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		<title>By: NYS DOE replacement list leads to school closures &#171; Rina&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYS DOE replacement list leads to school closures &#171; Rina&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 04:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Helen K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops!  I meant &quot;Emperor&#039;s New Clothes&quot; /spelling  lol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops!  I meant &#8220;Emperor&#8217;s New Clothes&#8221; /spelling  lol!</p>
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		<title>By: Helen K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a second-career teacher.   When I started teaching science six years ago I was amazed  that parents were not taking any blame for the poor progress of their children.  I thought of it as an&quot;Emporor&quot;s New Clothes&quot; phenomenon.  We can all see the obvious condition, but the politicians are unwilling to voice it in the public arena.  When I received my training a few years ago, I came across an interesting document called &quot;No Excuses&quot; .  Here is the link:   
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICDocs/data/ericdocs2sql/content_storage_01/0000019b/80/16/29/fa.pdf
 The author takes into account parental involvement as well as other factors needed to turn schools around.  We will not be able to change anything until the public debate is open and honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a second-career teacher.   When I started teaching science six years ago I was amazed  that parents were not taking any blame for the poor progress of their children.  I thought of it as an&#8221;Emporor&#8221;s New Clothes&#8221; phenomenon.  We can all see the obvious condition, but the politicians are unwilling to voice it in the public arena.  When I received my training a few years ago, I came across an interesting document called &#8220;No Excuses&#8221; .  Here is the link:<br />
<a href="http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICDocs/data/ericdocs2sql/content_storage_01/0000019b/80/16/29/fa.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICDocs/data/ericdocs2sql/content_storage_01/0000019b/80/16/29/fa.pdf</a><br />
 The author takes into account parental involvement as well as other factors needed to turn schools around.  We will not be able to change anything until the public debate is open and honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes a village....
I agree....Parents arent the only problem with the education system.  I responded to a few of the responses that I&#039;ve read.  I see both sides of the situation.  I have seen teachers give their students there all and have parents (as well as administrators) tell them they&#039;re not doing enough. I have seen teachers being abused emotionally and physically by their student, parents and administrators when they are trying their best. 

I understand that I may appear to be one-sided, but trust me I&#039;m not.  There are some teachers who are in need of improvement themselves.  I just feel instead of bashing them, help them.  Teachers can not do it alone. Parents can not do it alone. Administrators can not do it alone.  However, we need to stop blaming each other and get to the root of the problem. Losing teachers isnt the answer.  Overcrowding the classrooms isnt the answer.  We need to support our teachers so that they could do their job. I believe teachers are unappreciated by practically everyone.

WE ALL NEED TO LOOK AT OURSELVES....PARENTS, TEACHERS, PRINCIPAL, BOARD OF EDUCATION MEMBER..ALL OF US.  I responded the way I did because I&#039;m tired of hearing people bashing teachers.  I&#039;m simplying saying we need to look at parents as well.  

Truth be told, we also need to pay close attention to those who are making decisions about our children yet their children attend a private school which doesnt have the struggles our schools have. Parents, teachers, all of us need to come together and decide about whats best for our students.  Its interesting even with this discussion right now (and Im guilty as well).....no one that I&#039;ve read responded from a students point of view.  Students have alot on their plates as well. They also have a right to voice their opinion about the quality of the education they receive. It&#039;s their future.  

