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Racial gap persists for city’s specialized high schools

Today’s the day that guidance counselors distribute envelopes to eighth graders with news of whether and which of the city’s top-tier high schools opened the door for them. But for minority students, the news continues to be grim.

Combined, white and Asian students account for 70 percent of the students admitted to elite schools like Stuyvesant, the Bronx High School of Science, and Brooklyn Technical High School. Hispanic students make up 6 percent of those admitted and black students 5 percent. The remainder, 18 percent, come from private or parochial schools and racial data for them was not available.

Despite repeated statements of concern from city officials about the tiny number of minority students earning entry to top high schools, the numbers have only declined in the last three years. In 2009, 744 black and Hispanic students earned seats at specialized high schools. This year, 642 made it in.

Meanwhile, the number of minority students sitting for the exams has increased. Black and Hispanic students now make up a greater percentage of test takers than they did in 2009.

The numbers are even more concerning in the schools that are the elite of the elite. This year, 12 black students earned spots at Stuyvesant High School, which is actually an improvement over last year when 7 students received offers.

In total, 5,404 eighth graders earned seats at one of the city’s eight specialized high schools that admit students purely based on their scores on the SHSAT (Specialized High Schools Admissions Test). A ninth specialized school, LaGuardia High School, auditions students for its music and arts programs. It offered seats to 962 students, about a third of whom also received offers from one other specialized school.

The Department of Education would not release the range of scores earned by students accepted to individual schools. Students are often able to figure this out on their own by comparing notes with classmates.

A spokesman said that releasing each school’s lowest score would give future applicants the impression that some schools are easier to get into than others, causing some of them to aim for schools they believe will accept them rather than the schools they really want to attend. As an example, he cited Brooklyn Technical High School, which is one of the city’s most popular elite high schools, but is also so large that it admits students with some of the highest scores and some of the lowest.

Students have until February 28 to accept an offer.

2011 Specialized High Schools – 8th Grade Students Receiving a Specialized HS Offer by Ethnicity 2009-2011

  • Ellen

    So much for Klein’s moral imperative…eight years of that and we have even lower admissions. These students came into the system when Klein did. They are the proof of the pudding. What happened JK? Spend too much time re-organizing? re-structuring? re-jiggering scores to show false improvements?

  • Invictus

    The realities of the “lies” that were spread by the DoE and the Supreme Leader about improved schools is a bitter ones for the minority students that comprise a big part of NYC Public Schools.  Improved curriculum, organization and reshuffling means zip to majority minority students that apply to the elite schools.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/Aallybabyfaithful AllisonM

    i tried out for laguardia.. and didnt make it in…. but the thing i wanna know is do have have a waiting list.. or are you just rejected even after student reject their offer..

  • FURTG

    Allison, unfortunately there is no wait list. The schools actually accept more students than they have room for, knowing that not all will choose to attend.

  • teacher

    LAG and other schools used to have a second round, but Bloomberg and Klein got rid of that.

  • Rose

    Aren’t Asians minorities? Am I missing something?

  • Invictus

    Asians stopped being minorities to Colleges after the class of 1990 for NYS.  In NYC, while they are minorities, they are over represented in all specialized high school prep courses, exams and acceptances.  

  • Mustafa 2: Electric Boogaloo

    So GothamSchools banned me again. Apparently, my commentary is so abusive to the Ed Deformers that I should be silenced.

    It’s an empty gesture, I know all about proxy IPs.

    My voice will not be silenced.

  • Teacher of LD kids

    @Ellen: In my 5 years with the system, the DOE was reorganized 3 times. Twice we had to spend 10-20 hours per year learning new standard operating procedures, which entailed many, many, many, many pieces of paper. I have a couple of files, each about 5″ thick, filled with nothing but professional development agendas and packets. When they made us attend the all-day workshops for the new SOP, half of the teachers there didn’ bother to pay attention because their experience told them that as soon as they learned the new SOP, it would be scrapped in favor of another SOP. Waste of money? Ha.

  • edward s

    In the long arc or history the verdict will give the DOE a letter grade of F on Race. The department made an attempt and found success on some parameters but it did so on the confines of a seperate but equal doctrine. The doctrine of Plessy v. Ferguson was evidenced in elite public schools and their racial disparities. It was also evident in the hiring policies at the DOE that included few blacks at the top which was filled with, young white ivy leaguers, or older white socialites; who carried the rhetoric of equity but none of its experiences or struggles. History and hard data will also show that as black parents grew frustruated with their inabiltiy to get into these elite schools, to placate them they drew up plans for charter schools that while better than some neighborhood schools did not change the racial practices of schools that excluded large number of black students. In the end in 2011 as in 1896 separate was not equal. Thank you Anna for this bold piece of reporting.

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  • bkteacher

    This is a huge story. This story should receive the same prominence on the cover of the NYT as the hagiographic coverage of Klein/Bloomberg’s education miracle. Where are Al Sharpton and Joel Klein on this issue. Why are they not decrying the lack of Black and Hispanic children in the elite public schools? Is that not a CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE? 

    On a different note, it would be interesting to look at the data to find out how many of the Black and Hispanic students who were admitted to Specialized High Schools were graduates of Charter Middle Schools.

    I don’t know the answer. But if Charter Schools are the silver bullet they are portrayed to be, then there should be some correlation between attending a charter school and admittance to a specialized high school.

  • EFM

    That there is a need to improve the education of children of all races goes without saying. But why is no one offering congratulations to those that made it into one of these elite schools, whatever race, or nationality they may be? These kids are in no way culpable for problems that exist in the system. They worked very hard, and deserve the seat that was offered them.

