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	<title>Comments on: Union president pitches evaluation deal to his membership</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff S</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/05/13/union-president-pitches-evaluation-deal-to-his-membership/comment-page-1/#comment-268153</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 16:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Peter...after reading some of your responses and reading the Times articles today while you&#039;re trying to throw out the union spin what this is is a direct attach on the protections teachers have enjoyed pre Klein.  Now of course, if somebody is truly incompetent, I am not one saying they shouldn&#039;t be subject to dismissal provided it is properly documented.  That is what the probationary period is all about.  And pre Klein, for the most part, Principals wsere competent enough to properly judge teachers and especially in the high schools they were assisted by properly qualified Assistant Principals.  While it is true that from time to time there have been some administrators who were not the greatest, that happens of course in all fields of endeavor.  For the most part, the old time Principals and Assistant Principals were properly trained, were not under any quota systems to &quot;get&quot; so many teachers and were able to properly document cases where it was necessary to take serious actions against teachers (again we&#039;re talking run of the mill unsatisfactory classroom stuff, not corporal punishment or worse).  You yourself in your example as well as the Times article makes it quite clear that what this is all about is making it easier to dismiss tenured teachers.  While many in the public might think this will improve instruction in the classroom, in the hands of the many new inexperienced and dare I say incompetent Principals, it will be devestating to teachers in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Peter&#8230;after reading some of your responses and reading the Times articles today while you&#8217;re trying to throw out the union spin what this is is a direct attach on the protections teachers have enjoyed pre Klein.  Now of course, if somebody is truly incompetent, I am not one saying they shouldn&#8217;t be subject to dismissal provided it is properly documented.  That is what the probationary period is all about.  And pre Klein, for the most part, Principals wsere competent enough to properly judge teachers and especially in the high schools they were assisted by properly qualified Assistant Principals.  While it is true that from time to time there have been some administrators who were not the greatest, that happens of course in all fields of endeavor.  For the most part, the old time Principals and Assistant Principals were properly trained, were not under any quota systems to &#8220;get&#8221; so many teachers and were able to properly document cases where it was necessary to take serious actions against teachers (again we&#8217;re talking run of the mill unsatisfactory classroom stuff, not corporal punishment or worse).  You yourself in your example as well as the Times article makes it quite clear that what this is all about is making it easier to dismiss tenured teachers.  While many in the public might think this will improve instruction in the classroom, in the hands of the many new inexperienced and dare I say incompetent Principals, it will be devestating to teachers in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff S</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/05/13/union-president-pitches-evaluation-deal-to-his-membership/comment-page-1/#comment-268150</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 16:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Peter.....the fact is only 3 tenured teachers in the past several years have been fired for incompetence (which is what we&#039;re talking about here, not corporal punishment which is not covered by this agreement anyway......I would prefer my chances in the former because, as you said, the supposed excellent results achieved by the teacher would only count 25%....it would seem to me that the 3020A hearing you described would be won by the teacher.......and if we have the reign of terror being pushed by the incompetent, uncertified, unqualified lawyer masquerading as an educator, there wouldn&#039;t be enough management (prosecutors) or arbitrators in the world to carry out all these hearings.  The idea, as you are describing, is indeed to make it easier to fire a tenured teacher whether justified or not.  This is indeed an attack on tenure (just ask the Principals how much good the protections CSA promised them when they gave in on tenure have actually benefitted them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Peter&#8230;..the fact is only 3 tenured teachers in the past several years have been fired for incompetence (which is what we&#8217;re talking about here, not corporal punishment which is not covered by this agreement anyway&#8230;&#8230;I would prefer my chances in the former because, as you said, the supposed excellent results achieved by the teacher would only count 25%&#8230;.it would seem to me that the 3020A hearing you described would be won by the teacher&#8230;&#8230;.and if we have the reign of terror being pushed by the incompetent, uncertified, unqualified lawyer masquerading as an educator, there wouldn&#8217;t be enough management (prosecutors) or arbitrators in the world to carry out all these hearings.  The idea, as you are describing, is indeed to make it easier to fire a tenured teacher whether justified or not.  This is indeed an attack on tenure (just ask the Principals how much good the protections CSA promised them when they gave in on tenure have actually benefitted them.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 15:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Typical 3020 Hearing



 
Management in discipline/discharge cases has the obligation to prove, by preponderance of evidence, the charges proffered against the teacher.
 