Personally, I believe children are expected to learn way too much in a short amount of time.  We need to go back to teaching for comprehension at a reasonable pace verses teaching to meet a quota. Schools need to be an institution where children &#039;want to&#039; attend verses &#039;have to&#039; attend. In short, WE need to look at the whole picture and stop fixing bits and pieces.  Lets stop talking about the problem and fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes a village&#8230;.<br />
I agree&#8230;.Parents arent the only problem with the education system.  I responded to a few of the responses that I&#8217;ve read.  I see both sides of the situation.  I have seen teachers give their students there all and have parents (as well as administrators) tell them they&#8217;re not doing enough. I have seen teachers being abused emotionally and physically by their student, parents and administrators when they are trying their best. </p>
<p>I understand that I may appear to be one-sided, but trust me I&#8217;m not.  There are some teachers who are in need of improvement themselves.  I just feel instead of bashing them, help them.  Teachers can not do it alone. Parents can not do it alone. Administrators can not do it alone.  However, we need to stop blaming each other and get to the root of the problem. Losing teachers isnt the answer.  Overcrowding the classrooms isnt the answer.  We need to support our teachers so that they could do their job. I believe teachers are unappreciated by practically everyone.</p>
<p>WE ALL NEED TO LOOK AT OURSELVES&#8230;.PARENTS, TEACHERS, PRINCIPAL, BOARD OF EDUCATION MEMBER..ALL OF US.  I responded the way I did because I&#8217;m tired of hearing people bashing teachers.  I&#8217;m simplying saying we need to look at parents as well.  </p>
<p>Truth be told, we also need to pay close attention to those who are making decisions about our children yet their children attend a private school which doesnt have the struggles our schools have. Parents, teachers, all of us need to come together and decide about whats best for our students.  Its interesting even with this discussion right now (and Im guilty as well)&#8230;..no one that I&#8217;ve read responded from a students point of view.  Students have alot on their plates as well. They also have a right to voice their opinion about the quality of the education they receive. It&#8217;s their future.  </p>
<p>Personally, I believe children are expected to learn way too much in a short amount of time.  We need to go back to teaching for comprehension at a reasonable pace verses teaching to meet a quota. Schools need to be an institution where children &#8216;want to&#8217; attend verses &#8216;have to&#8217; attend. In short, WE need to look at the whole picture and stop fixing bits and pieces.  Lets stop talking about the problem and fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: It Takes A Global Village!</title>
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		<dc:creator>It Takes A Global Village!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing rant or discusion above, yet I find nothing new besides finger pointing between the educators and parents.  I&#039;m glad to see that these moves toward change have left people feeling emotionally charged and perplexed by a problem that has been persisting for way to long.  This is a systemic problem, and outdated educational system for a more advanced, quicker paced, student body that has the attention span of about 30 seconds.  Parents will always exist.  The intellectuals are on the decline in this country, take a look at our last president for an example of intellectual deficiencies.  Today more than ever we must promote a total revamping of the way we educate the children in our communities, we must return to values and principles and not just authority based on fear, guilt or other forms of coersion.  The subsequent generations will not fall for the contrived education we are feeding them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing rant or discusion above, yet I find nothing new besides finger pointing between the educators and parents.  I&#8217;m glad to see that these moves toward change have left people feeling emotionally charged and perplexed by a problem that has been persisting for way to long.  This is a systemic problem, and outdated educational system for a more advanced, quicker paced, student body that has the attention span of about 30 seconds.  Parents will always exist.  The intellectuals are on the decline in this country, take a look at our last president for an example of intellectual deficiencies.  Today more than ever we must promote a total revamping of the way we educate the children in our communities, we must return to values and principles and not just authority based on fear, guilt or other forms of coersion.  The subsequent generations will not fall for the contrived education we are feeding them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so tired of people blaming teachers for low test scores.  Do any of you have any idea as to what it takes to be a teacher?  Teachers wear many hats, work ridiculous hours, and are subject to abuse from 8am to 3pm (and longer depending on how long he or she remains in the school building). The classrooms are overcrowded with children who are not on grade level. Many teachers sacrifice a personal life due to the excessive demands that are required of them.  Teaching is not a 9 to 5 job.  Many teachers work after hours in the school building or end up taking their work home with them. TEACHERS ARE NOT COMPENSATED FOR OVERTIME. 

WAKE UP PEOPLE! The problem with the school system are the parents.  I understand parents work long hours and have bills to pay.  That should have been thought about prior to deciding to become a parent.  I&#039;m not trying to belittle anyone.  I&#039;m looking at the facts.

You close the school and restructure it......................no improvement
You change the administration and teachers...............no improvement
You add more funds and programs............................no improvement

The school system has tried everything except hold parents accountable for their childs behavior and performance.  There are many parents who do not check to make sure their childs homework is done every night.  There are parents who do not make appointments to go up to the school or call their childs teacher to check on the performance of their child.  There are many parents who do not participate or inquire about the PTA.  Some parents only visit their school when its parent teacher conference, their child is at risk of suspension or when their child is mistreated. My point, schools lack good parental support. 

CHILDREN NEED THEIR PARENTS....NOT TEACHERS

A teacher is with a child for atleast one year.  After that, they move to another teacher.  They have the same parent their entire life. 

PARENTS BE ADULTS. STOP BLAMING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BECAUSE WE ARE NOT TAKING CARE OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY.  REMEMBER, YOU ARE YOUR CHILDS TEACHER. 

School should be seen as a place of employment for a child....they EARN a grade they way adults EARN a paycheck.  As parents, we should not tolerate our children disrespecting us.  Therefore, we should not allow them to disrespect anyone else.  Yes, we are the protectors of our children. However, we also have to be &#039;discipliners&#039; as well.