  • bkteacher

    EFM -

    Agreed. 

    Congratulations to all of the students who received admissions to a specialized high school.

  • Lori

    Although the DOE and Mayor of our city should be held responsible for all children’s education, they can’t be held responsible for our children’s total education.  As a parent of a child who was just accepted yesterday into an “elite” specialized high school, I know that her middle school, although considered fabulous and constantly a boastful recipient of ‘A’ grades in that ridiculous city-wide annual contest did not prepare her for the SHSAT.  Not. Even. Close.

    Have you looked at the material on that test?  

    So I prepared her myself.  We couldn’t afford the Kaplan courses (ha! Right!) but we did afford the $17.00 Kaplan prep guide and all last summer I sawed away at that book way past midnight and way after the kid went to bed so that I could learn the material (I never had before….I’m not particularly educated) so that the next evening after dinner we could sit at the kitchen table for a couple of hours and I could ploddingly “teach” her that section’s material.  Believe me, the material was completely new to her.  We availed ourselves of the free practice test at the Kaplan Center (and I endured a 2 hour sales pitch) and every Saturday she spent 2 hours in the kitchen, stove timer set, doing tests from previous years that are free for all on the DOE website.  

    She turned down invitations to hang out.  She cried.  She yelled.  I yelled.  We hugged.  We worked.  I’m not kidding. 

    And that is how my child earned a very, very solid and respectable score on the SSHAT.  Her skin color, mayor, zip code, teachers, chancellor, etc. had NOTHING to do with it.  Her mom had about 60% to do with it.  The rest was her.  She wanted it very, very badly and she knew, like most stuff in her life, nobody was going to just hand it over to her.

    This was an incredibly important lesson for her.  I’m so proud of her (us).

    Take it into your own hands, parents and students.  Claim your power.

    The system isn’t coming around soon.

  • Remco Kimber

    Black and Hispanic don’t do well on merit-based examinations. But this is consistent. They don’t do well in regular in-class work and tests either.

    The social reasons are all well-known, and they will continue to be adamantly ignored.

    So all together now, the reason for these disappointing results for B & H kids is,

    R-A-C-I-S-M

  • Remco Kimber

    To Lori, parent,

    That is exactly the way I did with my own son. Except I didn’t just do it for one examination. I home schooled him exclusively through high school which he tried but dropped out of after 2 years because of the pathetic pace. (He was taught all his math courses through Calc 1 at home.) He then went to a local community college, earned his GED, outstripped all of the college’s math courses, entered RPI as an upperclassman all before he was 18. He was able to excel b/c he was constantly given material challenging to his abilities.

    All children are capable of excelling in that fashion. All it takes is a committed parent, a tall order in too many households. So congrats to you, Lori. And the prime beneficiary, your daughter who has learned the lesson of hard work and reward.

    I had some interactions with school officials when he was about 5, quickly realizing that it was a game rigged not to his favor

  • not a fan of home school

    Lori-

    Great job.  I wish I had more students with parents like you.

    RK-

    I’m glad your child did well.  Most of the home schooled students I’ve dealt with have been weak in many areas.  Math is a particular problem.  If a parent isn’t strong in math, most people aren’t, their child learns nothing at home.  To make it a bigger problem, many of these parents think their child knows everything and they can’t and will not hear the issues their child has.  They want to blame me.  I have to walk in, show them their child’s work and show the parents the mistakes to prove that it is their weak skills and not the child’s understanding of higher level concepts.  It’s the only thing that wakes them up, and sometimes it doesn’t.

  • Joe Legal

    To parent Lori:

    Bravo to you and your daughter. You both decided on a course of action, took it and followed thru. Very well done. This is meant as a compliment, you are indeed a Tiger Mom! High expectations coupled with love and compassion as Amy Chua says. Go get ‘em.

    Joe

  • EFM

    To Lori,

    Kudos to you and you daughter. My son and I worked together all last summer with the same goal. I was his only tutor. We used four workbooks and spent countless hours studying together. In the end, my son got into his top choice Specialized school.
    Persistence and hard work are the keys to success.

  • joe

    Why is anyone surprised by the racial breakdown of the results?  When an A- at Stuy is called a “Black fail,” instead of an “Asian fail,” you’ll see a largely black student body.  The families and cultures that value academic success and are willing to make the sacrifices and put in the hard work to achieve that success are the ones that will make up a disproportionate part of the student population at elite institutions.  That is something to be celebrated and emulated, not bemoaned. The Hunter test and SHSAT are major news stories every year in the NYC asian communities.  These are aspirational events for entire communities.  When the black and hispanic communities put the same emphasis on achieving academic excellence, I’m sure they will achieve the same results.  Till then, why blame the department of ED?  Put the blame right where it belongs, on the parents, and on the culture, that values backboards over blackboards and jump shots over SAT’s.

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  • http://www.mannahattamamma.com deborah l quinn

    Parents like Lori are to be commended but I think that, alas, they are rare. I don’t think the racial disparities on these scores diminish the achievements of the students in any way. Instead these scores illustrate the failures of a system starting at the very early grades; it also illustrates a failure of a system that thinks numbers are “objective” — I mean, does anyone think there is a significant difference between a student with a 95 versus a 99? Or that a student with a 90 has less to offer (or is unable to achieve) than a student with a 98? Is it really so hard to balance rigorous admissions standards with seeing the whole student, instead of just a test score?
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