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Why Teaching Experience Matters

Teacher layoffs in New York State are about to begin, and they will not be pretty. There is no ideal approach to them; one can only hope to do as little harm as possible. But how do we set our priorities? Who should stay, and why?

Currently, the teachers contract requires layoffs to be done according to seniority, following the basic principle of “last hired, first fired.” In a recent City Journal op-ed, Manhattan Institute Senior Fellow Marcus Winters objects to the idea of laying newer teachers off first:

Basing layoffs on seniority would make sense if it were true that more experienced teachers were always more effective. But a wide and uncontroversial body of research says that’s not the case. We know that after only a couple of years in the classroom, a teacher’s additional experience has no bearing on the amount her students learn.

Unfortunately this is one of those “research has shown” statements that distort what the research has actually shown. It is far from true that “after only a couple of years in the classroom, a teacher’s additional experience has no bearing on the amount her students learn.” With respect to test scores alone, the statement is inaccurate — and a teacher’s influence on learning (as any teacher knows) goes far beyond test scores.

What does the “body of research” actually say? A few leading studies indicate that the effect of teacher experience on student achievement is greatest in the first few years. In “Photo Finish” (Education Next, Winter 2007), Thomas J. Kane, Jonah E. Rockoff and Douglas O. Staiger report:

New York’s teachers are no different from other teachers around the country. Teachers make long strides in their first three years, with very little experience-related improvement after that. The students of third-year teachers score 6 percent and 3 percent of a standard deviation higher in math and reading, respectively, than students of first-year teachers.

This does not mean that additional teaching experience has no effect. Charles T. Clotfelter, Helen F. Ladd and Jacob L. Vigdor (2007) have found that teacher experience has a significant positive effect on student achievement, with more than half of the gains occurring during the teacher’s first few years, but substantial gains occurring over subsequent years, albeit at a slower rate. They write:

Compared to a teacher with no experience, the benefits of experience rise monotonically to a peak in the range of 0.092 (from model 4) to 0.119 (from model 5) standard deviations after 21-27 years of experience, with more than half of the gain occurring during the first couple of years of teaching.

None of this is a surprise. Novice teachers are often thrown into chaotic situations; it may take them a year to get their bearings. They may be asked to teach a subject outside of their field, or to teach more than one subject. They may be assigned the lowest-performing students. After a few years, not only do they get a handle on their everyday duties, but their assignments may be slightly easier or closer to what they know.

One would expect, even hope, that a teacher’s effect on test scores would slow down at a certain point. Students have a role in their own achievement, after all. A teacher typically has a mix of students: those who work hard at their subject and those who don’t, those who find the subject easy and those who struggle with it. Yes, a teacher’s instruction has a great effect on students, and teachers should do all they can. But if years of teacher experience had a linear correspondence with gains on test scores, the teacher would essentially control student performance. What would this say for human choice and responsibility? What role would students play in their own education?

Beyond this, there is more to education than test scores in math and reading. It seems silly to belabor the point, but it eludes many policy makers and think-tankers. State tests are low-level tests of skills and strategies. They involve very little subject matter knowledge; to pass a reading test, one need not have read any excellent literature. One doesn’t even need to know how to write a grammatical sentence. An excellent teacher goes far beyond the test in rigor, substance, and understanding, and life experience and teaching experience enrich this.

Besides teaching the actual subject (which is much richer than the stuff on the tests), a teacher offers insight, knowledge, experience, and wisdom, whether directly or indirectly. Over time, a teacher comes to see the education field and his or her subject in perspective. Newer teachers may be excited about new discoveries, but teachers with more experience can distinguish valuable ideas from passing fads. There are exceptions, of course, on both ends. But experience can bring humility, good judgment, and an ability to see and hear the larger story.

A student gleans these things. They affect the sounds in the room, the tenor of the lesson, the way the subject matter comes through. They can be sensed in the tones of the words. I remember how a teacher read Robert Frost’s “Never Again Would Birds’ Song Be the Same,” and the strange mixture of triumph, humor, and sadness in the last line, “And to do that to birds was why she came.” A younger teacher might have read it beautifully but without quite the same mixtures.

