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		<title>By: Roma Giudetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roma Giudetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Chris.  I misunderstood.  The drop in scores were larger for Charters, but overall they outperformed district schools.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Chris.  I misunderstood.  The drop in scores were larger for Charters, but overall they outperformed district schools.  </p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Super</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Super</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The parents have every right to shut down un-democratic bodies! 

I hope every PEP meeting is shut down from now until it&#039;s thrown on the trash heap of history. 

Take the schools back, take the power back!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The parents have every right to shut down un-democratic bodies! </p>
<p>I hope every PEP meeting is shut down from now until it&#8217;s thrown on the trash heap of history. </p>
<p>Take the schools back, take the power back!</p>
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		<title>By: 'O My</title>
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		<dc:creator>'O My</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Parents had/have a right and a responsibility to be angry and to protest when they learn that the claims of improvement in their public education system -- claims made by the Mayor and Chancellor and supported by the data they report are false.  Resetting the proficiency levels to account for the fact that the tests had become easier over time (or more familiar) revealed that there has been no net progress in NYC schools in the last five years and that the achievement gap has not narrowed, leaving black students at the bottom where they have always been.  Why shouldn&#039;t parents and teachers be angry?

Those who want to ascribe blame to teachers should know that the teachers have had no options in what to teach, when to teach it, how long to teach it, or when to reteach it.  Teachers have been made to follow the prescribed schedule as though they are to be automatons for NYCDOE.  There&#039;s no going back if the kids didn&#039;t get it, no project based learning, no individualization, but simply a lock step curriculum which does not account for individual differences.  This approach hurts the brightest kids the most, and some of those kids wind up scoring at the bottom from the cumulative effects of shear boredom. 

Blaming parents is also counter productive.  Parents can do little more than send their children to school in the hope that something meaningful will happen there.  Some apply to a charter in the hope that students will be better behaved there.  Sure parents can work with their kids and supervise their homework, and some don&#039;t, but that is of little consequence when the homework is nothing but drill and practice, isn&#039;t corrected, and doesn&#039;t accomplish much but keep kids from doing things that promote their own growth and development.  Parents aren&#039;t the problem and can&#039;t be the solution in public education besides standing up as they did and saying we&#039;ve had enough of the lies and deception -- we want a real educational program for our kids.

The school system is captive to politics, and long has been -- forever.  Teachers and principals have never been asked what they need or what they think.  They&#039;ve been told what to do, how to do it, when to do it and have been punished if they don&#039;t follow those directions.  A mindless system directed by those at the top who know very little about child development, besides what they may have read in a book, is what we have in NYC where the only possible escape is a charter school.  Yet charters are subjected to the same mindless testing strategies which constrict their curriculums to such an extent that children can&#039;t fully develop their potentialities.

For the School Board to be led from the room by the Chancellor is abject cowardice.  What harm would have resulted to children if the meeting agenda had been altered to give parents their needed opportunity to speak until they were finished speaking?  What harm would that have done to the Chancellor or the School Board?  This isn&#039;t the first time the Chancellor has left the room before parents and teachers have had their chance to speak.  The problem in the NYCDOE is largely related to an absence of respect -- respect for anyone connected with the system in a working capacity, and respect for the needs of each individual student is absent.  We are to respect the Mayor and the Chancellor -- that&#039;s the message and that&#039;s it.

