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		<title>By: Times tracks test troubles - EdVANTAGE Blog - The Official Blog of the New York State Council of School Superintendents</title>
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		<dc:creator>Times tracks test troubles - EdVANTAGE Blog - The Official Blog of the New York State Council of School Superintendents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 18:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Polo Colon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polo Colon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 23:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current FAILURE REPORT of Chancellor Bloomberg, &quot;The Education Mayor&quot; and his Robot, Klein only proves that the numbers had been fudged, the tests were dumbed down and the stats were juked!















































         



























































    TEN years, approaching 200 BILLION DOLLARS, several &quot;REORGANIZATIONS&quot;, decimation of the Teaching Corps with administration and what we have here, is a result of the tremendous inane and insane ineptitude of administrative terrorists that know nothing about how to educate children in NYC! 















































































































Bloomberg &amp; Klein nwould serve the world better as the glorified CPA&#039;s they are, having little to no teaching experience in the trenches! Their incompetence is only exceeded by their arrogance, ego and the snowjob they&#039;ve done to New York! 
                                                                                                                            

































































The lack of accountability on their part is murderous!  Their spin has been horrendous!  The lack of public outcry and apathy is SCARY!

































































































So, apparently, the current state of the American conscience is summed up by the credo:  money talks &amp; bs walks&quot;!  








































































































Sycophants, brown-nosers and mercenaries of the gangs of the Banana Republic of New York at the New Tamany Hall, Tweed, you must be proud of yourselves, but the chickens will all soon come home to roost!












































































































Everyone in the schools were commenting about
how EASY the tests were this year!  And yet, THE SCORES STILL WERE DOWN!!!



































































































 FIRE BLOOMBERG &amp; KLEIN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current FAILURE REPORT of Chancellor Bloomberg, &#8220;The Education Mayor&#8221; and his Robot, Klein only proves that the numbers had been fudged, the tests were dumbed down and the stats were juked!</p>
<p>    TEN years, approaching 200 BILLION DOLLARS, several &#8220;REORGANIZATIONS&#8221;, decimation of the Teaching Corps with administration and what we have here, is a result of the tremendous inane and insane ineptitude of administrative terrorists that know nothing about how to educate children in NYC! </p>
<p>Bloomberg &amp; Klein nwould serve the world better as the glorified CPA&#8217;s they are, having little to no teaching experience in the trenches! Their incompetence is only exceeded by their arrogance, ego and the snowjob they&#8217;ve done to New York! </p>
<p>The lack of accountability on their part is murderous!  Their spin has been horrendous!  The lack of public outcry and apathy is SCARY!</p>
<p>So, apparently, the current state of the American conscience is summed up by the credo:  money talks &amp; bs walks&#8221;!  </p>
<p>Sycophants, brown-nosers and mercenaries of the gangs of the Banana Republic of New York at the New Tamany Hall, Tweed, you must be proud of yourselves, but the chickens will all soon come home to roost!</p>
<p>Everyone in the schools were commenting about<br />
how EASY the tests were this year!  And yet, THE SCORES STILL WERE DOWN!!!</p>
<p> FIRE BLOOMBERG &amp; KLEIN!</p>
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		<title>By: Business Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Business Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Practical Guide In Multi-family Apartment Investment...&lt;/strong&gt;

