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		<title>By: You Don&#8217;t Stand With Us: My Response to an #EDUSolidarity Highjacking Attempt &#171; Outside the Cave</title>
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		<dc:creator>You Don&#8217;t Stand With Us: My Response to an #EDUSolidarity Highjacking Attempt &#171; Outside the Cave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] full-time for a long time before claiming to speak as experts.  The leaders of E4E taught for three years each (with no formal training to do so), then quit to run E4E full time.  Their works shows a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] full-time for a long time before claiming to speak as experts.  The leaders of E4E taught for three years each (with no formal training to do so), then quit to run E4E full time.  Their works shows a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Yes, seriously!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yes, seriously!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If your name is not in that system, you are NOT certified.   That is the state registry of all certified teachers; districts use it to verify your status as paper certifications are no longer issued.  If your name isn&#039;t in there, you probably should look into that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your name is not in that system, you are NOT certified.   That is the state registry of all certified teachers; districts use it to verify your status as paper certifications are no longer issued.  If your name isn&#8217;t in there, you probably should look into that.</p>
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		<title>By: Yes, seriously!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yes, seriously!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If your name is not in that system, you are NOT certified.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your name is not in that system, you are NOT certified.</p>
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		<title>By: Harlem Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harlem Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you know for a fact that she is not certified?  Because I am certified and I just typed my name into that system and my information did not show up.  If that is the only evidence as to certification then you are probably working from inaccurate information.  And I definitely was NOT certified before 1983.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know for a fact that she is not certified?  Because I am certified and I just typed my name into that system and my information did not show up.  If that is the only evidence as to certification then you are probably working from inaccurate information.  And I definitely was NOT certified before 1983.</p>
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		<title>By: insiderknowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>insiderknowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Norm thanks.. I&#039;m sure if Klein is endorsing this study there is no bias at all.  I saw thatthey were sure to mention how teacher salaries make up the largest portion of the budget.. Well of course.. The workforce ALWAYS makes up the largest portion of any operationd.  Would anyone expect the Yankees to spend more on bats then players? Now onto another falsehood that is tied with this and that is the amount of per pupil spending per state.. Obviously states in the Northeast have to spend more.. Why?  Because the cost of living is much higher here. That is something I have not seen one study make  connection to much less mention. It is an unfair assessment to say that NY teachers are paid too much when compared to one in South Carolina or that this is a union problem.. 60,000 in NY goes as far as 40,000 in many other states.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norm thanks.. I&#8217;m sure if Klein is endorsing this study there is no bias at all.  I saw thatthey were sure to mention how teacher salaries make up the largest portion of the budget.. Well of course.. The workforce ALWAYS makes up the largest portion of any operationd.  Would anyone expect the Yankees to spend more on bats then players? Now onto another falsehood that is tied with this and that is the amount of per pupil spending per state.. Obviously states in the Northeast have to spend more.. Why?  Because the cost of living is much higher here. That is something I have not seen one study make  connection to much less mention. It is an unfair assessment to say that NY teachers are paid too much when compared to one in South Carolina or that this is a union problem.. 60,000 in NY goes as far as 40,000 in many other states.</p>
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		<title>By: here's a link</title>
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		<dc:creator>here's a link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/New-York-NY/New-York-City-Teachers-Experience-Matters/114089568615636]]></description>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The comment comes from the McKinsey Link. Talk about a dog in the race.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment comes from the McKinsey Link. Talk about a dog in the race.</p>
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		<title>By: Yes, seriously!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yes, seriously!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The records went computerized in 1983, and it says on the cite that those certified before that may not be in the system.  Your brother&#039;s name could be there for something else that was submitted to the state under the realm of education (fingerprinting, for example).  NYC boasts that 100% of their teachers are certified.  This is not the case, as evidenced by 2 individuals teaching in the same school.  Now I don&#039;t blame this entirely on Sydney and Evan, because the very system they work for and are challenging are allowing them to serve in a roll that they are not certified to do so.  Why shouldn&#039;t they work each day and collect a paycheck despite not being held to the same standards as everyone else?  What bothers me more is Sydney using certification in her editorial in the NY Post as a means of teacher qualification, when she herself is not certified.  Again, another example of why she needs to learn to keep her mouth closed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The records went computerized in 1983, and it says on the cite that those certified before that may not be in the system.  Your brother&#8217;s name could be there for something else that was submitted to the state under the realm of education (fingerprinting, for example).  NYC boasts that 100% of their teachers are certified.  This is not the case, as evidenced by 2 individuals teaching in the same school.  Now I don&#8217;t blame this entirely on Sydney and Evan, because the very system they work for and are challenging are allowing them to serve in a roll that they are not certified to do so.  Why shouldn&#8217;t they work each day and collect a paycheck despite not being held to the same standards as everyone else?  What bothers me more is Sydney using certification in her editorial in the NY Post as a means of teacher qualification, when she herself is not certified.  Again, another example of why she needs to learn to keep her mouth closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/04/08/a-new-union-of-teachers-forms-over-happy-hours-and-facebook/comment-page-3/#comment-264651</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a video clip with Klein and Duncan on the page with the document.










































