The problems related to improving student achievement aren&#039;t simple and won&#039;t be fixed by simplistic solutions like &quot;mayoral control&quot;, school grades, closing low performing schools, and opening a few more charters.  It really doesn&#039;t matter that some folks like these ideas if it isn&#039;t working.  There are solutions available, but they would involve the unthinkable for the current power structure in the City and State -- and Nation.  They would involve changing the culture of the schools from the children up.  These solutions would require empowering children and their teachers to make more decisions about how their schools will function, and what they will be responsible for doing in their schools, and yes, parents would need to be a part of this culture change process.  The idea of ramming a schedule down the throats of students and teachers would be one of the first things to go in such a process.  The improvement of student behavior would be one of the first things to improve, and with it achievement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parents had/have a right and a responsibility to be angry and to protest when they learn that the claims of improvement in their public education system &#8212; claims made by the Mayor and Chancellor and supported by the data they report are false.  Resetting the proficiency levels to account for the fact that the tests had become easier over time (or more familiar) revealed that there has been no net progress in NYC schools in the last five years and that the achievement gap has not narrowed, leaving black students at the bottom where they have always been.  Why shouldn&#8217;t parents and teachers be angry?</p>
<p>Those who want to ascribe blame to teachers should know that the teachers have had no options in what to teach, when to teach it, how long to teach it, or when to reteach it.  Teachers have been made to follow the prescribed schedule as though they are to be automatons for NYCDOE.  There&#8217;s no going back if the kids didn&#8217;t get it, no project based learning, no individualization, but simply a lock step curriculum which does not account for individual differences.  This approach hurts the brightest kids the most, and some of those kids wind up scoring at the bottom from the cumulative effects of shear boredom. </p>
<p>Blaming parents is also counter productive.  Parents can do little more than send their children to school in the hope that something meaningful will happen there.  Some apply to a charter in the hope that students will be better behaved there.  Sure parents can work with their kids and supervise their homework, and some don&#8217;t, but that is of little consequence when the homework is nothing but drill and practice, isn&#8217;t corrected, and doesn&#8217;t accomplish much but keep kids from doing things that promote their own growth and development.  Parents aren&#8217;t the problem and can&#8217;t be the solution in public education besides standing up as they did and saying we&#8217;ve had enough of the lies and deception &#8212; we want a real educational program for our kids.</p>
<p>The school system is captive to politics, and long has been &#8212; forever.  Teachers and principals have never been asked what they need or what they think.  They&#8217;ve been told what to do, how to do it, when to do it and have been punished if they don&#8217;t follow those directions.  A mindless system directed by those at the top who know very little about child development, besides what they may have read in a book, is what we have in NYC where the only possible escape is a charter school.  Yet charters are subjected to the same mindless testing strategies which constrict their curriculums to such an extent that children can&#8217;t fully develop their potentialities.</p>
<p>For the School Board to be led from the room by the Chancellor is abject cowardice.  What harm would have resulted to children if the meeting agenda had been altered to give parents their needed opportunity to speak until they were finished speaking?  What harm would that have done to the Chancellor or the School Board?  This isn&#8217;t the first time the Chancellor has left the room before parents and teachers have had their chance to speak.  The problem in the NYCDOE is largely related to an absence of respect &#8212; respect for anyone connected with the system in a working capacity, and respect for the needs of each individual student is absent.  We are to respect the Mayor and the Chancellor &#8212; that&#8217;s the message and that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>The problems related to improving student achievement aren&#8217;t simple and won&#8217;t be fixed by simplistic solutions like &#8220;mayoral control&#8221;, school grades, closing low performing schools, and opening a few more charters.  It really doesn&#8217;t matter that some folks like these ideas if it isn&#8217;t working.  There are solutions available, but they would involve the unthinkable for the current power structure in the City and State &#8212; and Nation.  They would involve changing the culture of the schools from the children up.  These solutions would require empowering children and their teachers to make more decisions about how their schools will function, and what they will be responsible for doing in their schools, and yes, parents would need to be a part of this culture change process.  The idea of ramming a schedule down the throats of students and teachers would be one of the first things to go in such a process.  The improvement of student behavior would be one of the first things to improve, and with it achievement.</p>
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		<title>By: Akademos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akademos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely correct. But there are responsible/humane/just ways to go about it and there are maniacal/stupid/self-defeating/sleazy shortcuts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely correct. But there are responsible/humane/just ways to go about it and there are maniacal/stupid/self-defeating/sleazy shortcuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronx/Harlem Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronx/Harlem Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just for clarification, didn&#039;t the obsession with testing and the need for data actually arise out of the No Child Left Behind Act? In other words, educators are responding to federal legislation; this did not begin in New York City.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for clarification, didn&#8217;t the obsession with testing and the need for data actually arise out of the No Child Left Behind Act? In other words, educators are responding to federal legislation; this did not begin in New York City.</p>
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		<title>By: Akademos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akademos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David K. Patterson,

Involved NYC public school parents are to be applauded! They are GREAT!

Of course blighted communities and overworked or uninvolved parents visit huge problems on the school system. This has always been the case, and this recession has hit the vulnerable communities first and hardest. But this does not explain the fraudulence and damages to the entire system brought on by this harass-deprive-privatize-test-to-death-shutter education administration that ignores and stifles all critical voices from any quarter at all: education experts, parents, community leaders, teachers, supervisors, etc.

