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What to expect when you’re expecting layoffs: a rough guide

We’re told there are layoffs coming. But how many people will be laid off? Who will they be? And will you or your child’s teacher be among them?

“I wish I had more money and I wish I had more clarity,” was Chancellor Joel Klein’s answer to these questions a few weeks ago, speaking to principals by conference call.

The process of laying off teachers in New York City is so complex that few people have clear answers right now. But after studying the state law that sets teacher hiring and firing rules, talking to union and city officials, and looking back to the 1970s — the last time a economic crisis forced thousands of teacher layoffs — I have some clues. Here are answers to questions I’ve heard from parents and teachers (send more!).

Will there be layoffs?
Several scenarios exist that could reduce — but probably not eliminate — the number of layoffs.

In its leaderless, unpredictable state, Albany could rewrite the budget forecast as I type these words. Governor Paterson’s budget, and the budget passed in the Senate, cut about $500 million from New York City schools. When you add in the city’s increased operating costs, the losses come to $750 million. Klein has translated that to mean roughly 6,400 lost teaching jobs next year. Of that, 2,000 would be lost when teachers retire or move and the city plans to cut the other 4,400 through layoffs.

If the State Assembly decreases the education cut, the layoff numbers could go down. Another possibility is that the city’s teachers union, the United Federation of Teachers, could cut a deal that would freeze teacher salaries in exchange for fewer layoffs. And yet another unpredictable element is S. 3206, the Keep Our Educators Working Act. Sponsored by Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin and backed by the Obama White House, the bill would devote $23 billion to helping states avoid teacher layoffs. If Congress approves the bill, New York City would get a $400 million lifeline.

How will the city decide which teachers lose their jobs?

Rules for layoffs were first written into New York’s education law in 1976. They say:

Whenever a teaching position is abolished under this chapter, the services of the person holding a position within the tenure area of the position which is to be abolished who has the least seniority in the city school district, including all full-time equivalent substitute service and all full-time equivalent service as a paraprofessional, shall be discontinued, provided that the services of a person who has acquired tenure within such tenure area shall not be discontinued if another person holding a position within such tenure area has not acquired tenure.

You mean you didn’t understand that?
The law means that the city has to lay off teachers based on how recently they were hired, with some leeway. Rather than taking all the most recent hires and firing them without considering what subject they teach, the law allows officials to make layoffs according to subject area.

Hypothetically, hundreds of elementary school classroom teachers could lose their jobs, but only a dozen science teachers could be laid off and almost no special education teachers would have to go. Right now, city education officials are puzzling over exactly how deeply to cut from each kind of position.

One way to decide which subjects to cut the most would be to let principals decide which positions they can live without. But the city has calculated that these decisions could take far too long to make, and so officials are instead making projections themselves.

According to a source, officials will calculate how many teachers will have to be cut from each subject area by studying schools’ past behavior and looking at hiring trends.

Does where I teach matter?
These cuts will happen on a citywide basis. This means that if the city estimates it has to cut 500 middle school social studies positions, the middle school social studies teachers who will lose their jobs are the 500 newest hires across all five boroughs. It doesn’t matter if your principal likes you and can afford to keep you on staff; you’re the rookie and you’ve got to go.

New schools that hired their entire staff in the last two years are likely to be hit the hardest by layoffs. And of all the boroughs, the Bronx would suffer the most as it employs many of the city’s most recent hires.

City officials have predicted that elementary school classroom teachers are likely to bear the brunt of the cuts. They’ve also said that teachers working in hard-to-staff subjects — like high school special education or chemistry — will probably see fewer layoffs.

But Klein keeps saying he wants to lay off teachers based on their ability. Could that happen?
Even the most diehard, anti-seniority-based layoffs city officials currently view this as a pipe dream. The law is the law, and there aren’t any signs this will change in the next few weeks.

Who’s going to be teaching my child next year?
In the worst case budget scenario, if your child’s teacher was hired in the last two years and teaches a subject that’s not in high demand, chances are good that she will lose her job. Another teacher may take her place if the school can afford to fill the vacancy, in which case the newly arrived teacher will be more senior and come from another school that either couldn’t afford him or that he left of his own volition.

If your school’s principal can’t stretch the budget to fill the vacancy, class sizes will probably rise. If it’s a high school, the principal may have to drop certain classes from the school’s offerings.