The principal testifies that he has observed the teacher on many occasions, the observation reports are submitted into evidence. The principal asserts that each observation was proceeded by a pre-observation conference and a conference after the observation, the teacher did not incorporate suggestions, argued that the suggestions were not valid and insisted that his methods of teaching were effective. The teacher, says the principal, resisted all efforts to change their instructional methodology and has a harsh and overly demanded relationship with student.
 
On cross examination the principal admitted that he had limited teaching experience, no prior supervisory experience and frequently asked advise from his mentor, a retired principal, who was not available to testify.
 
The Guidance counselor, testifying under subpoena, related a number of incidents when students came to him crying after confrontations with the charged teacher.  Under cross the counselor could not remember dates or how many children came to him.
 
Two young teachers, voluntarily, testify that the charged teacher does not volunteer for unpaid after school tutoring, does not attend voluntary planning sessions and is generally uncooperative. On numerous occasions they have seen the charged teacher berate students.
 
A parent testified that the teacher has called her repeatedly to complain about her talking her child out of school, she alleges that he blames her for her child&#039;s academic failings.
 



The teacher testifies that the he does not believe that the methodology espoused by the principal is effective. Claims that the principal is &quot;out to get&quot; him, that his failure to be &quot;collegial&quot; is irrevelent. His lawyer puts into evidence, over the objection of the management attorney observation reports from prior principals that are praiseworthy. On cross examination management puts into evidence, over the objection of the union, letters from prior principals reprimanding the teacher for being overly harsh with students.
 
A parent and a student who knew the teacher ten years ago praise the teacher.
 
                                                


  under the proposed new system:



 
The Teacher Data Reports (or some equivalent tool) are put into evidence ... remember the Reports compare the teacher with other teachers teaching similar students.   If the Reports show that the teacher has scores equal to or higher than other teachers, the arbitrator would to give weight up to 25%, and the converse.
 



Under which system is a teacher better protected?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Typical 3020 Hearing</p>
<p>Management in discipline/discharge cases has the obligation to prove, by preponderance of evidence, the charges proffered against the teacher.</p>
<p>The principal testifies that he has observed the teacher on many occasions, the observation reports are submitted into evidence. The principal asserts that each observation was proceeded by a pre-observation conference and a conference after the observation, the teacher did not incorporate suggestions, argued that the suggestions were not valid and insisted that his methods of teaching were effective. The teacher, says the principal, resisted all efforts to change their instructional methodology and has a harsh and overly demanded relationship with student.</p>
<p>On cross examination the principal admitted that he had limited teaching experience, no prior supervisory experience and frequently asked advise from his mentor, a retired principal, who was not available to testify.</p>
<p>The Guidance counselor, testifying under subpoena, related a number of incidents when students came to him crying after confrontations with the charged teacher.  Under cross the counselor could not remember dates or how many children came to him.</p>
<p>Two young teachers, voluntarily, testify that the charged teacher does not volunteer for unpaid after school tutoring, does not attend voluntary planning sessions and is generally uncooperative. On numerous occasions they have seen the charged teacher berate students.</p>
<p>A parent testified that the teacher has called her repeatedly to complain about her talking her child out of school, she alleges that he blames her for her child&#8217;s academic failings.</p>
<p>The teacher testifies that the he does not believe that the methodology espoused by the principal is effective. Claims that the principal is &#8220;out to get&#8221; him, that his failure to be &#8220;collegial&#8221; is irrevelent. His lawyer puts into evidence, over the objection of the management attorney observation reports from prior principals that are praiseworthy. On cross examination management puts into evidence, over the objection of the union, letters from prior principals reprimanding the teacher for being overly harsh with students.</p>
<p>A parent and a student who knew the teacher ten years ago praise the teacher.</p>
<p>  under the proposed new system:</p>
<p>The Teacher Data Reports (or some equivalent tool) are put into evidence &#8230; remember the Reports compare the teacher with other teachers teaching similar students.   If the Reports show that the teacher has scores equal to or higher than other teachers, the arbitrator would to give weight up to 25%, and the converse.</p>
<p>Under which system is a teacher better protected?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff S</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/05/13/union-president-pitches-evaluation-deal-to-his-membership/comment-page-1/#comment-268098</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 09:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must reading for all of you (including Peter)...a long article in the magazine section of the NY Times online  (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/magazine/23Race-t.html

