Comments on: Ignoring violations, parents want to keep a charter school open

By: I Thought So

I Thought So — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 04:32:01 +0000

What happened ENYP parents? I thought that your school was going to remain open? I guess that the lies that Sheila Joseph told you pacified you all. Guess your fight wasn’t strong enough after all. Dry Cry :”(…lol

By: concern parent

concern parent — Sun, 14 Feb 2010 04:53:34 +0000

Wow IGNORANCE IS BLISS! Your name says it all! Your posting sounds very ignorant! I think we missed the point of this fight! We all want our children to get the greatest education they deserve. It sound like you are insinuating that the student do not do there own work. As a parent that has been to the school and seen them with my own eyes trust me they do there own work. My problem in all this is everyone have a lot to say about the school and we are forgetting one key aspect. Freedom of choice! If there are parents that don’t like the school then take your children out. Plain and simple! Go find that imaginary perfect school your dreaming of. Let reality sink in when you enroll your child in a school with high crime rates and lack of education.

By: ENY Parent

ENY Parent — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:40:52 +0000

@ “Ignorance is Bliss” – Your name is fitting. You are truly ignorant. No strike that. You are just dumb.

By: IGNORANCE IS BLISS

IGNORANCE IS BLISS — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:09:42 +0000

Wah WAh ENYP Parent. Stop using theatrical events and movies to portray the community. Just because you don’t want to find another school for your child that will make them do their own work doesn’t mean everyone else does. Get over it. It’s finished.

By: Eyes wide open

Eyes wide open — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:56:25 +0000

I think Sheila is A crook.. I think the money has corrupted her THINK process. The employees have no voice they are just puppets in the madness at ENYP. Temps & Baby Teachers. Look at the staff and how they are thrown into chaos. Everyone their looks like they are in pain. Their school aides let children run wild and then they cram about 100 kids into one room on friday afternoons. Its a Mess!

By: ENY Parent

ENY Parent — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:09:12 +0000

Hey “Brooklynder” and ALL CAPS “ignorance is bliss” –

Objective Outsider already outed you. Do I know if Joseph is blameless? No. Do you? No. Maybe you shout STFU until the facts are in, huh?

Do I see through your efforts to use this dust up as an opportunity to slither in and wrest control of the school? Yes. Do I have any doubt that if this coup attempt prevails, you will be the first ones to claim credit for the success that has already been achieved? Of course you will! As I said, if you are looking for ignorant savages to save, go to the mountainous region of Pandora and save the Na’vi and their Tree of Souls. James Cameron got $2Billion in the bank for doing just that, I’m sure you can get a cut. Just leave us and our school alone. We don’t want or need your so-called “help.”

By: concern parent

concern parent — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 04:22:39 +0000

Sorry Brooklynder! I thought one of your posting was to what i said!

By: concern parent

concern parent — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 03:52:19 +0000

Dear Brooklynder -
I guess you did not read my comment carefully. If you read it carefully then you would see that no school is perfect. Are there problems? Yes! But, what school does not have there share? If the DOE feel that the Head Of School is not doing as good of a job then STEP IN and HELP. Not one parent can not say that the education given by that school isn’t rigorous. So why close the school? Wanting to close the school is not helping our kids its hurting them in the long run. For far too long our kids have been getting the short end of the educational stick. Now they have a chance to prepare themselves for a world that is waiting for them. Do I care that the principle is black! No! The principle could be any race and all that matters is that our children get the quality education they deserve. Ask yourself! If the DOE investigated all the principles and Heads of schools in the city (not taking in mind test score). How many would close for management issues? Don’t get me wrong have an African American principle is a great example for the children but like I said the children’s education is more important then skin color. Should a principle be held acceptable for there allegations? In the democracy we live in you are innocent before proven guilty. I need cut and dry facts not hear say. until then I feel that ENYP is a good school and if DOE can make it better great but don’t close the school when kids are succeeding. Also, were will the children of ENYP going to go if the school closes? No one cares! Why should our children fall by the waist side. – Concern parent

By: charter teacher

charter teacher — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:01:29 +0000

Reading all of the previous comments is just like following the press about charter schools and keeping abreast of educational politics throughout the past decade since the debate slowly came into the forefront of the educational reform movement. When looking at the particular school in question, yes! it is relevant and appropriate to hold Ms. Joseph accountable for the school’s progress – its academic gains, teacher retention, as well as operational and financial soundness. And yes! through school choice, and community involvement – charter schools can and will have a positive impact on the students of BK, NY, and beyond. Those who are ignorant about charter schools should take some time to research and think about what their perspective would be if their children were zoned to enroll in failing schools.