The point is not that veteran teachers simply read poems with more feeling. The point is that life experience and the immersion in the subject affect the teaching in all sorts of ways, large and small. Repetition brings not only fluency, but insight; when you teach a subject over and over (especially a subject you know and love), you see more in it and find different ways of presenting it. Your repertoire grows; you have more materials, ideas, and lessons in your mind and file cabinets. You know how to reach your students; you are less severely affected by the day’s or the year’s ups and downs, distractions, and interruptions. Experienced teachers are also a great asset to novice teachers who need advice, encouragement, and guidance. When a school goes through upheavals every few years — discarding one model for another, or firing half its staff–a veteran teacher can help keep the school and its purpose intact.

At the end of his piece, Winters acknowledges that decisions should not depend solely on test scores. But this qualification comes a bit late. Even at their best, tests are confined to the short term and reflect only a fraction of what students learn. Teacher experience — even after the first few years — does affect test scores, but it affects much more than that. What the student turns into habit or remembers years down the road, what continues to play in the mind long after the test is done — that is the stuff of education. That is the stuff that veteran teachers teach well, having learned to sort out the flashy from the true.

  • Ken

    Arjun,

    Your descriptions of the work load and challenges of teaching are great.  Two things you mention relate to areas that I want to do more work on:
    1. A better understanding of why student-teacher ratios across the system are often reported as being quite low, while class size numbers are often reported as being quite high.  Many people have done lots of work on this, so much of this investigation is just reviewing what’s out there to form a better opinion.
    2. Where is the money going?  We spend over $20 billion each year on about 1 million kids.  That seems like a lot of money.  Yet many people think we should be spending even more.  If you have 35 students, those 35 students are financed with well over $500,000 per year. 

  • Ken

    Norm and Julie,

    Thanks for this info.  As usual, I enjoy reading your descriptions about what is going on from the inside.  

    Overt time, I’d love to hear and learn more about peer review experiments (or lack thereof) in NYC or elsewhere.

  • Diana Senechal

    I am sorry for not being more involved in this interesting discussion–I appreciate the comments and plan to go back and read them all slowly when I get a chance. Arjun, I look forward to your update. Your description of your experience is very important–it is hard enough to teach a single subject at many different levels, but to teach three or four in the same year? Calling them “preps” doesn’t do justice to the knowledge and experience required for each one. It saddens me that reformers downplay the importance of teachers’ knowledge of subject matter. It may be that teachers do not need an advanced degree for all subjects. But in high school the teacher has to know the subject deeply–no way around it–and each subject takes more than a “prep”; it takes immersion, ongoing interest, and practice.

  • http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/ norm

    Diana
    It is interesting that elementary school teachers in self-contained classrooms need to do the opposite of Arjun in a sense – be versed in a wide variety of subjects and interests which makes it hard to be an expert in any one area.

    We have multiple preps each day but only have to work with our one class. The experiences of elem and high school teachers can be so different as to be totally different jobs.

    I found that teachers with a deep interest and passion about something personal that share that interest with their classes can have a greater impact than just going through the curriculum. That passion can ignite all kinds of interest. In terms of things like reading, sometimes turning on the switch in one area can do so much more than trudging through skills practice. I used to play Beatle music a lot. One day I got a letter from a former student in the army in Germany a decade after he was in my class thanking me for turning him on. He knew everything about the music and probably did a lot of reading he ordinarily wouldn’t do.

  • Diana Senechal

    Norm, you bring up an important point: that elementary and high school teaching can be totally different jobs. Granted, a high school teacher can have many interests, and an elementary school teacher can have deep preparation in a particular subject, and this is good. But overall an elementary school teacher needs wide knowledge of and interest in many subjects, and a high school teacher needs to know a single subject (or group of subjects–say, French and Spanish literature) in depth. If they have more, so much the better. This is yet another example of how teaching is not one single thing. A person who does brilliant work as a tenth-grade history teacher might flounder as a third-grade classroom teacher, and vice versa. Much of this seems to get lost in discussions of “effective” teaching; there’s teaching, and teaching, and teaching, and teaching, and teaching.

  • Arjun Janah

    Diana,

    I agree wholeheartedly with everything you say, and I could not have said it better. Your clear perception of these basic matters appears to be beyond the ability or will of the educational establishment to comprehend. It seems to prefer to divert itself with deference to simplistic dogmas which show no regard for differences in content and grade level.

    This has always been the case, even as we have had to deal, at least in high school, with cram classes that are far too content-intensive for the time allotted, and for which these dogmas make the poorest fit possible. And then we have also the diverse problems bestowed on us by society, along with the erosion of whatever little authority and autonomy was once enjoyed by a classroom teacher.