Article is quite one sided but tells the story of how Cuncan and many of these clowns who are educational reformers have been able to sell you all down the river and how Randi did very little to protect the teachers in DC and now how she and Mulgrew are doing the same to NYC teachers.  If you guys don&#039;t see the handwriting on the wall, I feel sorry for you.  And the UFT can claim how wonderful this new evaluation system is for teachers...the bottom line is that you will be given up your tenure protection.  As it stands now, an unsatisfactory rating of a teacher is subject to hearings and before a tenured teacher can lose his or her job, a 3020A hearing is required......all this protection will be gone.  Great job AFT and UFT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must reading for all of you (including Peter)&#8230;a long article in the magazine section of the NY Times online  (<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/magazine/23Race-t.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/magazine/23Race-t.html</a></p>
<p>Article is quite one sided but tells the story of how Cuncan and many of these clowns who are educational reformers have been able to sell you all down the river and how Randi did very little to protect the teachers in DC and now how she and Mulgrew are doing the same to NYC teachers.  If you guys don&#8217;t see the handwriting on the wall, I feel sorry for you.  And the UFT can claim how wonderful this new evaluation system is for teachers&#8230;the bottom line is that you will be given up your tenure protection.  As it stands now, an unsatisfactory rating of a teacher is subject to hearings and before a tenured teacher can lose his or her job, a 3020A hearing is required&#8230;&#8230;all this protection will be gone.  Great job AFT and UFT.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronx teacher-lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronx teacher-lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 05:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,






















































































































Yes, right now I am judged solely on my administration&#039;s subjective opinion, but at least I would get a due-process hearing before losing my job &amp; my tenure. Under the proposed system, 2 years of negative ratings, still based on mostly subjective measures (who do you think reviews the portfolios?) and &quot;supported&quot; by test-scores that could not possibly fulfill value-added standards because of an unusually unruly class, and I&#039;m jobless 60 days later, no questions asked.





















































































































Also, from what I know of value-added, it does not expect that students will only be able to make the same amount of progress they have the year before. Therefore, if Johnny behaves terribly in year 1, makes little progress, and repeats the same pattern in year 2, both teachers will receive poor value-added ratings as a result. I&#039;ve also heard that under the current value-added formula, if a child makes an unusual amount of progress one year, he is actaully expected to make less progress the next. I imagine, if this works in reverse, then Johnny&#039;s 2nd-year teacher would be considered more incompetent than his 1st. This also does not take into account the test scores of all the other children who Johnny&#039;s unruly behavior may be impacting. And since classes are rarely composed of the same students from year to year (in my school, with an extremely transient population, this never even happens with our &quot;looped&quot; classes), there really would be no comparing the progress of groups of students, with all of their different attributes, from one year to the next or one teacher to another.

















































































To summarize -- no, I do not want any of my evaluation based on test scores in the current environment, whether the consequence is the loss of my job or a slap on the wrist. Even when looked at under value-added criteria, there are too many factors out of my control and too many opportunities for vindictive principals to make sure a targeted teacher can never meet this criteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>Yes, right now I am judged solely on my administration&#8217;s subjective opinion, but at least I would get a due-process hearing before losing my job &amp; my tenure. Under the proposed system, 2 years of negative ratings, still based on mostly subjective measures (who do you think reviews the portfolios?) and &#8220;supported&#8221; by test-scores that could not possibly fulfill value-added standards because of an unusually unruly class, and I&#8217;m jobless 60 days later, no questions asked.</p>
<p>Also, from what I know of value-added, it does not expect that students will only be able to make the same amount of progress they have the year before. Therefore, if Johnny behaves terribly in year 1, makes little progress, and repeats the same pattern in year 2, both teachers will receive poor value-added ratings as a result. I&#8217;ve also heard that under the current value-added formula, if a child makes an unusual amount of progress one year, he is actaully expected to make less progress the next. I imagine, if this works in reverse, then Johnny&#8217;s 2nd-year teacher would be considered more incompetent than his 1st. This also does not take into account the test scores of all the other children who Johnny&#8217;s unruly behavior may be impacting. And since classes are rarely composed of the same students from year to year (in my school, with an extremely transient population, this never even happens with our &#8220;looped&#8221; classes), there really would be no comparing the progress of groups of students, with all of their different attributes, from one year to the next or one teacher to another.</p>
<p>To summarize &#8212; no, I do not want any of my evaluation based on test scores in the current environment, whether the consequence is the loss of my job or a slap on the wrist. Even when looked at under value-added criteria, there are too many factors out of my control and too many opportunities for vindictive principals to make sure a targeted teacher can never meet this criteria.</p>
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		<title>By: Vote  NO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vote  NO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 22:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This  &quot;horror&quot;  of  an  evaluation  process  will  ensure  that  the  highest  needs  students  will  have  the  weakest  teachers.  Principals  will  program  their  &quot;least  desirable&quot;  teachers  with  the  highest  needs  students to  build  a  case  against  those  teachers.  When  the  kids  &quot;bomb&quot;  the  standardized  assessment,  the  principal  can  write  up  an  observation  to &quot;substantiate&quot;  that  the  students&#039;  performance  on  the  exams  was  the  teacher&#039;s  &quot;fault,&quot;  and  two  years  later  that  teacher  will  be  dismissed.