I found your entry interesting thus I&#039;ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)...</description>
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<p>I found your entry interesting thus I&#8217;ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog <img src='http://gothamschools.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: philip nobile</title>
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		<dc:creator>philip nobile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current scandal over the integrity of test results should not obscure the other fraud factor: extensive principal and teacher cheating. No matter where the cut score is set, as long as teachers grade the exams and principals wink, there will always be tampering. Neither the DOE nor the UFT has any interest in stopping the cheating that masks the true measure of the achievement gap. What a pity that nobody has clean hands in this mess, except the blessed whistleblowers who seem to be running scared these days without support from the UFT. I know a teacher who appealed to Mulgrew and NYSUT lawyers, personally and repeatedly, to help him make a dicey corruption report about phony credit recovery in a school. It&#039;s been three weeks now without a response to his phone call and follow-up emails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current scandal over the integrity of test results should not obscure the other fraud factor: extensive principal and teacher cheating. No matter where the cut score is set, as long as teachers grade the exams and principals wink, there will always be tampering. Neither the DOE nor the UFT has any interest in stopping the cheating that masks the true measure of the achievement gap. What a pity that nobody has clean hands in this mess, except the blessed whistleblowers who seem to be running scared these days without support from the UFT. I know a teacher who appealed to Mulgrew and NYSUT lawyers, personally and repeatedly, to help him make a dicey corruption report about phony credit recovery in a school. It&#8217;s been three weeks now without a response to his phone call and follow-up emails.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re looking for a culprit in this, you can start with Jim Kadamus who wrote a letter to the editor in today&#039;s NY Times defending the whole examinatin procedure in New York State and talking about standards and how the NYS testing program was based on the most up to date (1996) research on testing.  Of course Mr. Kadamus is the same person who after the 2003 Math A and Physics Exam fiascos (where even suburban kids were failing so it couldn&#039;t just be thrown out as a product of the poor educational shystems in the big 5 cities of New York State) blamed the teachers for not adhering to the standards and would not accept the fact both exams were idiotic and messed up (which his boss, the infamous Richard Mills tried to defend also).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re looking for a culprit in this, you can start with Jim Kadamus who wrote a letter to the editor in today&#8217;s NY Times defending the whole examinatin procedure in New York State and talking about standards and how the NYS testing program was based on the most up to date (1996) research on testing.  Of course Mr. Kadamus is the same person who after the 2003 Math A and Physics Exam fiascos (where even suburban kids were failing so it couldn&#8217;t just be thrown out as a product of the poor educational shystems in the big 5 cities of New York State) blamed the teachers for not adhering to the standards and would not accept the fact both exams were idiotic and messed up (which his boss, the infamous Richard Mills tried to defend also).</p>
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		<title>By: Pogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 09:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A strong condemnation of the ease of these tests can also be found in Diana Senechal&#039;s fantastic GS article, &quot;Guessing My Way To Promotion.&quot; (8/17/09) A real eye-opener.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A strong condemnation of the ease of these tests can also be found in Diana Senechal&#8217;s fantastic GS article, &#8220;Guessing My Way To Promotion.&#8221; (8/17/09) A real eye-opener.</p>
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		<title>By: Akademos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akademos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 04:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry but this is absolutely unacceptable negligence at the very least. Even people who admittedly don&#039;t know curricula or pedagogy shouldn&#039;t need a rundown on using tests to prepare for tests, especially if they are running a school system, using scores to rate and close schools, and intend to use scores to rate and dismiss teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but this is absolutely unacceptable negligence at the very least. Even people who admittedly don&#8217;t know curricula or pedagogy shouldn&#8217;t need a rundown on using tests to prepare for tests, especially if they are running a school system, using scores to rate and close schools, and intend to use scores to rate and dismiss teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 03:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The question that motivated this week’s scrutiny of the state tests was: Is the increasing number of New York students passing the tests a sign that they know more — or is it a mirage?&quot;

Gee, this is a simple one to accomplish. Pick a few hundred kids randomly and go in and test them - in late September. Then really see the fur fly.

Why not issue a ban on all test prep and test prep materials? Oh, poor McGraw Hill and all the other vultures- so don&#039;t ever expect this to happen.

Not that teachers - motivated by tiny little threats of being fired - how fast we moved from paying cash bonuses to entire schools - wouldn&#039;t find a way to do test prep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The question that motivated this week’s scrutiny of the state tests was: Is the increasing number of New York students passing the tests a sign that they know more — or is it a mirage?&#8221;</p>
<p>Gee, this is a simple one to accomplish. Pick a few hundred kids randomly and go in and test them &#8211; in late September. Then really see the fur fly.</p>
<p>Why not issue a ban on all test prep and test prep materials? Oh, poor McGraw Hill and all the other vultures- so don&#8217;t ever expect this to happen.</p>
<p>Not that teachers &#8211; motivated by tiny little threats of being fired &#8211; how fast we moved from paying cash bonuses to entire schools &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t find a way to do test prep.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonie Haimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonie Haimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 02:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And another thing; the field tests themselves showed the tests were getting easier,  something that the SED and their technical advisory committee should have noticed and probably did.  Doesn&#039;t anyone remember Erin Einhorn&#039;s article on this from the Daily News in 2007?  

On our blog, we reproduced the News&#039; chart showing the changing &quot;p scores&quot; on the field tests, which showed that the questions were getting easier, and closely predicted the rise in the test scores.  For those who&#039;d like to see it, the posting is dated Wednesday, September 5, 2007, in a column by Steve Koss, called “Here are the numbers. Everything is improving. Trust us.”   The original Daily News article seems to be off the web now, but thankfully we kept the chart.

