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Group of young teachers petitions to preserve seniority rights

The debate over the state’s seniority-based layoff system is sometimes portrayed as dividing young teachers at risk of losing their jobs under the current system and older teachers bent on protecting theirs.

But a group of young teachers is arguing that the current system benefits them too, and they’ve started a petition urging the city to preserve it.

“As newer teachers, we rely on our more senior colleagues for guidance and support,” the petition reads. “Without more senior teachers, we would lose our bridge to lessons learned through years of dedicated work in the school system.”

The petition, which launched online yesterday evening, had around 75 signatures by this afternoon, said one of its authors, Stephane Barile, a teacher at the Facing History School and member of the the education and social justice group New York Collective of Radical Educators. All of the signatories are teachers who have been teaching for fewer than five years, which means that unless they teach special education or certain subjects like science, they could be at risk of losing their jobs if layoffs happen this year and the current system isn’t changed.

The petition grew out of a subgroup of NYCORE made up of young teachers focused on supporting teachers who entered the profession through alternative certification programs like New York City Teaching Fellows and Teach for America.

The group’s campaign came on a day that rhetoric between the city and its teachers and principals unions heated up over the question of layoffs. Many teachers and principals were surprised yesterday evening to read city projections of how many teachers their schools could lose in the newspapers before they had seen those estimates themselves.

Teachers and principals packed a room at the teachers union today as United Federation of Teachers President Michael Mulgrew and Council of School Supervisors and Administrators President Ernie Logan accused the city of fear-mongering and of trying to circumvent the unions’ collective bargaining rights.

“No one’s spoken to me about negotiating any of this,” Logan said. “I’m willing to talk. Nothing is off the table.”

The mayor is promoting a bill that would do away with the seniority-based layoff system in favor of a complicated set of other criteria, including teacher evaluation ratings, attendance records and value-added ratings.

The full text of the petition is below, and can be found online here.

An Open Letter from Newer Teachers of New York State

February 21, 2011

Dear parents, students, colleagues, school administraters, elected officials, and members of the public,

Currently, New York State’s seniority rule protects experienced teachers from layoffs, a policy sometimes known as “last in, first out.” In recent budget negotiations, Mayor Bloomberg and Chancellor Black have pressured Governor Cuomo to overturn this rule. We, the undersigned teachers who have been teaching in New York State for five years or less, stand in solidarity with our more experienced colleagues and strongly support maintaining the seniority rule.

As newer teachers, we rely on our more senior colleagues for guidance and support.  Senior teachers offer us their advice, their formal mentorship, and their connections with communities.  Without more senior teachers, we would lose our bridge to lessons learned through years of dedicated work in the school system.

In addition, the rates of black and Latino new teacher hires in New York City have steadily declined since 2002, while the vast majority of New York City public school students are black and Latino. Opening up more senior teachers to layoffs would risk further decreasing the already sparse ranks of teachers of color.  These teachers provide guidance for younger teachers of all backgrounds, and play an important role in the lives of our students.

We also believe that Bloomberg and Black’s so-called “merit-based” system for retaining teachers will foster competitive, fearful school cultures that are detrimental both to teachers’ professional development and to student learning. In addition, Bloomberg and Black seek to measure teacher performance by student test scores, an imperfect measure at best, and one that encourages narrowly test-focused curricula.

Finally, Bloomberg and Black’s arguments against the seniority rule are based on the fact that newer teachers work for lower salaries than our more experienced peers; allowing experienced teachers to be laid off would therefore reduce the total number of necessary layoffs.  This argument, however, fails to account for the true cost of professional development and adequate support for newer teachers.  It also ignores the fact that teacher experience is one of the most reliable predictors of student learning.  If student achievement is the priority, then experienced teachers are more than worth their cost.

Ultimately, the debate over who to lay off is a distraction from the root causes of inequity that continue to affect our profession and the lives of our students; budget cuts should not include any teacher layoffs.  Education is an investment in our future, and cuts to education are ultimately short-sighted.  We reject political tactics that raise the specter of massive teacher layoffs in efforts to divide the workforce and pit parents against teachers.  In the interest of our students, we stand with senior teachers in supporting the seniority rule.

Sincerely,

Newer Teachers of New York State

  • Mustafa

    BRAVO! KUDOS!

    These newer teachers get it, they’re in the profession for the long haul (unlike Evan and Sidney) and they want what is best!

    I’m loving it.

  • Anonymous

    Congratulations to these younger teachers who are expressing solidarity with their colleagues, and serving their students and profession, rather than taking taking Bill Gates’ pieces of silver and seeking to divide teachers.

