Comments on: Teachers union and city in talks to shrink rubber rooms http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/15/teachers-union-and-city-in-talks-to-shrink-rubber-rooms/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tutors http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/15/teachers-union-and-city-in-talks-to-shrink-rubber-rooms/comment-page-1/#comment-261307 Tutors Wed, 07 Apr 2010 06:26:25 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34651#comment-261307 This matter should be looked into with great concern because a huge amount of the tax payer’s money goes into paying the salaries of ‘rubber-room’ occupants. Instead of lingering on the charges, cases should be handed over to full-time judges to arrive on a decision as early as possible. This matter should be looked into with great concern because a huge amount of the tax payer’s money goes into paying the salaries of ‘rubber-room’ occupants. Instead of lingering on the charges, cases should be handed over to full-time judges to arrive on a decision as early as possible.

]]> By: jennifer http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/15/teachers-union-and-city-in-talks-to-shrink-rubber-rooms/comment-page-1/#comment-259054 jennifer Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:50:44 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34651#comment-259054 I was in the Rubber Room from 2005-2008 because i'm a Whistleblower I was among one of the first Teachers routed out of my school after the inception of the Klein think tank known as the Principal Academy. All trails including the use of the Rubber Room lead right back to the orchestrated take-over of public education by rich people who see it as the last frontier for exploitation of the masses using African American and Hispanic children. In the emails uncovered and written by Eva Maskowitz to Chancellor Klein, a comment is made by her that that tells the truth of their intent. Regarding the four Harlem Academies she has been able to co-op, Eva enthusiastically tells Klein that things are going so good that they will eventually have "an army of consumers". Co-opting the minds of our children will be worse than the exploitation of labor experienced by African Americans during the shameful years of slavery. If we think a generation of gansta rap created by the ignorant and broke was bad, i shutter to think of the perverse ways the power brokers will use our children in the future. Yes, this is about the Rubber Room but also about so much more because what you do their Teachers; you do to the Student. They are inherently connected!!! Kill off good Teachers and you kill off the potential for great Students. Anyone still stupid enough to think that the majority of Teachers sitting in the Rubber Rooms are guilty of anything more than being in the way of these people after all that has been reported, over the years, I'm sorry they are just stupid. And so in the spirit of the great ones, join us in Federal Court as NYC Teachers challenge the Department of Educations' right to subject Teachers to Rubber Rooms and what goes on in them. To the writer who says fire the Teachers, This is America honey...let's see what the Federal judges have to say, you keep watching and being "The American Idle" Visit www.Teachers4JusticeNow.org for more information that will be coming to you soon about the upcoming Federal case being bought before the Eastern District. I was in the Rubber Room from 2005-2008 because i’m a Whistleblower I was among one of the first Teachers routed out of my school after the inception of the Klein think tank known as the Principal Academy. All trails including the use of the Rubber Room lead right back to the orchestrated take-over of public education by rich people who see it as the last frontier for exploitation of the masses using African American and Hispanic children.

In the emails uncovered and written by Eva Maskowitz to Chancellor Klein, a comment is made by her that that tells the truth of their intent. Regarding the four Harlem Academies she has been able to co-op, Eva enthusiastically tells Klein that things are going so good that they will eventually have “an army of consumers”.

Co-opting the minds of our children will be worse than the exploitation of labor experienced by African Americans during the shameful years of slavery. If we think a generation of gansta rap created by the ignorant and broke was bad, i shutter to think of the perverse ways the power brokers will use our children in the future.

Yes, this is about the Rubber Room but also about so much more because what you do their Teachers; you do to the Student. They are inherently connected!!! Kill off good Teachers and you kill off the potential for great Students. Anyone still stupid enough to think that the majority of Teachers sitting in the Rubber Rooms are guilty of anything more than being in the way of these people after all that has been reported, over the years, I’m sorry they are just stupid.

And so in the spirit of the great ones, join us in Federal Court as NYC Teachers challenge the Department of Educations’ right to subject Teachers to Rubber Rooms and what goes on in them. To the writer who says fire the Teachers, This is America honey…let’s see what the Federal judges have to say, you keep watching and being “The American Idle”

Visit http://www.Teachers4JusticeNow.org for more information that will be coming to you soon about the upcoming Federal case being bought before the Eastern District.