I believe the anger was mainly from the lack of voice given to parents throughout and in particular at this moment when some of the deep institutionalized fraud, that Diane Ravitch had warned about again and again, has been exposed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David K. Patterson,</p>
<p>Involved NYC public school parents are to be applauded! They are GREAT!</p>
<p>Of course blighted communities and overworked or uninvolved parents visit huge problems on the school system. This has always been the case, and this recession has hit the vulnerable communities first and hardest. But this does not explain the fraudulence and damages to the entire system brought on by this harass-deprive-privatize-test-to-death-shutter education administration that ignores and stifles all critical voices from any quarter at all: education experts, parents, community leaders, teachers, supervisors, etc.</p>
<p>I believe the anger was mainly from the lack of voice given to parents throughout and in particular at this moment when some of the deep institutionalized fraud, that Diane Ravitch had warned about again and again, has been exposed.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roma, I think you nailed David, I wonder how is condescending attitude works with his supposed middle school students&#039; parents?

His comment is revealing: &quot;To which I reply, as a middle school teacher who works at one of the 15 lowest-performing schools in math for the 2009-10 school year (according to GS’s number-crunching): are you kidding me?&quot;

I believe you are kidding us. Let&#039;s see now David. You feel the Chancellor and mayor are not to blame. But they feel you and your colleagues are one of the major reasons for the failure of your school. Clearly as an ed deformer you should get up and be held accountable. Or maybe it is your colleagues and not you? Or your principal? Let us know what you are doing about this awful situation. I won&#039;t hold my breath.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roma, I think you nailed David, I wonder how is condescending attitude works with his supposed middle school students&#8217; parents?</p>
<p>His comment is revealing: &#8220;To which I reply, as a middle school teacher who works at one of the 15 lowest-performing schools in math for the 2009-10 school year (according to GS’s number-crunching): are you kidding me?&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe you are kidding us. Let&#8217;s see now David. You feel the Chancellor and mayor are not to blame. But they feel you and your colleagues are one of the major reasons for the failure of your school. Clearly as an ed deformer you should get up and be held accountable. Or maybe it is your colleagues and not you? Or your principal? Let us know what you are doing about this awful situation. I won&#8217;t hold my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: roma giudetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>roma giudetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David K: Perhaps the answers to all your questions would have been answered had testing been an agenda item and parents been given a chance to voice their concerns.  Instead after years of crowing about the &quot;historical gains&quot; students had made, testing was not to be mentioned.  I was not at the PEP meeting, but as a parent I can say that I want the obsession with testing to end.  How did teachers figure out if a kid could read and write before all the emphasis on test scores?  They could tell by the work the student produced or did not produce in class and then the teacher would discuss the child&#039;s progress with the parent.  Do these tests give a teacher any new information that the teacher would not glean by reading and responding to a student&#039;s work?  Do the tests give the teacher any new information that cannot be obtained by interacting with a child day by day in a classroom?  Also I have to say that I object to your condescending and judgmental attitude toward parents who took the time to come out and advocate for their children.  We need more parents like those at the PEP.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David K: Perhaps the answers to all your questions would have been answered had testing been an agenda item and parents been given a chance to voice their concerns.  Instead after years of crowing about the &#8220;historical gains&#8221; students had made, testing was not to be mentioned.  I was not at the PEP meeting, but as a parent I can say that I want the obsession with testing to end.  How did teachers figure out if a kid could read and write before all the emphasis on test scores?  They could tell by the work the student produced or did not produce in class and then the teacher would discuss the child&#8217;s progress with the parent.  Do these tests give a teacher any new information that the teacher would not glean by reading and responding to a student&#8217;s work?  Do the tests give the teacher any new information that cannot be obtained by interacting with a child day by day in a classroom?  Also I have to say that I object to your condescending and judgmental attitude toward parents who took the time to come out and advocate for their children.  We need more parents like those at the PEP.  </p>
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		<title>By: Ann Kjellberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Kjellberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 04:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why does everyone (Gotham Schools, the Times) say that parents were protesting the &quot;drop in test scores&quot;?  Parents weren&#039;t angered by the fact that scores &quot;fell,&quot; they were angered by the fact that they are MEANINGLESS: when testers arbitrarily change from year to year what they mean by &quot;proficiency,&quot; and then use these phantasmal changes to close schools, reward and sanction teachers and administrators, award school placements, de facto alter curriculum, the scores become a simple political pretext, not a measure of reality--indeed, a lie.  Test scores improved during an election year and then fell a year later--surprise. Our kids lose and the politicians win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does everyone (Gotham Schools, the Times) say that parents were protesting the &#8220;drop in test scores&#8221;?  Parents weren&#8217;t angered by the fact that scores &#8220;fell,&#8221; they were angered by the fact that they are MEANINGLESS: when testers arbitrarily change from year to year what they mean by &#8220;proficiency,&#8221; and then use these phantasmal changes to close schools, reward and sanction teachers and administrators, award school placements, de facto alter curriculum, the scores become a simple political pretext, not a measure of reality&#8211;indeed, a lie.  Test scores improved during an election year and then fell a year later&#8211;surprise. Our kids lose and the politicians win.</p>
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		<title>By: Invictus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Invictus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 02:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David K. P, to expect people to act with civility and reasonably in the face of such damning evidence of corruption and ineptness from part of the people who are supposed to advocate for the real improvement and betterment of children in NYC, after 8 years of nothing but a big sham, is to expect too much.  