High  quality  teachers  will  &quot;shy  away&quot;  from  teaching  the  high  needs  kids  as  well.  They  don&#039;t  want   their  ability  to  &quot;pay  their mortgages&quot;  determined  by  low  performing  students&#039;  performance  on  standardized  assessments.


This  deal  can  make  NYC  a  very  undesirable  place  for  prospective  teachers  who  would  like  to  have  a long  career  in  teaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This  &#8220;horror&#8221;  of  an  evaluation  process  will  ensure  that  the  highest  needs  students  will  have  the  weakest  teachers.  Principals  will  program  their  &#8220;least  desirable&#8221;  teachers  with  the  highest  needs  students to  build  a  case  against  those  teachers.  When  the  kids  &#8220;bomb&#8221;  the  standardized  assessment,  the  principal  can  write  up  an  observation  to &#8220;substantiate&#8221;  that  the  students&#8217;  performance  on  the  exams  was  the  teacher&#8217;s  &#8220;fault,&#8221;  and  two  years  later  that  teacher  will  be  dismissed.</p>
<p>High  quality  teachers  will  &#8220;shy  away&#8221;  from  teaching  the  high  needs  kids  as  well.  They  don&#8217;t  want   their  ability  to  &#8220;pay  their mortgages&#8221;  determined  by  low  performing  students&#8217;  performance  on  standardized  assessments.</p>
<p>This  deal  can  make  NYC  a  very  undesirable  place  for  prospective  teachers  who  would  like  to  have  a long  career  in  teaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fiorillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Fiorillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 21:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UFT leadership is speaking doubletalk to its members to justify the new evaluation procedures.

When asked why they agreed to 40% of the evaluations being based on test scores, their response is, &quot;It&#039;s not 40%: the other 20% is to be negotiated locally.&quot;

When asked why they negotiated this with Steiner and Tisch in total secrecy and then sprang it on the membership, their response is,&quot;We didn&#039;t want to negotiate with Klein.&quot; in other words, they didn&#039;t want to negotiate it locally.

So which is it?

Steiner, Tisch - and don&#039;t believe the spin, Klein, too - must be smiling over this one. Needless union capitulation that forever embeds the false accountability and testing culture in the classroom AND $700 million worth of patronage to the consultants and testing firms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UFT leadership is speaking doubletalk to its members to justify the new evaluation procedures.</p>
<p>When asked why they agreed to 40% of the evaluations being based on test scores, their response is, &#8220;It&#8217;s not 40%: the other 20% is to be negotiated locally.&#8221;</p>
<p>When asked why they negotiated this with Steiner and Tisch in total secrecy and then sprang it on the membership, their response is,&#8221;We didn&#8217;t want to negotiate with Klein.&#8221; in other words, they didn&#8217;t want to negotiate it locally.</p>
<p>So which is it?</p>
<p>Steiner, Tisch &#8211; and don&#8217;t believe the spin, Klein, too &#8211; must be smiling over this one. Needless union capitulation that forever embeds the false accountability and testing culture in the classroom AND $700 million worth of patronage to the consultants and testing firms.</p>
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		<title>By: NYC Educator</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/05/13/union-president-pitches-evaluation-deal-to-his-membership/comment-page-1/#comment-268015</link>
		<dc:creator>NYC Educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, Peter.  It seems to me a distinct possibility that a teacher could be judged ineffective for two years based on test scores.  It&#039;s easy for me to imagine a principal basing his 60% on the remaining 40--and hard to imagine a Leadership Academy guy ignoring the 40 in favor of reality.  It&#039;s also very easy for me to imagine a teacher being targeted by the same principal with tough classes.  It seems that would not require much work on the part of a principal.