Susan Ohanian&#039;s blog at the time also reprinted Erin&#039;s article which has the following quote: &quot;There&#039;s less than a 5% chance that [the results] are due to chance,&quot; said James Corter, a professor of education and statistics at Columbia University&#039;s Teachers College. &quot;The fact that it&#039;s a small sample is not at all important. I think you&#039;ve got really good evidence here ... that the 2005 test was easier.&quot;

and: &quot;In 2005, the happy news that city fourth-graders had dusted their predecessors and showed record gains on the state exam helped buoy Mayor Bloomberg&#039;s reelection drive just weeks before Election Day. &quot;

&quot;Did Bloomberg&#039;s leadership boost the scores? Not if you ask 9-year-old Kirwin Seger. When he participated in The News&#039;experiment, he was among several students who said he finished the 2005 test faster than the 2002 version. &quot;The 2002 questions were more complicated than in 2005,&quot; he said. &quot;In 2005, they kept it short, simple and sweet.&quot;

And here we are, three years later, and we&#039;re supposed to believe that the state made an honest mistake because they believed the field tests were actually harder than they were?  The revisionist history on this is rather startling, to put it mildly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thing; the field tests themselves showed the tests were getting easier,  something that the SED and their technical advisory committee should have noticed and probably did.  Doesn&#8217;t anyone remember Erin Einhorn&#8217;s article on this from the Daily News in 2007?  </p>
<p>On our blog, we reproduced the News&#8217; chart showing the changing &#8220;p scores&#8221; on the field tests, which showed that the questions were getting easier, and closely predicted the rise in the test scores.  For those who&#8217;d like to see it, the posting is dated Wednesday, September 5, 2007, in a column by Steve Koss, called “Here are the numbers. Everything is improving. Trust us.”   The original Daily News article seems to be off the web now, but thankfully we kept the chart.</p>
<p>Susan Ohanian&#8217;s blog at the time also reprinted Erin&#8217;s article which has the following quote: &#8220;There&#8217;s less than a 5% chance that [the results] are due to chance,&#8221; said James Corter, a professor of education and statistics at Columbia University&#8217;s Teachers College. &#8220;The fact that it&#8217;s a small sample is not at all important. I think you&#8217;ve got really good evidence here &#8230; that the 2005 test was easier.&#8221;</p>
<p>and: &#8220;In 2005, the happy news that city fourth-graders had dusted their predecessors and showed record gains on the state exam helped buoy Mayor Bloomberg&#8217;s reelection drive just weeks before Election Day. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Did Bloomberg&#8217;s leadership boost the scores? Not if you ask 9-year-old Kirwin Seger. When he participated in The News&#8217;experiment, he was among several students who said he finished the 2005 test faster than the 2002 version. &#8220;The 2002 questions were more complicated than in 2005,&#8221; he said. &#8220;In 2005, they kept it short, simple and sweet.&#8221;</p>
<p>And here we are, three years later, and we&#8217;re supposed to believe that the state made an honest mistake because they believed the field tests were actually harder than they were?  The revisionist history on this is rather startling, to put it mildly.</p>
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		<title>By: A Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, they made the tests and grading easier so that Bloomberg could show improvement. He got re-elected. Now they are setting things back so that in a few years they can show improvement again. When Cuomo becomes governor he&#039;ll be inheriting some nice low scores that he can also improve.  The problem with basing everything on tests scores is that, in reality, they can only be improved so much. Politicians like them though because they provide them with statistics which can be used and manipulated to show anything. In a few years they will be talking about how much higher the scores have gotten under Cuomo/Bloomberg and no one will really remember or care about how the scores went down that one year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, they made the tests and grading easier so that Bloomberg could show improvement. He got re-elected. Now they are setting things back so that in a few years they can show improvement again. When Cuomo becomes governor he&#8217;ll be inheriting some nice low scores that he can also improve.  The problem with basing everything on tests scores is that, in reality, they can only be improved so much. Politicians like them though because they provide them with statistics which can be used and manipulated to show anything. In a few years they will be talking about how much higher the scores have gotten under Cuomo/Bloomberg and no one will really remember or care about how the scores went down that one year.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonie Haimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonie Haimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get this.  What about that fact that a student could randomly guess the answers to multiple choice questions  in several exams and get a level two?  That&#039;s fairly obvious evidence of test score inflation; unrelated to either test prep or the difficultly of equating over time.

Moreover, I have heard that it&#039;s common practice for test contractors to put experimental, unscored sample questions into exams, which they do not release to the public, in order to make it easier to equate the exams over time.  Did CTB/McGraw and/or NY state ever do this?  And if not, why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get this.  What about that fact that a student could randomly guess the answers to multiple choice questions  in several exams and get a level two?  That&#8217;s fairly obvious evidence of test score inflation; unrelated to either test prep or the difficultly of equating over time.</p>
<p>Moreover, I have heard that it&#8217;s common practice for test contractors to put experimental, unscored sample questions into exams, which they do not release to the public, in order to make it easier to equate the exams over time.  Did CTB/McGraw and/or NY state ever do this?  And if not, why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fiorillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Fiorillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the mechanics of this fiasco (at best)/fraud (at worst) are useful to know, why no mention of the political dynamics at work during this period?

When it comes to spurious test scores in recent years, qui bono?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the mechanics of this fiasco (at best)/fraud (at worst) are useful to know, why no mention of the political dynamics at work during this period?</p>
<p>When it comes to spurious test scores in recent years, qui bono?</p>
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