When will I know if I’m being laid off?
Department of Education officials hope to give principals their budgets for next year by June 1, so you could find out shortly afterward that your position has been eliminated at your school. But that doesn’t mean you’ve been laid off.

The teachers union contract says you have to be told about layoffs on or near June 15, but you shouldn’t view that as a hard deadline. If any of the moving parts change — if Albany alters the budget cut or if the federal government passes the education bailout bill — the news may come quite a bit later.

If I’m a teacher and I am laid off, do I get severance pay?
No. You will be paid through the summer and for the vacation days and sick days you didn’t use.

How long will my health insurance last?
Your city health insurance will expire 90 days from the day you are laid off. At that point, you can extend your health benefits with COBRA, which allows you to keep your insurance temporarily but requires you to pay the entire premium. It’s cheaper than getting individual health insurance.

In the words of one school official: “Go see your doctor; go to the dentist; go to the gynecologist, do it all.”

What happens if I’m laid off and then economic conditions improve?
The city has to keep what’s known as a “recall list” of all the teachers who’ve been laid off by order of seniority within their subject area. If jobs become available, the city can recall you. This process can be just as chaotic as layoffs are because, like layoffs, recalling is done on a citywide scale. This means that if you were laid off from a job in the Bronx you could be recalled and offered first rights to a job in Staten Island, even if your old school has an opening in your license area and wants to hire you back. First rights to that job could go to another teacher who’s ahead of you in the recall line.

In the mid-1970s, the last time layoffs of this scale were carried out, the city laid off 15,000 teachers and then tried to recall 10,000 of them. Only 3,000 ever returned to the system.

Send more questions to tips@gothamschools.org.

  • Math Teacher Bklyn

    So in other words new teachers like me will never get hired, why did I want to be a teacher in the first place?

  • QueensParent

    Math Teacher Bklyn it’s called “eating the babies.” Only the most vicious of species do it and we’re about to see it happen here.

  • Mikeremhead

    So how will bumping work? If my school is told they have to lay off two English teachers and those teachers have more seniority than the teachers in the school downstairs, will they be able to bump them?

  • Math Teacher Bklyn

    I’m just going to be abandoned cause I’m not even in the system yet.

  • miss teacher

    Mikeremhead- my understanding is that you are correct. Similarly, the school downstairs from mine has mostly new teachers. That staff will need to be replenished. So I imagine that possibly, teachers from my school could fill some of those openings.

    Math Teacher Bklyn- you never know, there could still be a buyout. It’s a shame that people are going to be laid off when the city is going to spend $5 million on recruiting. I still can’t believe the PEP voted for that- but then again, I shouldn’t be surprised.

  • TeacherTeacher

    Would the DOE layoff by position or by certification? There is a major difference. For instance, The DOE may decide to eliminate 500 middle school s.s. positions ( the same example as in the article). But lets say my certification is s.s. 7-12. Could I be bumped into a high school position that was filled by a junior teacher or would I be lumped with all middle school teachers because that is the position I have held for years. It seems layoffs by certification seems most logical, but who knows?

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  • Math Teacher Bklyn

    I dont know they are recurting if their are so many special ed vacancies why are they not advertising them my wife is special ed certifed and she can only find 2 openings and they say they can only hire within right now this is all craziness

  • hopefully helpful

    1. Layoffs are done by city license area, not your state certification area. For example, the city could decide to layoff people in the Social Studies JHS license area, but not the Social Studies DHS area. It will depend on the budget and enrollment implications at the school level(s). If you are a new teacher and concerned you are not in the right license, or have no idea, your payroll secretary can tell you.
    2. If you listen to the Chancellor’s webcast that Gotham Schools posted, there will likely be no bumping. If people who are least senior are laid off and vacancies are created based on those layoffs, the principal will need to fill those vacancies via the Open Market Transfer system by hiring people who want to transfer, including excesses.

  • richard mangone

    UFT president Mike Mulgrew recently wrote a common sense editorial in the Daily News regarding a teacher retirement incentive. Is there any discussion about a buy out at the negotiating table?

  • http://perdidostreetschool.blogspot.com reality-based educator

    Klein has plenty of money – he has just chosen to spend it on 1) payoffs to the New Teacher Project and other Bloomberg/Klein cronies 2) No-bid testing contracts to McGraw-Hill and the like 3) hiring eight new deputy chancellors 4) a FOURTH reorganization of the DOE in the last nine years.