Again, I do not mean to offend anyone with what I&#039;ve said.  I&#039;m just tired of excuses.  We are losing our children.  When are we going to get them back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so tired of people blaming teachers for low test scores.  Do any of you have any idea as to what it takes to be a teacher?  Teachers wear many hats, work ridiculous hours, and are subject to abuse from 8am to 3pm (and longer depending on how long he or she remains in the school building). The classrooms are overcrowded with children who are not on grade level. Many teachers sacrifice a personal life due to the excessive demands that are required of them.  Teaching is not a 9 to 5 job.  Many teachers work after hours in the school building or end up taking their work home with them. TEACHERS ARE NOT COMPENSATED FOR OVERTIME. </p>
<p>WAKE UP PEOPLE! The problem with the school system are the parents.  I understand parents work long hours and have bills to pay.  That should have been thought about prior to deciding to become a parent.  I&#8217;m not trying to belittle anyone.  I&#8217;m looking at the facts.</p>
<p>You close the school and restructure it&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.no improvement<br />
You change the administration and teachers&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;no improvement<br />
You add more funds and programs&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.no improvement</p>
<p>The school system has tried everything except hold parents accountable for their childs behavior and performance.  There are many parents who do not check to make sure their childs homework is done every night.  There are parents who do not make appointments to go up to the school or call their childs teacher to check on the performance of their child.  There are many parents who do not participate or inquire about the PTA.  Some parents only visit their school when its parent teacher conference, their child is at risk of suspension or when their child is mistreated. My point, schools lack good parental support. </p>
<p>CHILDREN NEED THEIR PARENTS&#8230;.NOT TEACHERS</p>
<p>A teacher is with a child for atleast one year.  After that, they move to another teacher.  They have the same parent their entire life. </p>
<p>PARENTS BE ADULTS. STOP BLAMING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BECAUSE WE ARE NOT TAKING CARE OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY.  REMEMBER, YOU ARE YOUR CHILDS TEACHER. </p>
<p>School should be seen as a place of employment for a child&#8230;.they EARN a grade they way adults EARN a paycheck.  As parents, we should not tolerate our children disrespecting us.  Therefore, we should not allow them to disrespect anyone else.  Yes, we are the protectors of our children. However, we also have to be &#8216;discipliners&#8217; as well.</p>
<p>Again, I do not mean to offend anyone with what I&#8217;ve said.  I&#8217;m just tired of excuses.  We are losing our children.  When are we going to get them back?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every teacher in those schools (on the new list) has to be shitting bricks--especially knowing that ATRs are doomed in the next contract, since the UFT grows weaker each time Bloomberg opens his mouth.  The UFT, once the richest and strongest union in the country, is now Bloomberg&#039;s whipping boy.  Pathetic and weak!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every teacher in those schools (on the new list) has to be shitting bricks&#8211;especially knowing that ATRs are doomed in the next contract, since the UFT grows weaker each time Bloomberg opens his mouth.  The UFT, once the richest and strongest union in the country, is now Bloomberg&#8217;s whipping boy.  Pathetic and weak!</p>
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		<title>By: Invictus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Invictus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That list of schools that are permanently under performing and are slated for closure/replacement in NYC gives us a glimpse of the next schools under closure/phase out targets.  

They will more segregation, overcrowding and upheaval in NYC public schools, especially those in Queens county.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That list of schools that are permanently under performing and are slated for closure/replacement in NYC gives us a glimpse of the next schools under closure/phase out targets.  </p>
<p>They will more segregation, overcrowding and upheaval in NYC public schools, especially those in Queens county.</p>
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		<title>By: Invictus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Invictus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, according to the DOE and almost the entire US society attitude towards education is that, the &quot;failing&quot; student is a fiction, that it is as mythical as the Yeti.  

While many people in the eschelons of power know that a &quot;failing school&quot; has more to do with under served populations and specific segments of society, they use the public &quot;anger&quot; at &quot;failing schools&quot; to push their agenda, to privatize and profiteer at the expense of naive tax payers who do not clearly &quot;see&quot; what is happening.  