    And yet, miracle of miracles, many of us have been lucky enough to have enjoyed some good years, enjoying working with our students and seeing them learning, as well as learning from them. Unfortunately, these little bits of hard-won joy appear to be harder and harder to come by. But, without them, we wilt and wither.

    I also noted Norm’s comment, which I empathize with strongly , and Ken’s questions, which I cannot answer properly now for lack of knowledge and time.

    I will return to this later. Thanks for the insightful comments and the questions.

    Arjun

  • Arjun Janah

    I agree with Julie that tenure and seniority allow teachers to speak out. Seniority should not be made into a racket, but tenure is a sine qua non. I have very mixed feelings about peer review.

    A small bonus system might do less harm than good, in my opinion, but only if it was based on objective measures, and kept within reasonable bounds. Those with a yen for extra cash might find this to be an incentive, and those who naturally work harder would find some financial justice. But both of these things — objective measures and reasonable bounds are difficult to achieve and maintain in practice.

    People will deride me for this. But will mothers be also evaluated and rewarded/punished for performance? Nurture is, at its very essence, a non-competitive activity.

    Yes, teachers do get paid. We have to pay our bills to subsist. But this profession never did run on money alone. And, hopefully, it never will.

    Arjun

  • Irfan Anwar

    Teaching experience is needed for better teaching but it doesn’t necessarily make you better at teaching than newcomers. The new teacher gains experience through teaching. How will they become experienced if they are fired? The experience teachers should also be laid off based on their overall achievement during their teaching years.
    Having experience in teaching makes you an effective teacher to a certain point but it doesn’t justify you as a better teacher than any newcomer. There are lots of new talented teachers with great ideas and thoughts on improving the education system. They should be given a chance to prove their selves. Most of the experienced teachers have been following the same old ways of teaching. They might work better for some students but not for all. The new teachers are starting their career with different and somewhat better ideas and they are fairly ready to deal with the difficult situations.
    The new teacher gains experience through teaching. If they are fired, how else will they get the experience needed to teach in schools? The principle “last hired, first hired” does not make sense. The senior teachers are not going to teach forever. The new teachers eventually become old and experienced teachers. If they are fired, what will happen to the next generation of teachers? The old and experienced teachers are supposed to be role models and advisors for the new teachers. So when the old teachers have retired or passed on, we have new teachers to follow on their footpaths and keep this chain going.
    The experience teachers should also be laid off based on their overall achievement during their teaching years. This can be done by their evaluation charts and also by surveys. I personally have had some dealt with some experienced math teachers who did not do a good job in explaining the course material while some new teachers taught that subject very well.
    Teaching experience does matter but the teachers should not be laid off just because they have no or little experience in the teaching field. They should be given a chance to prove their selves. The teachers should not be laid off based on seniorities but it should be based on how effective they are? And finally, the new teachers eventually replace the old teachers so they should not be laid off just because they are new.
    Irfan Anwar

  • Shanay Ortiz

    The recession is bringing professionals to a competitive, nerve wrecking state of mind- especially teachers. There is a general understanding that due to the economy, cutbacks are necessary in order to be able to maintain a balanced economic system, but on what grounds? Careers and livelihoods are at stake and seniority is the ultimate factor when making the decision to lay teachers off. Personally I think that several other factors should be taken into consideration when deciding to change someone’s life in such a way but unfortunately many other people think differently.
    Diane Senechal, a city teacher who has taught in public schools for four years but has stepped back to write a book, agrees with how the system is handling the layoffs based on the teacher’s seniority. Senechal defends the teachers with the most experience, as she claims that those with experience have these magical humble characteristics. Senechal says, “ But experience can bring humility, good judgment, and an ability to see and hear the larger story” which basically in my opinion just sounds like an effortless excuse since those are qualities any teacher can have based on their character and not just their experiences. I am currently observing a High School as an education minor, and also remember my experience five years ago as a High School student and the older teachers were not all that they are cracked up to be. Some of them were rude, bitter and short patient. So it is not fair to say that teachers with experience learn how to be more understanding, this is not always the case.
    As far as teaching is concerned delivery should count just as much as it does when it comes to knowledge and experience. The main focus in the educational system and the determining factor of teachers keeping their jobs are how their students are performing on their test scores. When students fail, it reflects on the teachers failing and in which the schools are getting closed down. Who’s to say that new teachers will not be able to bring fresher, new ideas with more relative approaches for the students? Older teachers seem drained and fed up with most of their students and the educational system needs to make sure they have productive, hopeful teachers that sincerely want to help the children’s be better students and members of society. Hard working teachers with productive students and an excelling performance should keep their jobs, no matter how long they have been teaching.
    Education is very important and more important than treating those with seniority with fairness and favoritism should be how the children will be affected by the decisions that authorities make. Performance and relationships that teachers have with their students strongly affects the outcome of the children. Some teachers may only have a job because they’ve been working for a while and that is unfair to the new teachers that are eager and looking for an opportunity to help children. These factors should be considered before unfairly letting go some very good teachers that deserve to keep their jobs. I’m not saying that seniority should be a factor in deciding who to keep while in our economic struggle but at the same time it is only fair to the other hard working teachers and the students of our future that many other factors also get taken into consideration as well.