By: brooklynder

brooklynder — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:00:46 +0000

ENY Parent – So do you feel that Joseph has done absolutely nothing inappropriate and is being completely “set-up” by the DOE? Do you feel that she has made mistakes that you are willing to overlook because of the benefits that you’ve found for your child at this school? Do you feel that the only acceptable school leader for your child is one of the same ethnicity from the same neighborhood? Would a white school leader who truly wants to work with and serve the community be unacceptable? Would a black leader from Louisiana be unacceptable? I’d like to hear more about your standards and needs.

By: IGNORANCE IS BLISS

IGNORANCE IS BLISS — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:50:46 +0000

I GUESS WE FORGOT THAT THE VERY ISSUES THAT CAME UP AT THE MEETING ARE THE ONES THAT GOT THE SCHOOL PUT ON PROBATION IN THE FIRST PLACE. THIS IS HOW IT WORKS, AN INSTITUTUION VIOLATES PROTOCOL, A WARNING (WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST VISIT) IS GIVEN, PROBATION TAKES PLACE (WHICH WOULD BE THE SECOND MEETING THAT HAPPENED) IN WHICH A COMPLIANCE PACKET IS GIVEN, THE PACKET IS REVIEWED BY THE SCHOOL AND USED A CHECK LIST TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS. THE STATE COMES BACK 30 DAYS LATER AND REVIEWS EVERYTHING, INFORMING THE SCHOOL ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED. ULTIMATELY, IF THE PROBATION IS STILL STANDING AND MORE PROBLEMS ARISE THE PROBATION IS VIOLATED AND A DETERMINATION MEETING IS HELD, WHICH RESULTED IN THE CHARTER BEING REVOKED. SO LETS CONTINUE TO BLAME THE DOE FOR CLOSING ANOTHER BLACK SCHOOL WITH THE FEARLESS BLACK LEADER. LETS SAY THE TEACHERS ARE BAD AND THATS WHY THEY ARE GONE. LETS BLAME EVERYONE EXCEPT THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM.

By: ENY Parent

ENY Parent — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:28:45 +0000

Dear Caring Parent and Brooklynder –

No thank you. If it’s all the same to you, most of us current parents – you know, the ones with an ACTUAL stake in this – would just as soon stick with the team that got us here, your disaproval notwithstanding. I mena, don’t get me wrong, it’s very nice of you to “offer” to hostilely take over one of our community institutions. It’s mighty kind of you to offer to lead us from the abyss. But we’ve actually done suprising well without your kindhearted assistance up until now, so if you don’t mind, you can take your “help” elsewhere and allow us to address and correct these issues in a way that accords to our standards, our needs, and our community’s best interersts. Hope I don’t sound ungrateful. I am sure there are others in other communities who would love your help. Don’t believe me? Just watch Pocahontas, Dances with Wolves, Dangerous Minds, Honey, Avitar. (or if Hollywood’s not your thing, watch the coverage of the kinshearted American missionaries who tried to traffic 33 Haitian children to brothels in the Dominican Republic in their benevolent attempts to help).

Tell you what: we know how to find you now, ok. When we want your help we’ll reach out and ask for it.

By: concern parent

concern parent — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:18:46 +0000

As a parent of a child in charter school and reading all the comments posted about ENYP makes me wonder have some of you ever visit or know anyone at ENYP? I understand that one or two postings might have been from ex employees of the school. I will not say that everything that goes on with the school and it employees or even students are perfect. However, it hard and may be impossible to find a perfect school. No matter what school a child is attending there will always be something that parents, employees, and school officials will find wrong. The big picture here are the kids. What is going to happen to the kids or do anyone care. I care about my child education and I’m sure the parents of ENYP care too. No one want to talk about all the positive aspects that the school brought to the community. How much hope the school gave its students. No one want to talk about the limited spacing the school was giving to house all of its students. With that in mind they over came all the obstacles and the kids did excellent on there exams. Just because the kids come from the “Getto” does not mean they do not deserve a quality education like the perdominantly white schools. Yes, there are neighborhoods that have better school because of who occupies the neighborhoods but as we learned from Americas painful history that separate is not equal. There is nothing wrong with the supervision from the DOE but do not close the school. The students have a chance to become phenomenal, extraordinary young men an women capable of extraordinary things and they need a chance.