    You want to keep all the teachers on staff now working? Institute a moratorium on the Acuity Testing program, the contracts handing out to develop new tests, and the contracts that will be needed to create the new city tests that will be in EVERY subject in EVERY grade when the new teacher evaluation system goes through.

    Also, cut the raises to City Council and Bloomberg’s staff. Excess the newly hired eight deputy chancellors back to whatever hedge fund-created non-profit they crawled from.

    There is PLENTY of money to cover the 4400 teachers that Kleinberg plan on laying off after 2000 leave by attrition.

    They just need to REALLOCATE it.

    I just do not understand why people take what Klein and Bloomberg say at face value, especially when it comes to money and the budget.

    They are politicians – that is like a notch below used car salesman on the ethics front.

    It is a shame that the news media and blogs such as this one cannot muster the courage to actually check out the numbers and show just WHAT Klein and Bloomberg are spending their money on.

    But the masters who provide the funding for both the news media and blogs like this – the hedge funders and their ilk – wouldn’t like that, would they?

    So instead we get jive like this post.

  • I noticed that…

    reality-based educator is correct! I was at the PEP meeting at LIC HS on 5/18/10. The PEP members and Klein voted in favor of spending close to $45 millions dollars on no-bid contracts and some of those bids can wait until July1. Three PEP members continued to persuade the others not to vote for those contracts, to wait until a real budget comes from Albany and then make the decisions. I must commend those three PEP Members – P. Sullivan, D. Fedkowskyj, A. Santos – for taking a stand against the other PEP puppets. They told the chancellor that the decision of spending so much money in a time of financial uncertainty and the imminence of layoffs was considered an act of irresponsibility of the present leadership.

    Klein is spinning the no money in the coffer to pay teachers, but is squandering money on deputy chancellors, and $4.9 million on renewing the contract with New Teacher Project recruitment management organization. How can you hire new teachers and layoff present working teachers? Everyone should be up in arms about this! I was there at that meeting. It was shameful how the PEP puppets look at each other to make sure their hands went up at the same time except for the other three brave PEP members who knew that voting to spend money now is the solution to the schools’ fiscal problems. Those three PEP members truly care for the children of NYC; the others want only fame of their shame!

  • I noticed that…

    CORRECTION:

    who knew that voting to spend money now is NOT the solution to the schools’ fiscal problems.
    sorry

  • bookworm

    I am truly expecting to be laid off. I am an ATR and licensed in Literacy K-12 and I ma sure the Literacy positions will be the first to go as principals cut (usually) highly paid (experienced with extra degrees) Literacy Specialists since Remedial Reading is not a mandate. Change the name of the class from “Remedial Reading” to “Intervention Services” and you can fill the position with ANY license, even a gym teacher.

  • Joe Schmo

    Hopefully Helpful states that Chancellor thinks there will be no bumping, at least according to the webcast for principals 2 weeks ago. I actually listened to the 45 min webcast, and it sounded very much that the Chancellor thinks there WILL be bumping. There are a lot of teachers with multiple certifications which also makes things complicated. If these deep layoffs happen, it is going to be a logistical nightmare for the DOE. I also believe the UFT leadership should be working around the clock with the City to make any moves needed to avoid these deep lay offs. (Pay/step freezes, no sabaticals for a year, early retirement incentive) And yes, I am a veteran teacher who is willing to take a pay freeze in order to keep class sizes down and to avoid layoffs of my colleagues. If the UFT lets these lay offs happen without making the city any kind of offer, it will cease to be a organization worth being a part of. A union is only as strong as it’s weakest members.

  • Jeff S

    You give a person like Klein, a totally inept, uncertified lawyer who knows nothing bout education (remember Ms. Lam and the discredited literacy and fuzzy math programs that were imposed on the schools when he first came in and the three or four re-organizations as well as the needless closing of schools begetting the large ATR pool as well as the latest illegal closing of 19 schools, need I say more) an inch, then he’ll want even more. The fact is if they don’t want layoffs, they can easily avoid them with a meaningful retirement incentive. Why they object to this, I don’t understand. If teachers give up their raises, they are just playing into his poison pills. Let him squirm a little and come up with something that he can offer the teachers instead of his usual rhetoric about the teachers (it was good to see him put in his place when he continued his tired old refrain about seniority transfers at the City Council meeting yesterday). Unfortunately, too many people drink his kool aid and think he has done any sort of good for the kids (everybody in some sort of power position in education will always claim whatever harmful things they do, it is for the children). They want to avoid lay offs then, sit down with the union and negotiate something that will work for teachers as well as kids. If all these new teachers are so great (I’m not saying they aren’t mind you), then do something positive for the teachers you are obviously trying to get rid of within the context of a binding contract. But for teachers for one second to give up what they have coming to them under their contract is absurd.

