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Klein celebrates no layoffs, hits the bar with young teachers

Question: If you’re Chancellor Joel Klein, how do you celebrate not having to lay off your newest 4,400 public school teachers?

Answer: By partying with a few dozen of those rookie teachers, of course.

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Chancellor Klein spoke to public school teachers, most of them recent hires, hours after Mayor Bloomberg announced there would be no teacher layoffs.

By “partying” I mean sipping what looked to be Coke while addressing a small crowd of young teachers at a Hell’s Kitchen bar. The teachers were a sympathetic crowd: Brought together by Educators 4 Excellence — a group created by teachers who hope to influence the public debate over seniority and teacher evaluations — the teachers gathered Wednesday evening to hear Klein speak.

While some of the teachers in attendance hailed from the Bronx’s P.S. 86, where E4E’s co-founders teach, others came from schools all over the city. Many were in Teach for America and in their first few years of working in the city’s public schools.

Educators 4 Excellence’s founders, Evan Stone and Syndey Morris, see their organization as a way for these teachers to be heard outside of the city’s teachers union, which does not share many of their views. Newly incorporated as a non-profit, they’re beginning to look for funders while also trying to keep their independence from all of the education reform groups already in existence. Stone said this will likely mean having a board of directors composed of current and former teachers and a separate group of funders that doesn’t control the organization.

I’d tell you about the chancellor’s remarks, but Klein’s staff and the event’s hosts decided his comments should be off the record, so this photo of the chancellor bathed in the light of a Jack Daniels sign will have to suffice.

When it came time to ask Klein questions, several teachers raised their hands and said they were concerned about administrative incompetence and the mistreatment of students at their schools, but said they didn’t know where to report the problems. Others wondered what would be done to prevent seniority-based layoffs from happening next year, when the federal stimulus funds that have been cushioning the city’s budget expire.

After taking their questions, Klein walked through the bar shaking hands and accepting thanks from gratefully employed teachers.

A point of clarification: A story I wrote earlier this year described Educators 4 Excellence as “entirely unfunded.”  In fact, the development costs for the group’s website were paid for by Education Reform Now, an advocacy group that recently waged a campaign for more charter schools and an end to seniority-based layoffs. Stone and Morris pay for the website’s upkeep on their own.

Stone told me today that he and Morris have only begun to look for outside funding for the group. He wrote in an email:

We will be looking for funding very soon as we currently don’t have any money. Even the event last night was paid for out of my teaching salary. Hopefully any gotham school readers and or reporters who share our views will help us to continue to build an authentic voice for teachers by donating to our organization.

  • Peter

    We assume, and we know the pitfalls of “assuming,” that we can differentiate among teachers through the use of pupil achievement data, in a dense, highly technical article, Jesse Rothstein casts serious doubt on the base assumption. (http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/staiger/files/rothstein%2Bteacher%2Beffects%2Bqje2010.pdf)
    The fallacy of data, the pitfalls of principals choice, the impact of race and gender and physical preference, the fairest, most neutral method for layoff may very well be seniority. BTW, that’s why it is used in so many situations.

    If the 4Excellence teachers want to “influence” union policy, how about using the old, fashioned democratic process, get elected as a Chapter Leader or Delegate, allowing yourself to be used by the anti-union thugs is not the way to influence union policy.

  • http://www.sinksalive.blogspot.com KitchenSink

    Attendee, for some people, there is ONLY conspiracy theory. Nothing else explains anything!

  • Michael Fiorillo

    Peter,

    “Democratic process?”

    As you yourself write, how old-fashioned, and inefficient.

  • Michael Fiorillo

    Attendee,

    You say that these two are financing this Trojan Horse campaign themselves.

    Then please explain how, on new teachers salaries, their web site is produced by Media Mezcla LLC, which also represents Wall Street -funded, pro-privatization entities such as Education Reform Now, Harlem Success Academy and Democrats for Education Reform?

    I am not so credulous as to think this is a coincidence. Are you?

  • An Effective Teacher Says…

    “Setting up and running an organization while teaching is impressive, but getting 80 or so teachers to show up on a school night is more impressive.”

    They went to a bar on a school night.

    They did not go to a sit down meeting and discuss effective teaching skills or to a professional development to learn classroom management skills.

    That’s not impressive – and to me that’s not professional.

    At my school we also have some new teachers and they too go to bars on school nights. While these “great” teachers are “having fun” I was grading and planning my lessons so that my students would benefit in the morning from a non-hung-over teacher.

  • http://themortonschool.blogspot.com Miss Eyre

    I’m still absolutely boggled, 24 hours later, by trying to guess what message the Chancellor was trying to send by being out with this group.  I’m not going to engage in the “But it was a SCHOOL NIGHT!” Puritanism; I’ve occasionally had a drink or two on a school night, or enjoyed some social time, or both.  Like the vast majority of employable adults, I know when to stop.  Rather, I was already concerned about this faux-grassroots group; I have never trusted the Chancellor; and I have what I believe is a healthy skepticism about in-crowds.   This situation stinks.  

    I think I’ll buy into Evan-and-SydneyMania if, in ten or so years, they voluntarily and happily step aside for someone who makes a fraction of what they make because that person’s test scores are marginally better, when Evan and Sydney have mortgages and children.  Then I’ll believe it.

  • Mustafa

    ^^^said so well!

  • Smith

    Teachers Rock,
    This was a political event so we’re making political comments. You want to hear us talk education? Write a post about teaching strategies, classroom management or school administration. We’ll have plenty to say. But I’ll bet Joel Klein won’t be reading.