My other reservations stand as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, Peter.  It seems to me a distinct possibility that a teacher could be judged ineffective for two years based on test scores.  It&#8217;s easy for me to imagine a principal basing his 60% on the remaining 40&#8211;and hard to imagine a Leadership Academy guy ignoring the 40 in favor of reality.  It&#8217;s also very easy for me to imagine a teacher being targeted by the same principal with tough classes.  It seems that would not require much work on the part of a principal.</p>
<p>My other reservations stand as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 18:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NUC Educator:


Currently the only metric is principal judgement ... while the proposed plan raise many complex issues isn&#039;t it better than the principal-rules system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NUC Educator:</p>
<p>Currently the only metric is principal judgement &#8230; while the proposed plan raise many complex issues isn&#8217;t it better than the principal-rules system?</p>
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		<title>By: NYC Educator</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYC Educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 17:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,

You&#039;re assuming the test scores will be valid.  You&#039;re assuming the tests will test skills taught.  You&#039;re assuming the preposterously low standards of recent years will not be corrected and lead to subsequent declines.  You&#039;re assuming that there is validity to &quot;value-added&quot; models.  You&#039;re also assuming the previous year&#039;s scores will not have been juked.  You&#039;re assuming the principal will not base the 60% at his discretion on the 40% of tests.  

You&#039;re assuming quite a bit, in fact.  My experience would lead me to none of the above assumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re assuming the test scores will be valid.  You&#8217;re assuming the tests will test skills taught.  You&#8217;re assuming the preposterously low standards of recent years will not be corrected and lead to subsequent declines.  You&#8217;re assuming that there is validity to &#8220;value-added&#8221; models.  You&#8217;re also assuming the previous year&#8217;s scores will not have been juked.  You&#8217;re assuming the principal will not base the 60% at his discretion on the 40% of tests.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re assuming quite a bit, in fact.  My experience would lead me to none of the above assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 13:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bronx Teacher-Lady:


Currently you are &quot;judged&quot; solely by your principal based on his/her judgements, a series of subjective observation reports culminating in a rating. Under the proposed system 20% of the  &quot;judgement&quot; will be based on student growth achievement data, adid you get better results than their teacher last year? Instead of a single &quot;phototgraph&quot; the ELA?Math test scores, the score will be over time. The second 20%, local tests negotiated with the union may be student portfolios ... instead of 100% principal judgement, 60% principal judgement and 40% data ... which is fairer to the teacher?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bronx Teacher-Lady:</p>
<p>Currently you are &#8220;judged&#8221; solely by your principal based on his/her judgements, a series of subjective observation reports culminating in a rating. Under the proposed system 20% of the  &#8220;judgement&#8221; will be based on student growth achievement data, adid you get better results than their teacher last year? Instead of a single &#8220;phototgraph&#8221; the ELA?Math test scores, the score will be over time. The second 20%, local tests negotiated with the union may be student portfolios &#8230; instead of 100% principal judgement, 60% principal judgement and 40% data &#8230; which is fairer to the teacher?</p>
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		<title>By: Bronx teacher-lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronx teacher-lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 07:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Effective Teacher. As as an effective teacher myself, known for years of raising student achievement, I fear the year I get a class like I had a few years ago, with a handful of students so misplaced and disruptive that virtually no learning went on. The only thing I got from the administration was blame, even though I am known as having strong classroom management skills. When I explained this to a sympathetic non-teacher friend, he replied, &quot;Well, I guess that can happen from time to time.&quot; Can happen?! It happens in an average of 2 or 3 classrooms on average in my school every year, as I&#039;m sure it does in many other NYC schools with my school&#039;s demographics. Now, not only will teachers have to deal with a completely torturous school year where they fear for their students&#039; physical and emothional safety, not to mention academic growth, they can now lose their job for it? All it takes is a vindictive principal and/or a highly paid teacher, and such students wind up in those same teachers&#039; classrooms two years in a row, and even the best teachers&#039; careers are over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Effective Teacher. As as an effective teacher myself, known for years of raising student achievement, I fear the year I get a class like I had a few years ago, with a handful of students so misplaced and disruptive that virtually no learning went on. The only thing I got from the administration was blame, even though I am known as having strong classroom management skills. When I explained this to a sympathetic non-teacher friend, he replied, &#8220;Well, I guess that can happen from time to time.&#8221; Can happen?! It happens in an average of 2 or 3 classrooms on average in my school every year, as I&#8217;m sure it does in many other NYC schools with my school&#8217;s demographics. Now, not only will teachers have to deal with a completely torturous school year where they fear for their students&#8217; physical and emothional safety, not to mention academic growth, they can now lose their job for it? All it takes is a vindictive principal and/or a highly paid teacher, and such students wind up in those same teachers&#8217; classrooms two years in a row, and even the best teachers&#8217; careers are over.</p>
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		<title>By: An Effective Teacher says...</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Effective Teacher says...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 20:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if we have several students who cut classes, refuse to do any work, and cause disciplinary problems in my class and we notify their parents, then do the parents get &quot;fired&quot;? No. Instead these students who are excluded from charter schools and &quot;left&quot; for public schools will have even more power to decide whether or not we have a job. Great. 

