other than a very, very expensive black hole.

Heads should roll in schools Comptroller DiNapoli found to have massaged their numbers improperly.  School report cards should be updated with accurate information so that kids and parents looking at high schools will not be misled.  Will they?  One doubts it since Tweed and City Hall benefitted from these principals&#039; misconduct.  In other words, same old, same old.

If we&#039;re lucky, Comptroller Liu will take a deeper look at these numbers and hopefully in more places, to boot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DiNapoli discharge audit provides some interesting information but, at the same time, raises even more and more serious questions.  </p>
<p>Unlike some prior NYS Comptroller audits, this report doesn&#8217;t list the schools audited.  For example, were any NYC DOE GED programs in District 79 included?  D. 79, according to recent media reports, enrolls 30,000 students in its various GED programs.  That is not chump change, not by a long stretch.  NYC DOE data shows that virtually no students earn GEDs.  Tweed holds close virtually all Distrit 79 numbers.  Under NCLB rules, students who drop out of a district-operated GED program must be counted as dropouts &#8211; in the cohort of the original regular district high school in which they enrolled.  Did the Comptroller look at District 79&#8242;s schools&#8217; records at all?  We just don&#8217;t know.  It may well be that students are discharged from District 79&#8242;s GED schools at far higher rates than students in &#8220;regular&#8221; schools are.  This would decrease the NYC DOE&#8217;s graduation rate and boost its dropout rate even higher.  </p>
<p>The NYC DOE&#8217;s response to the audit is appalling.  While Mayor Bloomberg and Chancellor Klein touted their increase in graduation rates as the hallmark of their accomplishments, the response to the audit basically complains that doing the hard work needed to arrive at accurate graduation, dropout and discharge rates is too much to ask NYC DOE staff to do.  I have no problems with that &#8230; as long as inflated graduation rates are not then used as support for claims of improvement.  City Hall and Tweed can&#8217;t have it both ways!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s of special note that a higher proportion of unsupported discharges were reported in the special ed. group analyzed separately than for the non-disabled and very mildly disabled kids in regular schools&#8217; classes.  NCLB, of course, does not permit this artificial bifurcation of kids&#8217; outcomes.  The NYC DOE&#8217;s special ed. programs and services have long been known to be sub-par, at best.  With ginned-up numbers, people who are just not doing their jobs, or who doing them very poorly cannot be held accountable for their failures.  It&#8217;s time to stop blaming these kids for this and get serious about making the NYC DOE&#8217;s special ed. programs something other than a very, very expensive black hole.</p>
<p>Heads should roll in schools Comptroller DiNapoli found to have massaged their numbers improperly.  School report cards should be updated with accurate information so that kids and parents looking at high schools will not be misled.  Will they?  One doubts it since Tweed and City Hall benefitted from these principals&#8217; misconduct.  In other words, same old, same old.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re lucky, Comptroller Liu will take a deeper look at these numbers and hopefully in more places, to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bet if the Comptroller chose more then the 500 students for his report the numbers would have been even higher. Why isn&#039;t the attorney general investigating all those bogus numbers this corrupt mayor is dishing out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bet if the Comptroller chose more then the 500 students for his report the numbers would have been even higher. Why isn&#8217;t the attorney general investigating all those bogus numbers this corrupt mayor is dishing out.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any way you look at it, a 15-20% error rate in discharge reporting is very high; for a less forgiving analysis of the results, check out my statement at  http://nycpublicschoolparents.blogspot.com/2011/03/statement-on-dinapolis-discharge-rate.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any way you look at it, a 15-20% error rate in discharge reporting is very high; for a less forgiving analysis of the results, check out my statement at  <a href="http://nycpublicschoolparents.blogspot.com/2011/03/statement-on-dinapolis-discharge-rate.html" rel="nofollow">http://nycpublicschoolparents.blogspot.com/2011/03/statement-on-dinapolis-discharge-rate.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Smoke and mirrors, house of cards, fraud and corruption.  While Bloomberg, mayoral control, and the NYC DOE under his command have destroyed NYC public education for 9 dark and destructive years, teachers and real education bloggers refuted this malfeasance time and again. 

It is all nothing new and no surprise to people on the educational front lines.  This mayor is educationally corrupt and has been given cover for too long,

Get ready for no-bid crony contracts to come out next.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smoke and mirrors, house of cards, fraud and corruption.  While Bloomberg, mayoral control, and the NYC DOE under his command have destroyed NYC public education for 9 dark and destructive years, teachers and real education bloggers refuted this malfeasance time and again. </p>
<p>It is all nothing new and no surprise to people on the educational front lines.  This mayor is educationally corrupt and has been given cover for too long,</p>
<p>Get ready for no-bid crony contracts to come out next.</p>
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