]]> By: Philip Nobile http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/15/teachers-union-and-city-in-talks-to-shrink-rubber-rooms/comment-page-1/#comment-259002 Philip Nobile Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:32:56 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34651#comment-259002 Mustafa, Teachers can't be cleared by "biased" investigations. Mulgrew has never addressed false allegations, as far as I know.  UFT reps collude with investigators by remaining silent during interviews. Basically, the UFT has thrown us to the wolves before charges are filed. Then NYSUT lawyers take over and we are subject to hearings in which arbitrators often feel that they must split the difference and find teachers guilty of something. The UFT should stop the nonsense or at least attempt to reduce the evidentiary damage before the hearing stage. THAT the union does not do!  Mustafa,
Teachers can’t be cleared by “biased” investigations. Mulgrew has never addressed false allegations, as far as I know.

 UFT reps collude with investigators by remaining silent during interviews. Basically, the UFT has thrown us to the wolves before charges are filed. Then NYSUT lawyers take over and we are subject to hearings in which arbitrators often feel that they must split the difference and find teachers guilty of something.

The UFT should stop the nonsense or at least attempt to reduce the evidentiary damage before the hearing stage. THAT the union does not do! 

]]> By: Mustafa http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/15/teachers-union-and-city-in-talks-to-shrink-rubber-rooms/comment-page-1/#comment-259000 Mustafa Tue, 16 Mar 2010 02:52:49 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34651#comment-259000 To the poster above. I don't get it. Don't you want to be cleared so that you can return back to teaching? Isn't that what Mulgrew is trying to do? Seems to me that he wants to stop the false allegations and the placement of good teachers in the rubber rooms. To the poster above. I don’t get it. Don’t you want to be cleared so that you can return back to teaching?

Isn’t that what Mulgrew is trying to do? Seems to me that he wants to stop the false allegations and the placement of good teachers in the rubber rooms.

]]> By: Philip Nobile http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/15/teachers-union-and-city-in-talks-to-shrink-rubber-rooms/comment-page-1/#comment-258995 Philip Nobile Tue, 16 Mar 2010 02:27:00 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34651#comment-258995 The Delegates Assembly passed a resolution last year saying that "OSI has often investigated in a biased manner." Yet the UFT has done NOTHING to protect its members from such bias. Unknown to members, UFT reps have a strict policy of denying members notes the reps take during interviews with investigators, that is, if they bother to take notes. Speeding up investigations "often" conducted "in a biased manner" will harm the reassigned. The UFT must never agree to rubber room reforms without dealing with the corruption of OSI and its sister OEO. And wouldn't it be nice if President Mulgrew and his Unity crew stooped to consult with us rubber roomer before negotiating our fates with the DOE?      The Delegates Assembly passed a resolution last year saying that “OSI has often investigated in a biased manner.” Yet the UFT has done NOTHING to protect its members from such bias. Unknown to members, UFT reps have a strict policy of denying members notes the reps take during interviews with investigators, that is, if they bother to take notes.

Speeding up investigations “often” conducted “in a biased manner” will harm the reassigned. The UFT must never agree to rubber room reforms without dealing with the corruption of OSI and its sister OEO.

And wouldn’t it be nice if President Mulgrew and his Unity crew stooped to consult with us rubber roomer before negotiating our fates with the DOE?     

]]> By: The New Is Out About the UFT and the DOE http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/15/teachers-union-and-city-in-talks-to-shrink-rubber-rooms/comment-page-1/#comment-258990 The New Is Out About the UFT and the DOE Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:47:49 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34651#comment-258990 The current UFT powers and even more so the DOE created the rubber room system to make teachers look bad. The both have used the rubber room system for their own slandering of the profession of teaching and of each other. Who on earth in their right mind would allow a person to get paid for years for doing nothing? A bunch of STUPID IDIOTS! The UFT and the DOE along with mayor Bloomberg have destroyed education and now are letting private charter companies rule the day. History will show this time, the time of the ending of public schools, the ending of teachers unions, to be very, very bad for society and a complete manipulation and take over of the rich. All public services are in their last days. How sad to sell our families, children and communities to companies. The rubber room was one little thing that those not in education, regular citizens, pick up on yet blame the teachers for when in reality, the teachers had nothing to do with it. A one to two month limit to investigate a teacher incident should be the rule. But as the recent storm shows, private companies and municipalities are on skeleton staff and cannot clean up down trees for days, and restore power to residents, or the city even fix pot holes, how would they be able to process an incident in a fair amount of time? Bloomberg cannot even get pot holes fixed and he is the Almighty Demigod and Czar of public education in NYC? That makes NYC totally screwed! Bloomberg did not go all nuts and crazy about charter school his first 8 years, but now that he has started what may be the first set of his stolen years, (come on, we all know he is a power hungry demon and would love to rule NYC forever – only he can do it remember and with his girlfriend planning to run for office, he will still have his hand in politics and with the Supreme Court ruling that any millionaire/billionaire can donate and control a political candidate, you know the mayor will increase his billions even more, but I digress), Bloomberg’s rubber rooms have served him well as he goes for the jugular of the UFT and the citizens who serve as teachers to our society. The current UFT powers and even more so the DOE created the rubber room system to make teachers look bad. The both have used the rubber room system for their own slandering of the profession of teaching and of each other. Who on earth in their right mind would allow a person to get paid for years for doing nothing? A bunch of STUPID IDIOTS! The UFT and the DOE along with mayor Bloomberg have destroyed education and now are letting private charter companies rule the day. History will show this time, the time of the ending of public schools, the ending of teachers unions, to be very, very bad for society and a complete manipulation and take over of the rich. All public services are in their last days. How sad to sell our families, children and communities to companies. The rubber room was one little thing that those not in education, regular citizens, pick up on yet blame the teachers for when in reality, the teachers had nothing to do with it. A one to two month limit to investigate a teacher incident should be the rule. But as the recent storm shows, private companies and municipalities are on skeleton staff and cannot clean up down trees for days, and restore power to residents, or the city even fix pot holes, how would they be able to process an incident in a fair amount of time? Bloomberg cannot even get pot holes fixed and he is the Almighty Demigod and Czar of public education in NYC? That makes NYC totally screwed! Bloomberg did not go all nuts and crazy about charter school his first 8 years, but now that he has started what may be the first set of his stolen years, (come on, we all know he is a power hungry demon and would love to rule NYC forever – only he can do it remember and with his girlfriend planning to run for office, he will still have his hand in politics and with the Supreme Court ruling that any millionaire/billionaire can donate and control a political candidate, you know the mayor will increase his billions even more, but I digress), Bloomberg’s rubber rooms have served him well as he goes for the jugular of the UFT and the citizens who serve as teachers to our society.

