Comments on: What to look for in today’s graduation rate presentations http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/09/what-to-look-for-in-todays-graduation-rate-presentations/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dee Alpert http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/09/what-to-look-for-in-todays-graduation-rate-presentations/comment-page-1/#comment-258381 Dee Alpert Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:13:42 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34337#comment-258381 The NYC and NYS rates do not include kids in the NYC DOE's District 75, nor the kids in various BOCES around the State. This is a large and significant number of kids. These schools aren't even mentioned in the State's reports. If the City and State can't start releasing the same data for kids with mild to moderate disabilities as they do for all other students, then perhaps it's time for a discrimination complaint to be filed with US DOE's Office for Civil Rights. OCR announced a big civil rights enforcement initiative earlier this week. Getting parents of kids with disabilities the same information as is available for all non-disabled kids, so that the parents can make the same kinds of intelligent choices as other parents can, seems to me be to be a very good place to begin. If anyone would like to join me in an OCR complaint to force NYC and NYS Ed. to release the identical dataset for kids with mild to moderate disabilities as they do for all other kids, please feel free to contact me so we can draft something up and get it submitted quickly. The NYC and NYS rates do not include kids in the NYC DOE’s District 75, nor the kids in various BOCES around the State. This is a large and significant number of kids. These schools aren’t even mentioned in the State’s reports.

If the City and State can’t start releasing the same data for kids with mild to moderate disabilities as they do for all other students, then perhaps it’s time for a discrimination complaint to be filed with US DOE’s Office for Civil Rights. OCR announced a big civil rights enforcement initiative earlier this week. Getting parents of kids with disabilities the same information as is available for all non-disabled kids, so that the parents can make the same kinds of intelligent choices as other parents can, seems to me be to be a very good place to begin.

If anyone would like to join me in an OCR complaint to force NYC and NYS Ed. to release the identical dataset for kids with mild to moderate disabilities as they do for all other kids, please feel free to contact me so we can draft something up and get it submitted quickly.

]]> By: Michael M. http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/09/what-to-look-for-in-todays-graduation-rate-presentations/comment-page-1/#comment-258286 Michael M. Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:19:59 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34337#comment-258286 PN, Your comment did appear. On the other similar string ("Graduation Rates Are Up"... etc). Different Mike, same Leonie. ; - ) PN,

Your comment did appear.
On the other similar string (“Graduation Rates Are Up”… etc).
Different Mike, same Leonie. ; – )

]]> By: jodama http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/09/what-to-look-for-in-todays-graduation-rate-presentations/comment-page-1/#comment-258258 jodama Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:50:40 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34337#comment-258258 Leonie, you're so right. All you have to do is look around our school. We have two 9th grade English teachers, math teachers, and history teachers. By 11th grade we only need one. Half the students have disappeared. Yet our school brags about its 90% graduation rate. I guess that's 90 percent of the 50 percent of kids who are still in the school after 4 years. Leonie, you’re so right. All you have to do is look around our school. We have two 9th grade English teachers, math teachers, and history teachers. By 11th grade we only need one. Half the students have disappeared. Yet our school brags about its 90% graduation rate. I guess that’s 90 percent of the 50 percent of kids who are still in the school after 4 years.

]]> By: Philip Nobile http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/09/what-to-look-for-in-todays-graduation-rate-presentations/comment-page-1/#comment-258255 Philip Nobile Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:46:26 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34337#comment-258255 Philissa, Earlier in the day, after Mike and before Leonie, I posted a comment suggesting a link between the rising graduation rate with principal and teacher cheating. I cited the Comptroller's report on Regents inflation and noted the undisputed fact that high stakes tests are correlated with increases in test tampering. I cited chapter 2 of "Freakonomics" as a source. My comment seems to have disappeared. I know I pressed "submit" and I think I noticed my posting. But I can't be certain. I pray that I did not bump into censorship. What happened? Philissa,
Earlier in the day, after Mike and before Leonie, I posted a comment suggesting a link between the rising graduation rate with principal and teacher cheating. I cited the Comptroller’s report on Regents inflation and noted the undisputed fact that high stakes tests are correlated with increases in test tampering. I cited chapter 2 of “Freakonomics” as a source.

My comment seems to have disappeared. I know I pressed “submit” and I think I noticed my posting. But I can’t be certain. I pray that I did not bump into censorship.

What happened?

]]> By: leonie haimson http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/09/what-to-look-for-in-todays-graduation-rate-presentations/comment-page-1/#comment-258147 leonie haimson Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:27:21 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34337#comment-258147 Someone ought to ask the administration what has happened to the discharge numbers, which they have stopped releasing since we released our report showing an increase in the numbers of students discharged from HS without diplomas. There were over 20,000 students discharged in the class of 2007, none of them counted as dropouts. The number of students discharged in their first year of HS has doubled in recent years. This is the black-hole of DOE accounting; the more students are discharged, the higher the graduation rate. Someone ought to ask the administration what has happened to the discharge numbers, which they have stopped releasing since we released our report showing an increase in the numbers of students discharged from HS without diplomas.
There were over 20,000 students discharged in the class of 2007, none of them counted as dropouts. The number of students discharged in their first year of HS has doubled in recent years. This is the black-hole of DOE accounting; the more students are discharged, the higher the graduation rate.

]]> By: Mike http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/09/what-to-look-for-in-todays-graduation-rate-presentations/comment-page-1/#comment-258136 Mike Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:34:55 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=34337#comment-258136 I work in a school and I will tell you that the numbers for the progress report, report card, and the data that is being unveiled today (which is March 4th) are all different for our school's four and six year graduation cohort. No idea why. I work in a school and I will tell you that the numbers for the progress report, report card, and the data that is being unveiled today (which is March 4th) are all different for our school’s four and six year graduation cohort. No idea why.

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