  • Dr. Neverbetter

    The DOE “budget crisis” is invented, and re-invented, to bully the public.

    It’s a fraud.

    Obama/Klein reforms cost FAR more than their reciprocal savings or grants.

    The profiteers know it.

    Don’t take the bait!

  • Maestra

    Hopefully Helpful is helpful indeed, but notice the nonsense about the city teaching “license” and the need to consult one’s payroll secretary for information about it. Teacher certification responsibilities were completely taken over by the state in 2004, part of New York State’s effort to comply with the “highly qualified teacher” requirements of No Child Left Behind. Yet the city continues to claim it is licensing teachers, without listing licensing requirements anywhere (search “license” on the DOE website, and you’ll be taken to the Office of Teaching Initiatives, the certification arm of the state ed department), without issuing licenses in either paper or electronic form, or even informing the teacher of what license he or she supposedly holds. Therefore, teachers without state certification in a subject may very well be “licensed” by NYC to teach it, according to the principal’s need. The NY State Education Department’s Office of Teaching Initiatives has a public resource tool that allows anyone to type in the name of a teacher and find out what subjects s/he is certified in. Not surprisingly, loads of teachers are teaching out of certification (though perhaps in “license,” since this is left to local caprice) with the union recognizing such “licenses” and allowing them to be used in layoff decisions.

  • One of the many

    Chancellor Klein will be at PS/IS 66 tomorrow at 6pm. He’ll be there for a town hall type meeting and has said that he’ll answer questions. The catch? He’ll be there for ONE HOUR and any questions must be submitted in writing and cannot be asked personally. It amazes me that any takes anything he says at face value. The man has not a clue about classes and teachers and working in a school, it’s sad.

  • Joe Schmo

    My thoughts on this topic come from researching what is actually taking place across the country in other school districts. Tens of thousands of teachers have been let go in other states such as Florida and California in the past 2 years and tens of thousands more are being let go his year. Should we have just told those now unemployed teachers that they should have “not drank the Kool Aid” To avoid further lay offs teacher unions are taking pay/step freezes to avoid catastrophic losses. (This is taking place in certain NYS districts as well) I simply want to make the point that I do not underestimate the threats that are taking place. These threats may be unfair but they may actually be followed through with. At the end of the day I honestly do not believe that Klein wants to do lay offs. If he does that he knows for sure that his precious TFA teachers will be the first to go. If he is making empty threats just to scare teachers it sure as Hell is working.

  • anathema

    People be tryna ban me cuz I suggest that teachers take them a 10% paycut, while I still be thinking that is the right thing to do I now realize that this aint gonna happen cuz y’all dont wanna make no sacrifice. So… listen to Chanceller Klein and take yourselfs a pay freeze. If you wuz smart (teachers are supposed to be right?) you would volunteer to do that before they have to ask. Peace.

  • high school veteran

    anathema — I understand your animosity towards teachers because clearly you did not have many good ones.  If you had, your grammar would be considerably better.   Most of us work hard to educate our students, but it’s not volunteer work.  It’s a job.  People have mortgages, and families to feed, and costs continue to rise.   Why not hold Klein responsible for irresponsible spending, or suggest cutting positions related to teacher recruiting and meaningless testing?   

    Are you volunteering to take a 10% paycut from your job?  

  • anathema

    Last time i checked teaching wuz supposed a be a noble profession. Money aint supposed to matter, especially cuz you get all you’re benefits and pentions payed for. And I done worse then a 10% percent pay cut. I lost my job last year and cant find me a new one. So I hath taking a 100% percent pay cut, you guys should be happy you gots yourselfs a job.

  • Mustafa

    ^^^Moron.

  • Dirk McQuigley

    So long, Teaching Fellows. You were all going to leave after sponging your cut-rate Masters Degree anyway.