]]> By: Charles Turner http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/15/teachers-union-and-city-in-talks-to-shrink-rubber-rooms/comment-page-1/#comment-258968 Charles Turner Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:37:03 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34651#comment-258968 Most of the rubber room teachers are guilty so why bother. I say fire them first then make them beg for their jobs back Most of the rubber room teachers are guilty so why bother. I say fire them first then make them beg for their jobs back

]]> By: Jeff S http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/15/teachers-union-and-city-in-talks-to-shrink-rubber-rooms/comment-page-1/#comment-258967 Jeff S Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:33:38 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34651#comment-258967 You must not give the arrogant, incompetent, unqualified, uncertified lawyer masquerading as an educator this power. One of the problems is so many of the Principals who are graduates of his Leadership Academy are incapable of providing the proper support for teachers based on their total lack of experience or properly document a case. This country was built on the principle that a person is not to be found guilty unless proven so beyond a reasonable doubt. Just because Klein and his cronies do not know how to properly document case is no reason to deprive innocent teachers of their pay. If Klein is given this power, there will be no hurry to complete the cases and properly investigate debateable charges. If the UFT caves on this, they are crazy and another step in selling their membership down the river. You must not give the arrogant, incompetent, unqualified, uncertified lawyer masquerading as an educator this power. One of the problems is so many of the Principals who are graduates of his Leadership Academy are incapable of providing the proper support for teachers based on their total lack of experience or properly document a case. This country was built on the principle that a person is not to be found guilty unless proven so beyond a reasonable doubt. Just because Klein and his cronies do not know how to properly document case is no reason to deprive innocent teachers of their pay. If Klein is given this power, there will be no hurry to complete the cases and properly investigate debateable charges. If the UFT caves on this, they are crazy and another step in selling their membership down the river.

]]> By: leonie haimson http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/15/teachers-union-and-city-in-talks-to-shrink-rubber-rooms/comment-page-1/#comment-258963 leonie haimson Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:06:57 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34651#comment-258963 This is a no brainer: speeding up the investigations and holding to the six month limit (though it should be shorter). But what's stopping the city from doing this this anyway? This is a no brainer: speeding up the investigations and holding to the six month limit (though it should be shorter). But what’s stopping the city from doing this this anyway?

]]> By: Teacher In The Bronx http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/15/teachers-union-and-city-in-talks-to-shrink-rubber-rooms/comment-page-1/#comment-258961 Teacher In The Bronx Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:40:28 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34651#comment-258961 No, no, no, to suspending w/o pay teachers who are charged. This will be so taken advantage of. The lawyers instead of weighing evidence and costs in putting a teacher in the RR will have one last concern and you will see more teachers being charged with that in place. Even NYPD the max suspension w/o pay is 30 days. No, no, no, to suspending w/o pay teachers who are charged. This will be so taken advantage of. The lawyers instead of weighing evidence and costs in putting a teacher in the RR will have one last concern and you will see more teachers being charged with that in place.

Even NYPD the max suspension w/o pay is 30 days.

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