    One other thing that should be pointed out to younger/newer teachers is that seniority rules also protect them, not just once they’ve achieved some degree of seniority, but by clearly spelling out the order by which they must be recalled, should the mayor follow through with his mean-spirited threats of layoffs.

    Given the high rate of teacher attrition in NYC, seniority rights would guarantee younger and newer teachers a quicker, more just and predictable means of being hired back, rather than being subject to the biases of principals and the agendas of City Hall.

    That is something that the members of E$E seemingly can’t, or won’t, acknowledge.

  • bkteacher

    NYCORE Teachers -

    My hat is off to you guys. You are standing up to Bloomberg and his divisive tactics. I am hoping that your actions and those of our brethren in Wisconsin can be watershed moments in this battle for the preservation of middle class ideals.

    Even the NY Times sort of gets it. There recent polling show that the American people largely supporting public employees and collective bargaining. Common sense says that the overwhelming majority of Americans more closely identify with middle class union employees, than they identify with Bloomberg and his merry band of neo-liberal education supermen.

  • Mikb79

    My God voices of reason. The truth isn’t being told Bloomburg Klein The Post and the News has been distorting the news for their own good.
    I hope more speak out about the lies that will destroy education in New York. Trace where the money is coming from that distorts the truth.Teaching is a great profession and needs to survive these lies and do what teachers do best Teach
    Last in first out is there for a reason to protect teachers from the Bloombergs of the world. Take it away and see what happens to education In New York. It wasn’t many years ago that the system was looked at one of the best. What happened to change all that I think it was a mayor who changed the rules. He is doing it again.

  • Mustafa

    And they put this petition together without Gates or Broad money and without the promise of “Executive Director” positions in some fake grassroots movement.

    These are real teachers.

  • Invictus

    These are the type of teachers that are selfless, knowing fully well that they can be cut if LIFO is not changed…. unless some of those other educators from the E4E outfit that claim that they happen to be so selfless, that they are doing for the “kids” and yet, they simply cannot but see themselves in the middle of it all and how “unjust it would be for them to be ‘sacrificed’ while it is quite okay to ‘sacrifice’ the elders.” Do some of these people know who self serving and selfish they sound? Anyway, the push back is looking more spontaneous from types of unions.

  • http://ydeschool.org Judaic Studies

    Props to the younger teachers that are standing firm in supporting their more experienced colleagues. It is important not to lose grasp of the fact that you can learn so much more through experience and the experiences of others than you can in books in a lot of cases. It warms my heart to see people standing up for the right thing and not being afraid to speak out against issues that they don’t agree with. Teachers are generally under appreciated and deserve more respect in society. Stay involved, keep teaching, inspiring and standing strong, teachers!

  • http://twitter.com/BNiche Brent

    I’m sitting on this, but will probably sign in solidarity tomorrow.

  • Third Year Teacher

    I just signed, as I agree 100% with what is stated in the petition. As a third year teacher, and someone who plans to remain in the system as a teacher, it is important to keep LIFO. Not only have my senior colleagues been essential to my growth as a teacher, but I need LIFO, as do all teachers for protection in the future. If you care enough about teaching that you want to make it a career, you need the union, otherwise we will get discarded for cheaper teachers ten years down the line. To all young educators, do not let the mayor turn us against our colleagues!

  • Third Year Teacher

    I just signed, as I agree 100% with what is stated in the petition. As a third year teacher, and someone who plans to remain in the system as a teacher, it is important to keep LIFO. Not only have my senior colleagues been essential to my growth as a teacher, but I need LIFO, as do all teachers for protection in the future. If you care enough about teaching that you want to make it a career, you need the union, otherwise we will get discarded for cheaper teachers ten years down the line. To all young educators, do not let the mayor turn us against our colleagues!

  • http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/ Norm

    Good point Mustafa (And they put this petition together without Gates or Broad money and without the promise of “Executive Director” positions in some fake grassroots movement.)

    These are real teachers, though the E4E type slugs and supporters will claim the UFT is secretly behind them. I have been in touch with these teachers on this letter from the early stages over a week ago and I can guarantee the UFT didn’t even know about it till late Sunday night.

    And kudos to Maura and Gotham for giving light to the work of NYCORE – along with other groups dominated by newer teachers like GEM and Teachers Unite – groups that will in the long run swamp the E$E message due to their honesty and true concern for children by their actions every day in the classroom and their tireless efforts outside the classroom – true Children Firsters – the Real Reformers.

  • Sick of Bloomberg

    The bottom line here is that THERE IS NO NEED FOR LAYOFFS. The fat that needs to be trimmed is not in the classrooms, it resides in Tweed. I congratulate these young teachers for their intelligence, maturity and foresight. THEY are the future of our teaching corps here in NYC, NOT the members of E$E. Rest assured, we, the veterans of the DOE Wars will do everything to protect your jobs and the jobs of future teachers such as yourselves.