As for the link to the NYSED page, eh, I am not fans of these two but I don&#039;t think that means much. I have been teaching for a very long time, have been certified since day 1 of my career and can&#039;t find my name in there. And my brother, for some reason, who is not a teacher, has his name there with no record. 





































































































No one denies that there are tons of problems plaguing the school system. However, I just find this organization to be totally self-serving and lacking any real understanding of how the system work, especially the budgeting end.
There are so many other ways that education can be made for the kids- improving parent outreach and involvement, for example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a video clip with Klein and Duncan on the page with the document.</p>
<p>As for the link to the NYSED page, eh, I am not fans of these two but I don&#8217;t think that means much. I have been teaching for a very long time, have been certified since day 1 of my career and can&#8217;t find my name in there. And my brother, for some reason, who is not a teacher, has his name there with no record. </p>
<p>No one denies that there are tons of problems plaguing the school system. However, I just find this organization to be totally self-serving and lacking any real understanding of how the system work, especially the budgeting end.<br />
There are so many other ways that education can be made for the kids- improving parent outreach and involvement, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: insiderknowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>insiderknowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[norm where are you paraphrasing that line from?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>norm where are you paraphrasing that line from?</p>
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		<title>By: Yes, seriously!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yes, seriously!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just because some of your colleagues at PS 86 think Sydney and Evan are fantastic doesn&#039;t mean they all do.  Trust me.  Many of us have had enough of the elitist and entitled attitude that comes with thinking you&#039;re an exceptional teacher after 2.5 years.  And, for the record, both Sydney and Evan have publicly exclaimed that they will be leaving teaching and working on E4E full time next year.  It was shared at their Happy Hour and through their Facebook clique.  Last, you cannot dispute that these two individuals are not certified to teach in the State of New York.  Don&#039;t believe me?  Look it up.  http://eservices.nysed.gov/teach/certhelp/CpPersonSearchExternal.jsp?trgAction=INQUIRY

Yet, Sydney has the gall to claim that certification should be a way we measure teacher quality.  Again, she knows it all!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because some of your colleagues at PS 86 think Sydney and Evan are fantastic doesn&#8217;t mean they all do.  Trust me.  Many of us have had enough of the elitist and entitled attitude that comes with thinking you&#8217;re an exceptional teacher after 2.5 years.  And, for the record, both Sydney and Evan have publicly exclaimed that they will be leaving teaching and working on E4E full time next year.  It was shared at their Happy Hour and through their Facebook clique.  Last, you cannot dispute that these two individuals are not certified to teach in the State of New York.  Don&#8217;t believe me?  Look it up.  <a href="http://eservices.nysed.gov/teach/certhelp/CpPersonSearchExternal.jsp?trgAction=INQUIRY" rel="nofollow">http://eservices.nysed.gov/teach/certhelp/CpPersonSearchExternal.jsp?trgAction=INQUIRY</a></p>
<p>Yet, Sydney has the gall to claim that certification should be a way we measure teacher quality.  Again, she knows it all!</p>
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		<title>By: norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Report Launch with Secretary of Education Arne Duncan and NYC Schools Chancellor Joel I. Klein&quot;

You have to be kidding!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Report Launch with Secretary of Education Arne Duncan and NYC Schools Chancellor Joel I. Klein&#8221;</p>
<p>You have to be kidding!</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Paranac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Paranac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Insiderknowledge: Check out this report by McKinsey and Company. I&#039;m sure many of you are familiar with it. Their research does its best to take an objective look at the causes of inequality in public education in our US -- a phenomenon none of us can deny. 

