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On the hard-to-pin-down nature of charter schools

Are charter schools public schools? Or are they something else? Teachers College doctoral candidate Alexander Hoffman has been tackling these questions in the GothamSchools community section.

Last week, Hoffman argued that contrary to the claims of charter school advocates, charter schools aren’t actually public schools. Today, he’s responding to numerous challenges he received in the comments section — challenges that he says haven’t changed his mind.

Hoffman writes:

While charter schools are clearly not traditional private schools, by design they are not like traditional public schools, either. Even if we acknowledge that there are differences between different charter schools, and between charter school laws, neither of these terms seem appropriate. … This leaves us with a need for a third term, as neither “public” or “private” would be appropriate.

  • http://www.citypragmatist.com CityPragmatist

    The questions that are more interesting to us are whether charters are (a) improving the overall level of education in the US, and (b) creating schisms in the communities where they operate.

    We’ve discussed this on our blog.

  • Tell the truth

    This debate shows what’s wrong with education circles: lack of tolerance for legitimate alternatives to the status quo.

    More money, smaller classes, charters, merit pay, better curriculum and standards, will not not not alone close the achievement gap. They all have a part in the conversation, but w are naive to this that minor reforms will change 11% graduation rates for SPED students or 40% achievement gaps for black and latino students.

    As for charters, please take a moment to visit the New York State Education Department’s website, where they clearly state that there are two major types of public schools in NY, traditional public schools and public charter schools. I’d hate to see what would happen to the scientific fields if no alternative models of study and research and methodologies were allowed to flourish.

    Tell the Truth

  • yomister

    I love Gotham Schools – it fulfills a unique role in NYC’s media coverage of education issues. Green, Vaughn, and Cramer did a superb job establishing this website.

    But the almost singular focus on charter schools wears a bit thin.

    It’s an important matter, no doubt, but given the state of education in NYC, I think there’s so many other developments that warrant attention.

    Keep up the great work, but perhaps consider a wider variety of focus areas?

  • I noticed that…

    to tell the truth:

    The N.Y. EDN. LAW § 2853 : NY Code – Section 2853: Charter school organization; oversight; facilities:

    Do public schools have term limits?
    “the charter school as an education corporation for a term not to exceed five years”.

    When it deals with facilities, the following is stated:
    For purposes of local zoning, land use regulation and building code compliance, a charter school shall be deemed a nonpublic school.”

    In this section of the law section 2853, it states:
    Public and private assistance to charter schools. * (a) For purposes of sections seven hundred one, seven hundred eleven, seven hundred fifty-one and nine hundred twelve of this chapter, a charter school shall be deemed a nonpublic school in the school district within which the charter school is located

    If charter schools are public schools, then explain the following from N.Y. EDN. LAW § 2854 : NY Code – Section 2854.
    “A student may withdraw from a charter school at any time and enroll in a public school.”

    If charter schools are public schools, then explain why there’s a disproportionate numbers of special needs and ELLs in charter schools when NYCode – Section 2854 states:
    “(b) Any child who is qualified under the laws of this state for admission to a public school is qualified for admission to a charter school.”

    If charter schools are public schools, then its employees should be allowed to unionize as per the NY Code – Section 2854.
    “nothing in this sentence shall be construed to subject a charter school subject to the provisions of this paragraph or its employees to any collective bargaining agreement between any public school district and its employees or to make the employees of such charter school part of any negotiating unit at such school district. The charter school may, in its sole discretion, choose whether or not to offer the terms of any existing collective bargaining to school employees.”

    In conclusion, with these few provisional states from the above laws, is charter schools truly public schools? I feel that the public should read the laws that outline the capacity and organizational structure of charter schools and how it differs substantially from the public schools.

  • GGW

    I’m not understanding one aspect of this argument. Mr. Hoffman argues that charters aren’t subject to “democratic accountability.”

    Should “democratic accountability” ALSO attach to the right to define words?

    Many state charter school laws — laws written by the elected reps themselves, which you’d think would be the very height of “democratic accountability” — specifically refer to them as “public schools.”

    How much more “democratic accountability” can you have? If the people don’t like the definition, they can vote out the reps.

    Why wouldn’t Mr. Hoffman abide by the very “democratic” process (in this case, respect the decision of The People on how to define a word) he claims to hold dear?

  • anathema

    We need more of these chatter schools. They know it do’nt take no greedy self fish teachers to be teaching them kids. What we need is people who appreciate having themselfs a job! Not these greedy self fish teachers who be cryin’ bout too many work days, too much work, too lil money, wawawa, keep on crying you poor teachers who be making $100, 000 per year with all benefists and all retirement when you 20 years. Whatta joke. In this ecomony its time to fire greedy self fish teachers who do’nt know what it like in the real world.

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