  • yaya

    this is so aggravating. its not senior vs. junior teachers. ending LIFO gets rid of INEFFECTIVE teachers. if you’re argument is that you don’t want to lose valuable, intelligent mentor teachers, then you have nothing to worry about it.

  • kk (parent)

    As a (nonteacher) parent, I applaud this effort as well. I keep reading/hearing about how parents are against LIFO. Understandably, we want the best teachers to remain in the school, should layoffs occur. However, we shouldn’t be waiting for layoffs to eliminate poor teaching. If a teacher is deemed “bad”–and that shouldn’t be determined on the basis of test scores–s/he should be given mentoring support and a limited time to improve. If no notable improvement…time to go. It should be wholly independent of city or state budgets!

    My children’s elementary school has wonderful, complex whole-grade projects which happen annually. Without the continuity provided by the more experienced teachers, I am sure the projects would lose some of their depth and complexity. But without the newer teachers, the projects would be at risk for being exactly the same each year. The mix of the two is what allows for a fresh and vibrant yet amazingly organized, consistent experience from year to year. (Note: There is some generalization here, of course; I don’t mean to imply that no older teachers have fresh ideas or that all newer teachers lack organization!)

    Without LIFO, I think it would be too tempting to axe higher-earning older teachers, gutting the potential for this productive mix of old and new. Of course, with it, one could argue we risk losing the young part of that mix. Still, since there are on balance more new teachers than old, it seems LIFO would be the best way to maintain a healthy mix.

  • alan

    These teachers can see the light at the end of the tunnel. How often have teachers been blackballed by vindictive principals after serving more then 20 years with unblemished records. And don’t forget that the principal you started with will be long gone before you reach your tenth year of service. I had 5 principals at my school before my tenth year. Only

  • Mikb79

    Administrators get rid of Ineffective bad teachers by doing their jobs. Tell them, don’t tell teachers they are very busy working hard teaching. Get on the case of those not doing what they were hired to do. Get rid of an Ineffective mayor who hired an Ineffective head of schools.

  • kk (parent)

    See my earlier comment (above, depending on how you’ve filtered), yaya. Do you really want to wait for layoffs to get rid of ineffective teachers? They shouldn’t be in the system regardless.

  • Just saying…

    So, seniority and experience have no merit. That is the foundation for ending LIFO. Then I guess, parents, the next time your fresh, new, up and coming child expresses their opinion on what their rights should be, you will defer to their judgment. After all, what do you stand on besides your age and experience when disciplining your children???????

  • Michael M. (parent still)

    “When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”
    — Mark Twain

  • Jodama

    You’re kidding, right?

  • anony

    and who decides who an ineffective teacher is? and how can it be *proven* that they’re ineffective? really, my best teachers ever often were considered by administrators to be ineffective…the worst were considered “wonderful” teachers. yes, the best were also outspoken and at times unorthodox…and one received a poor peer review once by a teacher who slept through the class he was observing. and test scores? really? they tell the whole story? i think not.

  • Pr70358n

    I signed this petition and strongly agree with every word. I have been blessed to work with experienced and dedicated teachers and administrators who have generously supported my growth and development as an educator. Long live LIFO!!!!

  • kk

    I am actually replying to anony (no reply option existed). I think you are taking my comment out of context; it needs to be read together with its earlier comment (to which I refer). I completely agree that deciding who is “ineffective” is a complicated task. I haven’t studied this–I’m sure others have and have a range of ideas–but I guess you would need a combination of factors that would include peer review. I do not think students’ test scores should be the basis (as I wrote in my original comment), nor do I think a principal should have sole discretion (to rule out personal vindictiveness etc.)

  • This isn’t the private sector

    Lifo is a part of policy that creates conistency and predictable outcomes for student performance. I want to know that teacher x has been bringing a certain number of kids to perform at mastery level year after year. I also dont want to get a bad principal or superintendent for a few years who doesnt get our community and who might fire trusted long term teachers leaving a mess to clean up for years after they are gone. Consistency and predictability is essential to a successful school district. That being said, I live in a top district and know that achieving tenure here is very difficult. So senior teachers are golden here. I also believe that to really know if a teacher is good takes a few years and I dont want my kid to have to endure too many unknowns, they cannot get third grade back for example. The influence of the community in destailizing teaching can be terrible for students, especiqally in a competitive town like mine. Without security such as LIFO tough graders would be demonized and fired….. Sorry for all my type o’s this touch screen phone is maddening.

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