Yes, it might not be productive to use a bull horn to blare at the members of the PEP panel but then, it is not as if these straw men and women really are listening or taking what the communities and all parties involved in NYC Public Schools really care what they have to say.  

Yes, the Supreme Leader and the Dear Leader are responsible for Potemkin School Systems they have built.  In plain English, they are a pack of liars who have been outed and even their Media mouth pieces cannot be write articles denouncing what is so blatantly obvious.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David K. P, to expect people to act with civility and reasonably in the face of such damning evidence of corruption and ineptness from part of the people who are supposed to advocate for the real improvement and betterment of children in NYC, after 8 years of nothing but a big sham, is to expect too much.  </p>
<p>Yes, it might not be productive to use a bull horn to blare at the members of the PEP panel but then, it is not as if these straw men and women really are listening or taking what the communities and all parties involved in NYC Public Schools really care what they have to say.  </p>
<p>Yes, the Supreme Leader and the Dear Leader are responsible for Potemkin School Systems they have built.  In plain English, they are a pack of liars who have been outed and even their Media mouth pieces cannot be write articles denouncing what is so blatantly obvious.  </p>
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		<title>By: ASTRAKA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ASTRAKA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 01:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David k.
The whole education reform movement is bizarre. Instead of the money being spent in schools, like the one you are working, to reduce class size,it is spent on charter schools that are not accountable to anybody, and to competitions (RttT) of questionable efficacy. The DOE under Bloomberg and Klein are using a slash-and-burn method to basically destroy public education rather than to improve it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David k.<br />
The whole education reform movement is bizarre. Instead of the money being spent in schools, like the one you are working, to reduce class size,it is spent on charter schools that are not accountable to anybody, and to competitions (RttT) of questionable efficacy. The DOE under Bloomberg and Klein are using a slash-and-burn method to basically destroy public education rather than to improve it.</p>
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		<title>By: Vote  NO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vote  NO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 01:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David K.

&quot;The bizarre echo chamber that these comment threads have become, with their “Supreme Leader” and CAPS LOCK hysteria, seem to imply that the fault should be laid wholly at the feet of the chancellor and the mayor. To which I reply, as a middle school teacher who works at one of the 15 lowest-performing schools in math for the 2009-10 school year (according to GS’s number-crunching): are you kidding me?&quot;

No,   no  one  is  kidding  you.  That  was  the  whole  premise  behind  &quot;MAYORAL  CONTROL.&quot;   It  was  to  hold  one  man, or  woman  (for  future  mayors)  accountable  for  the  school  system.  That  was  the  rational  given  in  2002,  when  the  mayor  won  control  of  the  schools.  For  many  years  critics  asserted  that  the  old  Board  of  Education  was  &quot;accountable  to  no  one.&quot;  