  • Irritated Teacher

    I’m getting really scared about the cuts. This is my second year and it’s been a dream come true. I fit in perfectly with my school community, feel like I understand the students well, and am able to use all my skills to make the curriculum shine as much as possible. My principal says my job is safe and that he would never lose me, but what if it’s really not his decision (as this article suggests)? Wonder if I should start applying to charter schools. (gasp)

    On another note, what is wrong with anathema? Is this person for real?

  • Math Teacher Bklyn

    Well it simple they layoff teachers hire a few more layoff again in few years and teachers become a commodity and teachers become cheap, this is what my professor thinks will happen it is quite scary.

  • Social Studies Teacher

    To the person earlier who mentioned citywide licenses, are you sure? I had thought that all certifications are handled by the state. When I saw the MS social studies example, I got confused since most MS teachers are certified 7-12 and some have 5-6 extension. Only a few have the 5-9 certificate. Like someone earlier said with many teachers having multiple licenses and grade levels it is going to be a complete nightmare. What if you have a SPED license but you’re teaching general ed English. Would you get to stay on as an English teacher or would you have to bump a SPED teacher? What if you have to bump a teacher completely across the city? ie you teach in Queens but would need to bump a teacher in Staten Island in a school with no public transportation? Do you have to take that position or face lay off? I didn’t see anything about unemployment. If teachers are excessed shouldn’t they be able to get unemployment?

    And, the first poster made a good point. What about all the new teachers graduating from ED schools. If quality teachers are laid off, they will have first crack of jobs both in the city and the suburbs for the next several years. Our next generation of teachers really is in trouble. 

  • hopefully helpful

    In the part of the law that Gotham Schools quotes above, tenure area is your license area. This part of the law was written separate and apart from the sections regarding certification. The tenure/license areas do not align perfectly with the new certifications that were created in 2003. My point in posting is not to defend this policy or to even explain why we have two separate sections of the law, but to make sure new teachers know if they have questions about their own situations, they should ask people at their school so they are informed. The UFT can also provide you with this information. Joe Schmo: In my opinion, I heard that the Chancellor was clear that he believes principals and teachers should be matched using mutual consent/no forced placement. When he was talking about the bumping option, it was to get people riled up about seniority layoffs, but not something he was going to do. But that’s just my take.

  • Math Teacher Bklyn

    Just stop spending money on recruiting teachers and take people like me for jobs. Also stop spending money on more chancellors and acuity tests and we may be able to save 1500 jobs.

  • hopefully helpful

    Also, social studies teacher: yes, you will be eligible to apply for unemployment in September (after your summer pay is paid out). Also, for your question about multiple certifications- again, it is by your tenure area. Any other certifications would only be relevant if you had worked under it as a tenure area/license and you had reversion rights (again, you should ask your payroll secretary or the UFT about whether you have these rights if you are unsure). If you don’t have these reversion rights, the way I understand it, you could apply back to the DOE under a different area, but really, that would only work if it’s an area where the DOE would be hiring outside teachers. For example, this would work for a common branches/elementary teacher if s/he had a special education certificate and they had never worked under it.

  • SciTchr

    I remember, back when I started teaching here in the 1980′s, being excessed (laid off) every June and then being rehired in September. This happened for the first 3 years.To the new teachers-a lot of us veterans understand and relate to your uncertainty and fear. I think it will work out for you ‘newbies’ as the mayor/chancellor really want to keep their lowest cost employees. After 18 1/2 years in the system, I am ready to go-if there is a retirement incentive.A well-structured incentive would clear out a lot of mid/late career teachers like me who are young enough to do something else for a few years.Otherwise, just for my retirement security, I am around for 7 more.So, it might be in the interest of a newer teacher to support a retirement incentive for older teachers.

  • erin9x

    Hi! I’m a HS math teacher finishing my third year. My file number has been the system longer than that because I spent a year as a substitute. Can anyone shed some light on my chances of surviving the budget cuts? Thanks!

  • Diana

    My boyfriend and I are both in our second year of teaching and are concerned. He is a special ed teacher so I think he will be safe but I’m not so sure about me. I am a guidance counselor … any idea if the city thinks we are important enough to keep? I am worried that guidance counselors may be the first to get cut since we don’t affect classroom size. Has anyone heard anything or know from experience what is likely to happen?