For highlights about the importance of teacher quality, see page the data on page 16, and then the discussion on page 21.

Click here for the link, and open the PDF to read the report: 

http://www.mckinsey.com/clientservice/Social_Sector/our_practices/Education/Knowledge_Highlights/Economic_impact.aspx 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insiderknowledge: Check out this report by McKinsey and Company. I&#8217;m sure many of you are familiar with it. Their research does its best to take an objective look at the causes of inequality in public education in our US &#8212; a phenomenon none of us can deny. </p>
<p>For highlights about the importance of teacher quality, see page the data on page 16, and then the discussion on page 21.</p>
<p>Click here for the link, and open the PDF to read the report: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.mckinsey.com/clientservice/Social_Sector/our_practices/Education/Knowledge_Highlights/Economic_impact.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.mckinsey.com/clientservice/Social_Sector/our_practices/Education/Knowledge_Highlights/Economic_impact.aspx</a><br />
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		<title>By: Michael Fiorillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Fiorillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What kind of teachers these two young people are is not particularly relevant to the debate. The issue is what they are proposing (and the curious coincidence that it occurs at precisely the same time as other attacks on teachers and seniority, and the public forums that have magically opened up to them), the ideologies that are embedded in it, and how it would play out in practice.

Long-time teachers have every right to be skeptical about their proposal, since TFA functions as a combination human resources department, recruiter for leadership training and union-busting fifth columnist cadre for corporate ed deform. Look no further than its role in the shock doctrine tactics employed in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, where the unionized teachers were unilaterally fired and the school system privatized. Guess who brought in the bright-eyed, idealistic scabs? Yes, Wendy, there&#039;s a special place in hell for people who manipulate the idealism of naive young people (carefully selected for their lack of historical awareness and unexamined class biases), and use the rhetoric of social justice for the selfish ends of the rich and powerful.

I&#039;m always struck by the Stepford Wives quality of TFA rhetoric: &quot;Achievement gap...buzz, whirr, click... value added... great teachers...buzz, whirr, click... innovation...&quot;

Ah, innovation. Yes, just like the &quot;financial innovation&quot; that TFA&#039;s hedge fund and investment bank patrons gave us in recent years, and with ultimately the  same results.

Should the proposals of these two go-getters become official policy, the practical result will be the further destruction of teaching as a career, and the the further chaining of students and teachers to numbers that are determined and manipulated by people with agendas that have nothing to do with education, but everything to do with the encroachment of private interests into the public schools.