  • Shanay Ortiz

    I was assigned to write an op-ed on a blog that i’ve been tracking throughout the semester and this is it:

    The recession is bringing professionals to a competitive, nerve wrecking state of mind- especially teachers. There is a general understanding that due to the economy, cutbacks are necessary in order to be able to maintain a balanced economic system, but on what grounds? Careers and livelihoods are at stake and seniority is the ultimate factor when making the decision to lay teachers off. Personally I think that several other factors should be taken into consideration when deciding to change someone’s life in such a way but unfortunately many other people think differently.
    Diane Senechal, a city teacher who has taught in public schools for four years but has stepped back to write a book, agrees with how the system is handling the layoffs based on the teacher’s seniority. Senechal defends the teachers with the most experience, as she claims that those with experience have these magical humble characteristics. Senechal says, “ But experience can bring humility, good judgment, and an ability to see and hear the larger story” which basically in my opinion just sounds like an effortless excuse since those are qualities any teacher can have based on their character and not just their experiences. I am currently observing a High School as an education minor, and also remember my experience five years ago as a High School student and the older teachers were not all that they are cracked up to be. Some of them were rude, bitter and short patient. So it is not fair to say that teachers with experience learn how to be more understanding, this is not always the case.
    As far as teaching is concerned delivery should count just as much as it does when it comes to knowledge and experience. The main focus in the educational system and the determining factor of teachers keeping their jobs are how their students are performing on their test scores. When students fail, it reflects on the teachers failing and in which the schools are getting closed down. Who’s to say that new teachers will not be able to bring fresher, new ideas with more relative approaches for the students? Older teachers seem drained and fed up with most of their students and the educational system needs to make sure they have productive, hopeful teachers that sincerely want to help the children’s be better students and members of society. Hard working teachers with productive students and an excelling performance should keep their jobs, no matter how long they have been teaching.
    Education is very important and more important than treating those with seniority with fairness and favoritism should be how the children will be affected by the decisions that authorities make. Performance and relationships that teachers have with their students strongly affects the outcome of the children. Some teachers may only have a job because they’ve been working for a while and that is unfair to the new teachers that are eager and looking for an opportunity to help children. These factors should be considered before unfairly letting go some very good teachers that deserve to keep their jobs. I’m not saying that seniority should be a factor in deciding who to keep while in our economic struggle but at the same time it is only fair to the other hard working teachers and the students of our future that many other factors also get taken into consideration as well.

  • miss teacher

    Interesting points, Ms. Ortiz. However, you don’t really cite any hard evidence or research to support your opinions, which I think is especially important since you have never been a teacher. You don’t know very much about the way NYC works, either. Much of the objection around ending seniority-based layoffs is that it will actually more likely subject veteran teachers to layoffs, as they cost more than newer teachers. Also, a good percentage of NYC teachers leave within a few years, especially those who are from TFA. So there is a huge risk of creating a teaching force of people who don’t plan to stay and therefore may not be as invested in their work.

  • Michael Fiorillo

    It should additionally be pointed out that seniority-based layoffs protect new teachers in the sense that, as retirements and attrition take place, the laid-off new teachers are also called back according to seniority. Many of the thousands of teachers who were laid-off in the 1970′s were later called back and continued their careers in NYC. It was seniority that guaranteed them those recall rights.

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  • Thomas E. Van Hulle

    Diana,

    I’m writing a paper, for one my Ed.D. classes, on political ideology and methodology. I loved your article in American Educator critiquing 21st Century Skills–The Most Daring Education Reform of All (2010), but how would classify yourself…politically liberal or conservative? (I’m having a hard time find this on the internet.) :)

  • Diana Senechal

    Thomas, thank you for the kind words. As for political classification, I’m liberal in some ways and conservative in others.

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