By: Caring Parent

Caring Parent — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:05:42 +0000

Is it really that difficult to get rid of Joseph and keep the school open by implementing new leadership? Its not fair to the children to have them thrusted into this mess and to close the school down. Get rid of the problem…

By: brooklynder

brooklynder — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:50:02 +0000

I’m concerned that both people who “support the school” and people who “want the school shut down” are missing the point. Is the principal the school? Is the board? If we are putting what is best for the students at the core of this argument, which we should in all discussions of education, then we must consider alternatives such as “turning around” the school by removing the leadership (which is either incompetent or unethical – neither being positive), allowing teachers to reapply for their positions (which allows qualified staff to remain while removing those who arent), and allowing all of the students to remain. A turnaround charter should be submitted by a new team, of which there are currently dozens competing for the few remaining “new school” charters. This will in a small way address the the unchanged charter cap while serving the students of ENYP and meeting the needs of the community. There are also currently significant financial incentives and funding opportunities for schools and districts embracing the turnaround approach.

By: Charisse

Charisse — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:51:36 +0000

Sorry for the typos , it’s not easy typing from my phone
BTW , not speaking in a harsh tone , just trying to get my point across .

By: Charisse

Charisse — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:46:20 +0000

This debate can go on forever !!! Everyone has there own opinion , and we will not see eye to eye . I never overlooked the fact that the school let go 48 children . Nor did I overlook the fact the teachers were dismissed . Why didn’t the DOE do anything when these complaints were made ? Why wait till now ? The school is doing well academically , now we need to give them a chance and fix everything else . I heard there is worse things going on in other charter schools , attack them first !!! Why use this school as an example. I’m sure u can go back and read about scandals in the DOE concerning money . Look at MTA . They were accused of stealing tax payers money . Did they shut them down ?? No , because they need them . You show me a school that is doing better than ENYP and guarantee seats for the children of ENYP, if not then let the proper people regulate and keep the school from
closing.
Why are you so frustrated with this school and the issues at hand ? You don’t even want to give the school a chance to become better than what it is . If the school fail and corruption continue . Then by all means close it down . Because the school will not have my support and I’m sure other parents feel the same. I think you have valid points but you need to look at it from every angle and not from one side . We have parents in the school that are educator, they want to see this school grow . There ate parents who can put there child in a different school and they still going to so well. WhAt about the children who are not as fortunate. The chances for them are slim. At ENYP the children are breed for success !! One day you need to look at the structure of the school and you will see for yourself .
Like I said before I wish they would have listened to the teachers and parents complaints but they didn’t . We as parents and the board will not let this happen again . Let’s wait and see what happens in March , because the faith of the school isn’t up to me or you but KLIEN . Hopefully he will listen to the people who support the school. You better believe we have Support !!!

By: Tim

Tim — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:55:30 +0000

That’s an impressive rant, Objective Outsider. I especially like how you take me to task for not waiting on the facts while simultaneously arriving at the conclusion that I’m a hard-core, dyed-in-the-wool racist on the basis of a couple of blog posts!

Anyway, surely you’ve noticed that I’ve asked at least twice before for an insider/parent to explain the departure of the 48 students. No one has been willing to do that. Your theory about the missing students doesn’t carry a lot water — it would be incredibly easy for ENYP to show that students had left the district or that they were at enrolled at private schools. Whatever explanation was given clearly didn’t pass muster with the DOE.

The DOE, with its charter-loving chancellor hand-picked by a charter-obsessed mayor, simply adores charters. They wouldn’t have taken this course against ENYP if there weren’t fire behind the smoke, and to say that the DOE wants to see a charter fail for racial reasons is ill-conceived, paranoid nonsense.

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By: Charterschoolhoax

Charterschoolhoax — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:21:20 +0000

A charter school that lets go of seasoned teachers and employs the rest of the school with Teach for America teachers should not keep going as a school. Although school choice is a necessity and a right, parents should realize that charter schools that employ inexperienced teachers and have principals that create the corruption from the inside should never run a school. It was bound to fail if the leader gives herself preferential treatment. No system runs well like that, and the students would have been the ones suffering.