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		<title>By: Teacher G</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/09/spending-at-co-located-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-298218</link>
		<dc:creator>Teacher G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible for the CMO&#039;s to be spending money that is not factored into per pupil expense reports? Perhaps through a friend&#039;s of (insert school name here) nonprofit oganization?

I am think about expenses like: Public Relations, Consultants, Curriculum, and Executive Salary.

You wrote another article that mentioned how charter schools can hide the money that is being spent.

http://gothamschools.org/2009/12/04/irs-form-990s-and-charter-school-compensation/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible for the CMO&#8217;s to be spending money that is not factored into per pupil expense reports? Perhaps through a friend&#8217;s of (insert school name here) nonprofit oganization?</p>
<p>I am think about expenses like: Public Relations, Consultants, Curriculum, and Executive Salary.</p>
<p>You wrote another article that mentioned how charter schools can hide the money that is being spent.</p>
<p><a href="http://gothamschools.org/2009/12/04/irs-form-990s-and-charter-school-compensation/" rel="nofollow">http://gothamschools.org/2009/12/04/irs-form-990s-and-charter-school-compensation/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kim Gittleson</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/09/spending-at-co-located-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-258425</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Gittleson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lisa -
I did some quick research and found that in 2008-2009, there were 34 charter schools (out of 77) that spent less than the amount of philanthropy they took in per pupil (i.e. there was a surplus). In 2007-2008, the number was 14 (out of 58).

Overall, these schools tend to be part of larger CMO chains, and they mostly appear to save the difference from year to year - in some cases, because they are looking to save money for a building. This is the case with many of the Achievement First schools and the Icahn schools. 

Other cases are less clear - and many were not the same from year to year. For instance, in District 1, there were two co-located charters. Girls Prep spent more than it raised in philanthropy per pupil both years. Manhattan spent more in 2007-2008 and less in 2008-2009 - probably because it raised 5x as much money in 2008-2009 as it did in 2007-2008.

In terms of charters spending more money on admin, etc - I&#039;m not quite sure what you&#039;re getting at there. I looked at TOTAL expenditures per pupil - I didn&#039;t break it down to see the percentage of operating expenses devoted to teachers versus administration. That&#039;s more than enough for another post - and I&#039;m working on it!

Hope this helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lisa -<br />
I did some quick research and found that in 2008-2009, there were 34 charter schools (out of 77) that spent less than the amount of philanthropy they took in per pupil (i.e. there was a surplus). In 2007-2008, the number was 14 (out of 58).</p>
<p>Overall, these schools tend to be part of larger CMO chains, and they mostly appear to save the difference from year to year &#8211; in some cases, because they are looking to save money for a building. This is the case with many of the Achievement First schools and the Icahn schools. </p>
<p>Other cases are less clear &#8211; and many were not the same from year to year. For instance, in District 1, there were two co-located charters. Girls Prep spent more than it raised in philanthropy per pupil both years. Manhattan spent more in 2007-2008 and less in 2008-2009 &#8211; probably because it raised 5x as much money in 2008-2009 as it did in 2007-2008.</p>
<p>In terms of charters spending more money on admin, etc &#8211; I&#8217;m not quite sure what you&#8217;re getting at there. I looked at TOTAL expenditures per pupil &#8211; I didn&#8217;t break it down to see the percentage of operating expenses devoted to teachers versus administration. That&#8217;s more than enough for another post &#8211; and I&#8217;m working on it!</p>
<p>Hope this helps!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Donlan</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/03/09/spending-at-co-located-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-258408</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Donlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize in advance for this question if it is just plain stupid.



































































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Given the other, related  work you have done researching and reporting on how much charter schools take in calculated as per pupil revenue, how do we explain the difference between the funding charters take in and the money spent on students?

















For example, I recall pouring over the speedsheets you did  comparing per pupil philanthropy spending to examine the charters in my district (that ranged from roughly $300/student to over $3000/student in private funds).














































Before I look at this wonderful new research you just published I wanted to correct my lens- if charters take in more mony per pupil (which seems to be the case on average as well as speciifically in the charters co located in  my district),    then what can we surmise about charter spending?












                                                      Are the CMOs operating a sort of funding arbitrage by taking in slightly more than they spend on students? 










































Are charters spending more money on administration, p.r., lobbying, marketing, equipment, transportation,  or some other non educational type of expenditures?













I do apologize for asking before looking at the reports first myself, but I hoped you could correct my assumptions and lens before I dove in on a possible wild goose chase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize in advance for this question if it is just plain stupid.</p>
<p>Kim, </p>
<p>Given the other, related  work you have done researching and reporting on how much charter schools take in calculated as per pupil revenue, how do we explain the difference between the funding charters take in and the money spent on students?</p>
<p>For example, I recall pouring over the speedsheets you did  comparing per pupil philanthropy spending to examine the charters in my district (that ranged from roughly $300/student to over $3000/student in private funds).</p>
<p>Before I look at this wonderful new research you just published I wanted to correct my lens- if charters take in more mony per pupil (which seems to be the case on average as well as speciifically in the charters co located in  my district),    then what can we surmise about charter spending?</p>
<p>                                                      Are the CMOs operating a sort of funding arbitrage by taking in slightly more than they spend on students? </p>
<p>Are charters spending more money on administration, p.r., lobbying, marketing, equipment, transportation,  or some other non educational type of expenditures?</p>
<p>I do apologize for asking before looking at the reports first myself, but I hoped you could correct my assumptions and lens before I dove in on a possible wild goose chase.</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dee: the UFT 2008-09 audit can be found here: http://www.newyorkcharters.org/pubsReportsAudits.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dee: the UFT 2008-09 audit can be found here: <a href="http://www.newyorkcharters.org/pubsReportsAudits.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorkcharters.org/pubsReportsAudits.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dee Alpert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee Alpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at charter schools&#039; outside audits is a very interesting thing to do.  As it happens, the UFT&#039;s charter school didn&#039;t submit its audit for the school year ending in 2009, according to the NYS Ed. Dept.&#039;s Audit Office web site.  I wonder if the UFT felt that it had to contribute a lot of money to make the school work and produce good numbers, i.e., acting just like the private financiers who attract so much flack for doing the same thing for the charters of their choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at charter schools&#8217; outside audits is a very interesting thing to do.  As it happens, the UFT&#8217;s charter school didn&#8217;t submit its audit for the school year ending in 2009, according to the NYS Ed. Dept.&#8217;s Audit Office web site.  I wonder if the UFT felt that it had to contribute a lot of money to make the school work and produce good numbers, i.e., acting just like the private financiers who attract so much flack for doing the same thing for the charters of their choice.</p>
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