Meanwhile, Sydney and Evan will most likely follow the path of most TFA alumni: off congratulating themselves for the cup of coffee they shared with the &quot;underprivileged&quot; while they await their interview at Goldman Sachs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of teachers these two young people are is not particularly relevant to the debate. The issue is what they are proposing (and the curious coincidence that it occurs at precisely the same time as other attacks on teachers and seniority, and the public forums that have magically opened up to them), the ideologies that are embedded in it, and how it would play out in practice.</p>
<p>Long-time teachers have every right to be skeptical about their proposal, since TFA functions as a combination human resources department, recruiter for leadership training and union-busting fifth columnist cadre for corporate ed deform. Look no further than its role in the shock doctrine tactics employed in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, where the unionized teachers were unilaterally fired and the school system privatized. Guess who brought in the bright-eyed, idealistic scabs? Yes, Wendy, there&#8217;s a special place in hell for people who manipulate the idealism of naive young people (carefully selected for their lack of historical awareness and unexamined class biases), and use the rhetoric of social justice for the selfish ends of the rich and powerful.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always struck by the Stepford Wives quality of TFA rhetoric: &#8220;Achievement gap&#8230;buzz, whirr, click&#8230; value added&#8230; great teachers&#8230;buzz, whirr, click&#8230; innovation&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, innovation. Yes, just like the &#8220;financial innovation&#8221; that TFA&#8217;s hedge fund and investment bank patrons gave us in recent years, and with ultimately the  same results.</p>
<p>Should the proposals of these two go-getters become official policy, the practical result will be the further destruction of teaching as a career, and the the further chaining of students and teachers to numbers that are determined and manipulated by people with agendas that have nothing to do with education, but everything to do with the encroachment of private interests into the public schools.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Sydney and Evan will most likely follow the path of most TFA alumni: off congratulating themselves for the cup of coffee they shared with the &#8220;underprivileged&#8221; while they await their interview at Goldman Sachs.</p>
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		<title>By: Pogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a teacher for over ten years, I can&#039;t remember teachers attacking each other before Bloomberg, Klein, and TFA entered the educational landscape.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a teacher for over ten years, I can&#8217;t remember teachers attacking each other before Bloomberg, Klein, and TFA entered the educational landscape.</p>
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		<title>By: insiderknowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>insiderknowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 04:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know the problem here is that we are taking the DOE line..&quot;teachers are the problem&quot; and running with it with this E4E gargage.. We&#039;re making heros and martyrs out of the 2 finks and losing site of what is happening..We are allowing ourselves to be blamed and giving creedence to the  DOE line that the problem with education in the city is the teachers.. Enough of the people posting on here are teachers so I ask all of you.. How many of you think teachers and teacher quality is what needs to be fixed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the problem here is that we are taking the DOE line..&#8221;teachers are the problem&#8221; and running with it with this E4E gargage.. We&#8217;re making heros and martyrs out of the 2 finks and losing site of what is happening..We are allowing ourselves to be blamed and giving creedence to the  DOE line that the problem with education in the city is the teachers.. Enough of the people posting on here are teachers so I ask all of you.. How many of you think teachers and teacher quality is what needs to be fixed?</p>
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		<title>By: CA Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>CA Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 04:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This Is Not Personal said: 
&quot;It sounds like these are two teachers who are trying to make a difference.&quot;

If they fulfill the destiny of the typical TFA recruit and really do leave teaching, than they are nothing more than dilettantes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Is Not Personal said:<br />
&#8220;It sounds like these are two teachers who are trying to make a difference.&#8221;</p>
<p>If they fulfill the destiny of the typical TFA recruit and really do leave teaching, than they are nothing more than dilettantes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Paranac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Paranac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 04:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am excited by the macro vision of E4E to find an alternative way to hire and retain the best educators for NYC students. Implicit in the vision of E4E is that these educators – should the vision of E4E take flight – would be a mix of veterans and novices; it does not take much of a discerning eye to see that there are strengths and weaknesses in both camps. 

It is unclear to me how the founders’ performance in their respective classrooms over the past three years lays the ground for their credibility in establishing E4E. I searched the E4E website and didn’t find any dogmatic approach to eliminating “last in first out” or establishing a fair, merit-based system – am I missing something? For those who are criticizing the inexperience of these teachers – at exactly what age can they legitimately begin to question their new profession and challenge their colleagues to make positive changes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am excited by the macro vision of E4E to find an alternative way to hire and retain the best educators for NYC students. Implicit in the vision of E4E is that these educators – should the vision of E4E take flight – would be a mix of veterans and novices; it does not take much of a discerning eye to see that there are strengths and weaknesses in both camps. </p>
<p>It is unclear to me how the founders’ performance in their respective classrooms over the past three years lays the ground for their credibility in establishing E4E. I searched the E4E website and didn’t find any dogmatic approach to eliminating “last in first out” or establishing a fair, merit-based system – am I missing something? For those who are criticizing the inexperience of these teachers – at exactly what age can they legitimately begin to question their new profession and challenge their colleagues to make positive changes?</p>
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		<title>By: Another PS 86 Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another PS 86 Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 03:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was directed to this site after another colleague at my school told me of the heated debate that was going on on this blog. However, after reading all the commentary it has become clear to me that there is no legitimate debate going on at all - just baseless, derogatory, juvenile, infantile name-calling. I&#039;m embarrassed to work with people who would stoop so low in an attempt to defame Sydney and Evan, two of our very hard-working, caring colleagues.