The current  law  has   a  sunset  provision  for  2015.  if  you  are  unhappy  with  holding  one  person  accountable  for  the  school  system,  you  can  lobby  your  state  legislators  to  NOT  renew  mayoral  control  for  NYC  schools  in  2015.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David K.</p>
<p>&#8220;The bizarre echo chamber that these comment threads have become, with their “Supreme Leader” and CAPS LOCK hysteria, seem to imply that the fault should be laid wholly at the feet of the chancellor and the mayor. To which I reply, as a middle school teacher who works at one of the 15 lowest-performing schools in math for the 2009-10 school year (according to GS’s number-crunching): are you kidding me?&#8221;</p>
<p>No,   no  one  is  kidding  you.  That  was  the  whole  premise  behind  &#8220;MAYORAL  CONTROL.&#8221;   It  was  to  hold  one  man, or  woman  (for  future  mayors)  accountable  for  the  school  system.  That  was  the  rational  given  in  2002,  when  the  mayor  won  control  of  the  schools.  For  many  years  critics  asserted  that  the  old  Board  of  Education  was  &#8220;accountable  to  no  one.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The current  law  has   a  sunset  provision  for  2015.  if  you  are  unhappy  with  holding  one  person  accountable  for  the  school  system,  you  can  lobby  your  state  legislators  to  NOT  renew  mayoral  control  for  NYC  schools  in  2015.</p>
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		<title>By: David K. Patterson</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/08/16/protesting-parents-bring-school-board-meeting-to-a-halt/comment-page-1/#comment-283100</link>
		<dc:creator>David K. Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 23:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Watching the thuggish and infantile behavior of the bullhorn-provisioned audience members on the videos posted at Ed Notes On-Line, I am left with all kinds of questions: Did many of the audience members want to reduce the obsession with testing and measurement, or did they want to see the tests made more challenging and rigorous? Were they angry that their kids were being measured by tests at all, or were they frustrated that the tests were not indicative of their real proficiency? Were they angry after they logged on to ARIS to see that their kids achieved a low level this year? And, if so, did many of the audience members really think their kids were actually doing better in school because they had gotten 2s or 3s for many years running, and now were getting 1s and 2s?  And if they didn&#039;t think this, were they just really upset that someone finally spelled out their true proficiency level for the record? 

Moving on: Did many of the audience members think that their kids&#039; teachers were responsible for such low levels of proficiency and performance? And did they think they should therefore be held to account for this? If not the teachers, then who do the audience members think is responsible for the low scores -- for the &quot;75 percent&quot; of kids who require remediation during their first year at CUNY schools, as the spokeswoman for the disruption announced through her bullhorn at the end of the meeting? 

The bizarre echo chamber that these comment threads have become, with their &quot;Supreme Leader&quot; and CAPS LOCK hysteria, seem to imply that the fault should be laid wholly at the feet of the chancellor and the mayor. To which I reply, as a middle school teacher who works at one of the 15 lowest-performing schools in math for the 2009-10 school year (according to GS&#039;s number-crunching): are you kidding me?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching the thuggish and infantile behavior of the bullhorn-provisioned audience members on the videos posted at Ed Notes On-Line, I am left with all kinds of questions: Did many of the audience members want to reduce the obsession with testing and measurement, or did they want to see the tests made more challenging and rigorous? Were they angry that their kids were being measured by tests at all, or were they frustrated that the tests were not indicative of their real proficiency? Were they angry after they logged on to ARIS to see that their kids achieved a low level this year? And, if so, did many of the audience members really think their kids were actually doing better in school because they had gotten 2s or 3s for many years running, and now were getting 1s and 2s?  And if they didn&#8217;t think this, were they just really upset that someone finally spelled out their true proficiency level for the record? </p>
<p>Moving on: Did many of the audience members think that their kids&#8217; teachers were responsible for such low levels of proficiency and performance? And did they think they should therefore be held to account for this? If not the teachers, then who do the audience members think is responsible for the low scores &#8212; for the &#8220;75 percent&#8221; of kids who require remediation during their first year at CUNY schools, as the spokeswoman for the disruption announced through her bullhorn at the end of the meeting? </p>
<p>The bizarre echo chamber that these comment threads have become, with their &#8220;Supreme Leader&#8221; and CAPS LOCK hysteria, seem to imply that the fault should be laid wholly at the feet of the chancellor and the mayor. To which I reply, as a middle school teacher who works at one of the 15 lowest-performing schools in math for the 2009-10 school year (according to GS&#8217;s number-crunching): are you kidding me?</p>
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		<title>By: ASTRAKA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ASTRAKA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The PEP members (marionettes) are not bright enough to recognize the pain and the frustration that the DOE policies are causing the children and the parents of this city. They do not have the decency to allow parents to express their opinions as they relate to their child&#039;s education. It should be obvious to any logical person that the parents should be allowed to speak first. Then they could rubber-stamp whatever the Mayor wants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PEP members (marionettes) are not bright enough to recognize the pain and the frustration that the DOE policies are causing the children and the parents of this city. They do not have the decency to allow parents to express their opinions as they relate to their child&#8217;s education. It should be obvious to any logical person that the parents should be allowed to speak first. Then they could rubber-stamp whatever the Mayor wants.</p>
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		<title>By: Invictus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Invictus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More of the boilerplate nonsense that invalidated their &#039;procedural&#039;/rammed through the throat school closings meetings in January will be quite useful for another lawsuit if they do not really follow through with what they are expected to do according to the NYS Law about decisions related to Public Schools.  