  • miss teacher

    Very well said, Miss Eyre, but do we really believe that Evan and Sydney plan to still be teaching in 10 years? In 5? How many TFA people really stay in the classroom? Forget “in education” which could signify any number of things- I mean in the classroom, with the kids.

  • Vote NO

    After massive “waves” of retirements in the late 1990s, and early in the last decade: Why are there still so many young, inexperienced teachers in the NYC school system? It seems like there are too many teachers with fewer than 5 years in the system. Has the turnover rate increased in recent years? There should be a very large group of teachers in the 8-12 year range.

  • Dirk McQuigley

    Every study on teacher seniority and test scores has shown that students of veteran teachers outscore those of newer teachers. And that includes YOU, you snot-nosed, superiority complex Teaching Fellows.

  • Michael Fiorillo

    Dirk McQuigley,

    Your ire should be directed at Teach for America, not the Teaching Fellows. There’s a big difference between the two.

    By and large, Teaching Fellows enter the system wanting to become career teachers. Many of them have experience in other fields, and bring that into the classroom. In my experience, they want to teach in NYC for the long haul if they can, and quickly perceive the many ways that they, their colleagues and their students are being abused by the current regime.

    Teach for America, on the other hand, is a hybrid of cult and reserve army of scabs, embedded for the purpose of fragmenting and privatizing the public schools. They have an explicit missionary attitude – which includes the archetypal patronizing and condescension towards the communities they parachute into – doing their two-year bit and then going on to their “real” careers, with the exception of those who are chosen and groomed to be union-busting administrators, a la Michelle Rhee.

    Early in the 20th century, Ivy League students were often recruited as strikebreakers throughout the Northeastern states. Columbia students scabbed during transport strikes here in NYC. Harvard students scabbed during the great Lawrence textile strike of 1913. The great labor painter Ralph Fassanella did a series of paintings about the Lawrence strike, and in one a little boy is holding a placard that reads “Go Back to School.” It was directed at the scabs from Harvard.

    TFA is just today’s reiteration of that same class antagonism, but expressed in a much more dishonest and insidious way, and supplemented with large sums spent on polling, PR and focus groups.

  • Dirk McQuigley

    The NYC Teaching Fellows program is also run by Michelle Rhee and her New Teacher Project. I have also found these fellows to be anti-union scum who will knife their colleagues in the back to gain points with the principal. These business-world failures should go back to their old fields and if they really want to teach, go about it through the traditional route.

  • http://themortonschool.blogspot.com Miss Eyre

    As a Teaching Fellow, I take the strongest possible exception to your comments.  I have nothing but respect and admiration for my colleagues who have stuck it out in this difficult system for decades, and hope to count myself among them someday.  I am as disappointed as anyone with what I see as the union’s general failure in some areas and wish that the union I support with my dues would stand up for our interests more strongly.  

    People like you must share some of the blame for not bringing younger, alternatively-certified teachers to the union cause.  While most of my more veteran colleagues have been open to and supportive of people like me working alongside them, for which I am certainly grateful, the toxic attitude of the minority opinion like that above only serves to calcify resistance to solidarity. 

  • Real Teacher

    Well, in my school, there is a clique of Fellows that refuses to assimilate into the school faculty. They denegrate veteran teachers and say that they should all retire to make room for THEM. One of them actuallyu said “Why should I pay my dues?” In the past, all young teachers paid their dues and didn’t complain about being the “low man on the totem pole.” Why do these arrogant punks refuse to pay their dues like everyone else before them? Why such a sense of entitlement? They even complain about paying $2,500 towards their Master’s degree. Meanwhile the traditional route teachers pay up to ten times as much!

  • Michael Fiorillo

    Real Teacher,

    If that’s the case, then they should be set straight at an opportune moment.

    My original comment was based on personal experience, which is obviously limited. I’ve heard many rumors that incoming TFAers are explicitly told to avoid veteran teachers; perhaps that’s the case with Fellows now, as well. If so, it wouldn’t be that surprising, since it’s all about divide and conquer.

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  • Interested Reader

    How …..nice.

    With my experience as a student in NYC, new teachers are generally less productive than older teachers. They do not have ‘new ideas’ and they are not always ‘full of zest’.
    New teachers are generally the most dull teachers in my school; they have just finished learning (by the books) how to teach. For them to become effective, they need much more experience and/or help. Which is why I also support 5 year probationary periods, and schools should really have more student teachers, as they benefit the student teachers themselves and the teacher that receives a student teacher.

    However, I am against firing senior teachers merely because they cost more. They have earned it. Teaching is generally a low profit education. Teachers have a low salary compared to the amount of years they need to work up to an actual job. Plus, they have to buy materials for teaching, as schools buy less and less for classrooms(thank you, Albany). I do not see why teachers who are finally earning the income they deserve should be fired.

  • Smith

    I know nothing of TFA other than what I read, but my experience with Teaching Fellows has been similar to Michael’s. And I’ve never heard one of them say a good word about Joel Klein.

  • Smith

    And furthermore, I think Teaching Fellows have done a lot to get the word out in upper middle class, white collar circles about how tough our jobs are. They could be doing a lot more to inform the public at large, but that would require an organized effort by the UFT, which is not savvy enough to do it.

  • fedup

    Dirk McQuigley said it all- The administration is bankrupt of any credibility-they are out to destroy PUBLIC education and these E4E brats are pawns.. but shame also on the union leaders who cowered and refused to say no to Bloomberg Quinn and their backers who allowed the billionaire bozo to stick around despite TERM LIMITS-Shame on them all and let the out of town yupsters go back to where they came from and let teachers teach!!!!

  • jack

    Our union is weak, and all teachers suffer because of that.

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