While I don&#039;t know Sydney or Evan very well, I have spent enough time in their classrooms and observing them with their students to know that they are both great teachers who care immensely about their students, as do most of us at PS 86... perhaps with the exception of those immature and cowardly enough to post the lies about Sydney and Evan that I read on this blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was directed to this site after another colleague at my school told me of the heated debate that was going on on this blog. However, after reading all the commentary it has become clear to me that there is no legitimate debate going on at all &#8211; just baseless, derogatory, juvenile, infantile name-calling. I&#8217;m embarrassed to work with people who would stoop so low in an attempt to defame Sydney and Evan, two of our very hard-working, caring colleagues.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t know Sydney or Evan very well, I have spent enough time in their classrooms and observing them with their students to know that they are both great teachers who care immensely about their students, as do most of us at PS 86&#8230; perhaps with the exception of those immature and cowardly enough to post the lies about Sydney and Evan that I read on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: The facts from a neutral PS 86 Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>The facts from a neutral PS 86 Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 01:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are the real facts, there is no need to google anything.  PS 86 has tracked classes meaning that the top few classes have all of the students who have high scores and good behavior from the previous year (A, B, and C classes are how we refer to them).  I am looking at the print out of the school scores from last year, both ELA and Math.  The only classes that have better scores than Evan&#039;s in the 6th grade are the A, B, and C classes and he had one of the two bottom classes.  He had almost all 3&#039;s a few 2&#039;s and a few 4&#039;s.  he did not receive a single one on either test last year.  

The real issue here is value added data as I am sure E4E and Evan would argue.  We would need to see where his students came in and how much they improved to know what effect he really had on his students.  At this point, the only people that have access to that information are Evan and our administrative staff.  I have no idea how he performed in this area.  I am in Evan&#039;s classroom once a week and the progress that he has made with some of his students is amazing.  His class has at least 11 IEPs and many students who have had behavior issues for many years.  He also just received another student who was causing too much disruption in another class and I have never heard him complain. 

Evan is not the best teacher in the school and I don&#039;t think he would claim that he is, but he has contributed a great deal to his grade and his students in his 3 years.  He also told me today that he would be at 86 next year.

I am not sure who this &quot;large group&quot; of teachers that are so against Evan and Sydney are, but I can promise they have not approached him about anything and ever been turned down.  Evan has been receptive to all of my suggestions and seems to be genuinely interested in becoming a better teacher.  He was also genuinely interested in my comments about education reform, which do not align with his.  He had open ears and we have spoken several items and i think that both of us have learned from each other.  I would be sad to see Evan leave 86, to leave teaching, and I know the school and students would be worse off with out him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are the real facts, there is no need to google anything.  PS 86 has tracked classes meaning that the top few classes have all of the students who have high scores and good behavior from the previous year (A, B, and C classes are how we refer to them).  I am looking at the print out of the school scores from last year, both ELA and Math.  The only classes that have better scores than Evan&#8217;s in the 6th grade are the A, B, and C classes and he had one of the two bottom classes.  He had almost all 3&#8242;s a few 2&#8242;s and a few 4&#8242;s.  he did not receive a single one on either test last year.  </p>
<p>The real issue here is value added data as I am sure E4E and Evan would argue.  We would need to see where his students came in and how much they improved to know what effect he really had on his students.  At this point, the only people that have access to that information are Evan and our administrative staff.  I have no idea how he performed in this area.  I am in Evan&#8217;s classroom once a week and the progress that he has made with some of his students is amazing.  His class has at least 11 IEPs and many students who have had behavior issues for many years.  He also just received another student who was causing too much disruption in another class and I have never heard him complain. </p>
<p>Evan is not the best teacher in the school and I don&#8217;t think he would claim that he is, but he has contributed a great deal to his grade and his students in his 3 years.  He also told me today that he would be at 86 next year.</p>
<p>I am not sure who this &#8220;large group&#8221; of teachers that are so against Evan and Sydney are, but I can promise they have not approached him about anything and ever been turned down.  Evan has been receptive to all of my suggestions and seems to be genuinely interested in becoming a better teacher.  He was also genuinely interested in my comments about education reform, which do not align with his.  He had open ears and we have spoken several items and i think that both of us have learned from each other.  I would be sad to see Evan leave 86, to leave teaching, and I know the school and students would be worse off with out him.</p>
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