Just looking at the ineptitude show by more of the underlings for the Supreme and the Dear leaders for all these years, they will gives us more of the same nonsense from last year, in this upcoming year.  It is after all, extremely difficult to &#039;attempt&#039; to be something entirely different that you were in for the longest.  

So, they should continue doing the same and continuously ignore the voice of the community, see how that works out in court.  

Even the corrupt politicians that have lined the pockets of The Supreme Leader, have all of the sudden realized that their game with feeding a different story to their communities and at the same time work against them and for the greedy Wall Street types that dominate Tweed and City Hall, means political suicide.  

The Supreme Leader (Bloomy) will not waste precious $$$$ buying the muffle that keeps these politicians quite IF, they begin to voice their opinions...as it has happened to Sharpton.  

PEP, is a farce that flies at the face and at the dignity of the regular NYers that expect due process.  

I wonder what the Supreme Leader underlings think when they hear people talking on the mike.  
David Chang and other Supreme Leader appointees have no spine or courage and if they think they will be able to taut their participation in the PEP as a stepping stone for better things, they better think again.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More of the boilerplate nonsense that invalidated their &#8216;procedural&#8217;/rammed through the throat school closings meetings in January will be quite useful for another lawsuit if they do not really follow through with what they are expected to do according to the NYS Law about decisions related to Public Schools.  </p>
<p>Just looking at the ineptitude show by more of the underlings for the Supreme and the Dear leaders for all these years, they will gives us more of the same nonsense from last year, in this upcoming year.  It is after all, extremely difficult to &#8216;attempt&#8217; to be something entirely different that you were in for the longest.  </p>
<p>So, they should continue doing the same and continuously ignore the voice of the community, see how that works out in court.  </p>
<p>Even the corrupt politicians that have lined the pockets of The Supreme Leader, have all of the sudden realized that their game with feeding a different story to their communities and at the same time work against them and for the greedy Wall Street types that dominate Tweed and City Hall, means political suicide.  </p>
<p>The Supreme Leader (Bloomy) will not waste precious $$$$ buying the muffle that keeps these politicians quite IF, they begin to voice their opinions&#8230;as it has happened to Sharpton.  </p>
<p>PEP, is a farce that flies at the face and at the dignity of the regular NYers that expect due process.  </p>
<p>I wonder what the Supreme Leader underlings think when they hear people talking on the mike.  <br />
David Chang and other Supreme Leader appointees have no spine or courage and if they think they will be able to taut their participation in the PEP as a stepping stone for better things, they better think again.  </p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please excuse my spelling, I meant higher.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please excuse my spelling, I meant higher.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roma, 

Yes, charter schools tests scores were still hire than district schools. All school scores were lower, but charters still came out above district schools on the whole, including a few schools that received 100% proficiency. You can see the report on Gotham Schools that came out about two weeks ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roma, </p>
<p>Yes, charter schools tests scores were still hire than district schools. All school scores were lower, but charters still came out above district schools on the whole, including a few schools that received 100% proficiency. You can see the report on Gotham Schools that came out about two weeks ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Akademos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akademos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Edwin Sanchez,

Should have written before, great comments in general, but in this particular case the majority of the responsibility for this mess does not lie with the parents, communities, teachers, school admin. staff, or students.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edwin Sanchez,</p>
<p>Should have written before, great comments in general, but in this particular case the majority of the responsibility for this mess does not lie with the parents, communities, teachers, school admin. staff, or students.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the first PEP so disrupted they couldn&#039;t hold it. This won&#039;t be the last though expect some extraordinary measures in the future to keep this from happening. Like holding it at the North Pole.

Another video is up.