  • http://themortonschool.blogspot.com Miss Eyre

    anathema is a TROLL, possibly an alter ego of someone else who also posts here regularly.  S/he is not a semiliterate concerned citizen.  S/he is doing nothing but purposely stirring the pot and mocking individuals with genuine literacy struggles.  Stop responding to him/her and the posts will stop.

  • Maestra

    To Hopefully Helpful: If I am excessed at my present school under my current license, then hired to teach another subject in which I’m certified at another school, would I lose my tenure? (The other subjects in which I’m certified are Spanish and ELA 7-12 — not shortage areas like special ed, but in demand at certain secondary schools, particularly because I’m qualified to teach both.)

  • fedup

    You elected these bozos-take what you get!! Where was the UFt and CSA when election rolled around? They held out so as not to upset the mayor… so much for their courtesy-he is a brute and a dictator who is out to privatize schools and he m,akes no apaolgies for it-so shame on the unions most effected for not helping free our children, teachers and schools from tyranny!

  • fedup2

    This whole layoff scene is such a piece of fraud! My building must have at least 10 administrators, several of them doing jobs that were always “comp time” positions until the last principals came along. We have a consultant on the payroll for years. Then there’s all the other leaches, like the parent coordinator, the statistics maker, and all the other nepotism slots, including several that the UFT regularly approves. Then there’s the deans no one can find and the safety officers with “pants on the ground” like the kids. The halls hold kids lounging and verbally intimidating staff out of the stairwells. Right now, teachers are being ripped for the failure rate of non-attending students. We can only teach the ones who show up in the classrooms. We need a massive campaign in this city to get children to do their homework…it would save tons of school dollars. Oh, pardon me, I got that wrong. Kids attending the fraud known as PM School are guaranteed great grades. The administrators already passed them before classes met.

    Systemwide we have gone from slightly over 900 separate administrative units to nearly 1600. Everyone’s brother-in-law is an administrator, paid far more than any teacher who sees 165 kids a day in class for the last 20 years! There’s the five new deputy chancellors and their entourages…what a waste! Then there’s the phantom superintendent…who ever he is…no one has ever seen him in the building. In the midst of layoff notices, administration is doing back door deals with their selected friends. These poor babies punching 3, 5, 7, additional time cards will have to get along with punching 1, 2, 3 additional time cards next year. For shame! NO ONE SHOULD BE PUNCHING ANY ADDITIONAL TIME CARDS UNTIL EVERY TEACHER NOW ON THE PAYROLL, HAS THAT ONE BASIC TIME CARD AND EVERY KID HAS A FULL DAYTIME SCHOOL PROGRAM! Albany’s coffers are near empty. Let’s close down the babysitting nonsense on evenings, Saturdays, and Sundays. Let’s put in the best instruction we can during the required school day. The NYS standards are excellent. We need reach them. When tax collections rebound, only then should we rethink what needs to be added for the educational benefit of kids, not for the pockets of the addministration’s friends.

  • Glen

    Why doesn’t the UFT give us the opportunity to vote on saving our teachers as they did in a previous crises in the 1990′s? In that previous crises, teachers voted on whether they should defer, (NOT “give back”) just defer. a small percentage of their pay, which the city paid back within a couple of years, with interest. In other words we gave a deferral and the city gave interest.

    To let young teachers get laid off and class sizes to go up is absurd and will cause major disruptions to everyone. As a group, in general, teachers are compassionate and intelligent enough to see this as a reasonable alternative. But I do not have a clue as to how to get the delegate assembly to consider such an option. Isn’t there one UFT delegate member who is willing to initiate a resolution for the above idea, or a similar idea?

    Instead of our union encouraging us to protest against the City Hall Building, maybe teachers should be protesting against their own union. Maybe instead of experienced and new teachers arguing about the logic of seniority layoffs (New teachers: can’t you see that if the got rid of seniority layoff rules, that your jobs will not be safe as you aproach retirement and when your salary increases, because the city despite its rhetoric, has created a system where principals are forced to make decisions mostly based on cutting expenses).

    The time for asking money from the the city and state is over. Delegate assembly members, please come up with some ideas, like wage deferral with interest, or some other idea, before it is too late.

    If there is anyone who thinks I make sense and would like to organize a petition directed toward our union to come up with some workable ideas to prevent layoffs (while avoiding give-backs), contact me at: fargo1000@mail.com

    Time is running out.

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