Furthermore, how will this system fairly test Gym and shop teachers as well as academic teachers? If our gym teacher has 50 overweight kids and they don&#039;t slim down, will he/she get fired? Maybe, they should also evaluate the cafeteria aids too on this then. 

The system is failing. This will not solve the problems. Real reform does not come from testing students, senseless PD, or outright blaming teachers. It comes from listening to what teachers need. 

We&#039;re the ones in the trenches - yet no one asks &quot;what do we need to teach these kids better?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if we have several students who cut classes, refuse to do any work, and cause disciplinary problems in my class and we notify their parents, then do the parents get &#8220;fired&#8221;? No. Instead these students who are excluded from charter schools and &#8220;left&#8221; for public schools will have even more power to decide whether or not we have a job. Great. </p>
<p>Furthermore, how will this system fairly test Gym and shop teachers as well as academic teachers? If our gym teacher has 50 overweight kids and they don&#8217;t slim down, will he/she get fired? Maybe, they should also evaluate the cafeteria aids too on this then. </p>
<p>The system is failing. This will not solve the problems. Real reform does not come from testing students, senseless PD, or outright blaming teachers. It comes from listening to what teachers need. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re the ones in the trenches &#8211; yet no one asks &#8220;what do we need to teach these kids better?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Perspectives on teacher evaluation reform - EdVANTAGE Blog - The Official Blog of the New York State Council of School Superintendents</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perspectives on teacher evaluation reform - EdVANTAGE Blog - The Official Blog of the New York State Council of School Superintendents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 17:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gothamschools.org reported on New York City teacher union president Michael Mulgrew&#8217;s presentation of the plan to his board, suggesting he had to dispel some skepticism among his members. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gothamschools.org reported on New York City teacher union president Michael Mulgrew&#8217;s presentation of the plan to his board, suggesting he had to dispel some skepticism among his members. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: philip nobile</title>
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		<dc:creator>philip nobile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 03:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lowpoint of the DA was the highpoint of Unity arrogance and emptiness. Sounding like gangster union head Johnny Friendly in On the Waterfront, UFT Secretary Michael Mendel squashed skeptics bellowing: &quot;Yes, we didn&#039;t go to the membership [on the secret teacher evaluation deal]. We are the leaders of the union.&quot; Translation: If you don&#039;t like the deal, 

drop dead.
                                                                                                                             




Same for the TRC agreement, also conducted behind closed doors without consulting us rank and file rubber roomers. Not only has Mulgrew refused to meet with dissatisfied reassigned members, The Teacher lied about the popularity of the agreement among us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lowpoint of the DA was the highpoint of Unity arrogance and emptiness. Sounding like gangster union head Johnny Friendly in On the Waterfront, UFT Secretary Michael Mendel squashed skeptics bellowing: &#8220;Yes, we didn&#8217;t go to the membership [on the secret teacher evaluation deal]. We are the leaders of the union.&#8221; Translation: If you don&#8217;t like the deal, </p>
<p>drop dead.</p>
<p>Same for the TRC agreement, also conducted behind closed doors without consulting us rank and file rubber roomers. Not only has Mulgrew refused to meet with dissatisfied reassigned members, The Teacher lied about the popularity of the agreement among us.</p>
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		<title>By: Pogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 21:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel: Mike, I need something.  I got Duncan and the mayor all over me over this RttT money.