More PEP Video - PEP members walk off the stage to taunts and jeers of parents, followed by parents holding their own meeting

Before I get to the video, I want to comment on Beth Fertig&#039;s coverage on WNYC. Was I at the same meeting? First the estimate of 50-60 parents is half of what is reported in the NY Times and Daily News. It&#039;s like BloomKlein report test scores.

Then comes this:

    &quot;Normally, the public waits until the end of the meeting to speak, after all other topics have been discussed. But the 50 or 60 parents who attended the meeting at Murry Bergtraum High School in Lower Manhattan didn&#039;t want to wait that long.&quot;
    &quot;Whose schools? Our schools!&quot; they chanted, as the panel&#039;s chairman David Chang stated, &quot;We have to do something. This is disorderly.&quot;Despite his pleas, the parents continued shouting for about half an hour.

Oh, poor David Chang, who is a pathetic creature of BloomKlein.

And oh, those spoiled parents. Can&#039;t wait till the end of the meeting after countless power points drive people into a death sleep?

There is no &quot;normally&quot; at the PEP. The public is often offered a chance to comment after an agenda item. And when requests and demands from the public are made they often give in. Not this time, though. They only wanted their spin to be spun and hopefully the press would leave before parents got to speak.

Notice no mention that the testing agenda item was never advertised, nor were people allowed to sign up for that specific agenda item before the meeting - since it was kept off the public agenda - and were forced to sign up for the general discussion (I know- I had #3). In fact when we walked in we were somewhat shocked to see that testing would be on the agenda.

Nor is there a mention that PEP member Patrick Sullivan made a request that parents be allowed to comment. Such requests have often been honored in the past.

The DOE shills get two paragraphs while Sullivan&#039;s eloquent response is ignored.


So much for the so-called &quot;liberal&quot; press. 

http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/2010/08/more-pep-video-pep-members-walk-off.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first PEP so disrupted they couldn&#8217;t hold it. This won&#8217;t be the last though expect some extraordinary measures in the future to keep this from happening. Like holding it at the North Pole.</p>
<p>Another video is up.</p>
<p>More PEP Video &#8211; PEP members walk off the stage to taunts and jeers of parents, followed by parents holding their own meeting</p>
<p>Before I get to the video, I want to comment on Beth Fertig&#8217;s coverage on WNYC. Was I at the same meeting? First the estimate of 50-60 parents is half of what is reported in the NY Times and Daily News. It&#8217;s like BloomKlein report test scores.</p>
<p>Then comes this:</p>
<p>    &#8220;Normally, the public waits until the end of the meeting to speak, after all other topics have been discussed. But the 50 or 60 parents who attended the meeting at Murry Bergtraum High School in Lower Manhattan didn&#8217;t want to wait that long.&#8221;<br />
    &#8220;Whose schools? Our schools!&#8221; they chanted, as the panel&#8217;s chairman David Chang stated, &#8220;We have to do something. This is disorderly.&#8221;Despite his pleas, the parents continued shouting for about half an hour.</p>
<p>Oh, poor David Chang, who is a pathetic creature of BloomKlein.</p>
<p>And oh, those spoiled parents. Can&#8217;t wait till the end of the meeting after countless power points drive people into a death sleep?</p>
<p>There is no &#8220;normally&#8221; at the PEP. The public is often offered a chance to comment after an agenda item. And when requests and demands from the public are made they often give in. Not this time, though. They only wanted their spin to be spun and hopefully the press would leave before parents got to speak.</p>
<p>Notice no mention that the testing agenda item was never advertised, nor were people allowed to sign up for that specific agenda item before the meeting &#8211; since it was kept off the public agenda &#8211; and were forced to sign up for the general discussion (I know- I had #3). In fact when we walked in we were somewhat shocked to see that testing would be on the agenda.</p>
<p>Nor is there a mention that PEP member Patrick Sullivan made a request that parents be allowed to comment. Such requests have often been honored in the past.</p>
<p>The DOE shills get two paragraphs while Sullivan&#8217;s eloquent response is ignored.</p>
<p>So much for the so-called &#8220;liberal&#8221; press. </p>
<p><a href="http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/2010/08/more-pep-video-pep-members-walk-off.html" rel="nofollow">http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/2010/08/more-pep-video-pep-members-walk-off.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 17:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just dying to know: when is the last time a NYC school board meeting has ended with a protest-inspired walkout like this? A little context, please!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just dying to know: when is the last time a NYC school board meeting has ended with a protest-inspired walkout like this? A little context, please!</p>
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