Mike: I tell you what.  I&#039;ll give you teacher evaluations based on tests.

Joel: Really?!  What do you want in return?

Mike: Nothing.  I&#039;m fine. Just make sure you sound like you&#039;re unhappy with it. They ain&#039;t gonna&#039; buy it if you&#039;re ecstatic.


Pogue: Am I too cynical?  Maybe.   Have I been screwed by my own union by backroom deals before?  Definitely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel: Mike, I need something.  I got Duncan and the mayor all over me over this RttT money.</p>
<p>Mike: I tell you what.  I&#8217;ll give you teacher evaluations based on tests.</p>
<p>Joel: Really?!  What do you want in return?</p>
<p>Mike: Nothing.  I&#8217;m fine. Just make sure you sound like you&#8217;re unhappy with it. They ain&#8217;t gonna&#8217; buy it if you&#8217;re ecstatic.</p>
<p>Pogue: Am I too cynical?  Maybe.   Have I been screwed by my own union by backroom deals before?  Definitely.</p>
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		<title>By: miss teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>miss teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 18:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, I also get some comfort from Klein&#039;s issues- if he loved it, we&#039;d be toast. I absolutely have some concerns- my current principal is very fair but nearing retirement and I don&#039;t know what the future holds. The teachers, in teams, are actually the ones who configure the classes in my school and it usually works well- but again, that&#039;s something my current principal supports. 





























































But I can&#039;t embrace this 100% because I just have no trust in Klein or Bloomberg. At all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, I also get some comfort from Klein&#8217;s issues- if he loved it, we&#8217;d be toast. I absolutely have some concerns- my current principal is very fair but nearing retirement and I don&#8217;t know what the future holds. The teachers, in teams, are actually the ones who configure the classes in my school and it usually works well- but again, that&#8217;s something my current principal supports. </p>
<p>But I can&#8217;t embrace this 100% because I just have no trust in Klein or Bloomberg. At all.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 18:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Delegate Assembly was packed, with the overflow in another room, the debate went on for over an hour, about a dozen speakers, points of order, etc. The final vote was overwhelmingly in favor.


The debate raised many questions, Mulgrew answered in detail, the new plan, if it becomes law, would not come into effect until the 11-12 school year, there is a great deal of work to be done. What was particularly attractive was that teachers would be involved in creating the student evaluation tools in non-tested grades. In addition, the necessity for the principal and the teacher to create a plan was seen as a major improvement over the principal only current evaluation system.


The biggest cheer came when a speaker said if Klein was opposed he automatically supported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Delegate Assembly was packed, with the overflow in another room, the debate went on for over an hour, about a dozen speakers, points of order, etc. The final vote was overwhelmingly in favor.</p>
<p>The debate raised many questions, Mulgrew answered in detail, the new plan, if it becomes law, would not come into effect until the 11-12 school year, there is a great deal of work to be done. What was particularly attractive was that teachers would be involved in creating the student evaluation tools in non-tested grades. In addition, the necessity for the principal and the teacher to create a plan was seen as a major improvement over the principal only current evaluation system.</p>
<p>The biggest cheer came when a speaker said if Klein was opposed he automatically supported.</p>
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		<title>By: GGW</title>
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		<dc:creator>GGW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 17:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really good journalism.</description>
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		<title>By: roget</title>
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		<dc:creator>roget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 15:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, are we, taxpayers and parents, supposed to be consoled that the UFT leader is already selling his members on the likelihood that the teacher evaluation plan will be diluted and ambiguous enough to protect all but the most obviously lousy teachers.  

Teachers in need of development will be the gray category where barely acceptable staff will be granted tenure and find cover in pursuit of uninspiring, mediocre careers.  Nice going Mike.  I tremble for the kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, are we, taxpayers and parents, supposed to be consoled that the UFT leader is already selling his members on the likelihood that the teacher evaluation plan will be diluted and ambiguous enough to protect all but the most obviously lousy teachers.  </p>
<p>Teachers in need of development will be the gray category where barely acceptable staff will be granted tenure and find cover in pursuit of uninspiring, mediocre careers.  Nice going Mike.  I tremble for the kids.</p>
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