STEPH, in an age of gutlessness of lack of integrity, no politician worth his/her &quot;hide&quot; would dare point at their constituencies to declare that &quot;they&quot; are not educating their little Einsteins and geniuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, according to the DOE and almost the entire US society attitude towards education is that, the &#8220;failing&#8221; student is a fiction, that it is as mythical as the Yeti.  </p>
<p>While many people in the eschelons of power know that a &#8220;failing school&#8221; has more to do with under served populations and specific segments of society, they use the public &#8220;anger&#8221; at &#8220;failing schools&#8221; to push their agenda, to privatize and profiteer at the expense of naive tax payers who do not clearly &#8220;see&#8221; what is happening.  </p>
<p>STEPH, in an age of gutlessness of lack of integrity, no politician worth his/her &#8220;hide&#8221; would dare point at their constituencies to declare that &#8220;they&#8221; are not educating their little Einsteins and geniuses.</p>
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		<title>By: STEPH</title>
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		<dc:creator>STEPH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHAT A JOKE! Why do schools fail? Not be cause of teachers or administrators.  The answer is simple.  Parents!  Many of the parents of students at these schools are NOT true parents.  They are biological parents and that&#039;s it!

Let&#039;s fix the system,  hold student and parent responsible!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT A JOKE! Why do schools fail? Not be cause of teachers or administrators.  The answer is simple.  Parents!  Many of the parents of students at these schools are NOT true parents.  They are biological parents and that&#8217;s it!</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s fix the system,  hold student and parent responsible!</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in one of the schools on the list. Every school around us has been closing. When a school closes near us we get some of their students. If you keep sending these &quot;failing&quot; students to other schools of course it will cause more schools to fail. Also does anyone take into account the number of ESL students that we have? ESL kids, special ed. kids and general ed. kids take the same exams and are held to the same standards. How come no one ever blames the kids or the parents that raised them? These charter schools will pick and choose who they will accept and their stats will be great as a result. I look around my building and I see a dedicated staff. Where will we all find jobs? They&#039;re just trying to break apart the union. Right now we don&#039;t have a contract and they want to do away with ATR&#039;s in the new contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in one of the schools on the list. Every school around us has been closing. When a school closes near us we get some of their students. If you keep sending these &#8220;failing&#8221; students to other schools of course it will cause more schools to fail. Also does anyone take into account the number of ESL students that we have? ESL kids, special ed. kids and general ed. kids take the same exams and are held to the same standards. How come no one ever blames the kids or the parents that raised them? These charter schools will pick and choose who they will accept and their stats will be great as a result. I look around my building and I see a dedicated staff. Where will we all find jobs? They&#8217;re just trying to break apart the union. Right now we don&#8217;t have a contract and they want to do away with ATR&#8217;s in the new contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Harlem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harlem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8 years in charge and the first thing these two incompetents do when students and schools are struggling is to close them.  They have no other plan?  After 8 years in charge? Have they learned nothing?  There are problems with our NYC school system and they&#039;re called Joel Klein and Michael Bloomberg!  How many more students need to be displaced, disenfranchized and disrespected before we put a stop to their brand of madness?  If I were a struggling student in their system, I too might drop out.  It is clear that the City of New York no longer wants the job of educating students with great needs.  The evidence is indisputable and students now know this to be a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8 years in charge and the first thing these two incompetents do when students and schools are struggling is to close them.  They have no other plan?  After 8 years in charge? Have they learned nothing?  There are problems with our NYC school system and they&#8217;re called Joel Klein and Michael Bloomberg!  How many more students need to be displaced, disenfranchized and disrespected before we put a stop to their brand of madness?  If I were a struggling student in their system, I too might drop out.  It is clear that the City of New York no longer wants the job of educating students with great needs.  The evidence is indisputable and students now know this to be a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many of these high schools received A or B?  Hw many were considered proficient by their &quot;Quality&quot; reviews?

And luckily for the staffs they have the law behind them so they can&#039;t be simply terminated without the proper hearings.  So guess what.....more for the ATR pool.  And there is no way the two incompetents, Mike and Joel, will ever get the ability to terminate those in the ATR pool if they can&#039;t find a job after a year or whatever.  If I were a teacher, and they did this to me, I would simjply smile and sit in the ATR pool until the day I am eligible to retire and sing the Dolly Parton song to them...you know the song that goes, &quot;Take this job and shove it.&quot;

It;s one big joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many of these high schools received A or B?  Hw many were considered proficient by their &#8220;Quality&#8221; reviews?</p>
<p>And luckily for the staffs they have the law behind them so they can&#8217;t be simply terminated without the proper hearings.  So guess what&#8230;..more for the ATR pool.  And there is no way the two incompetents, Mike and Joel, will ever get the ability to terminate those in the ATR pool if they can&#8217;t find a job after a year or whatever.  If I were a teacher, and they did this to me, I would simjply smile and sit in the ATR pool until the day I am eligible to retire and sing the Dolly Parton song to them&#8230;you know the song that goes, &#8220;Take this job and shove it.&#8221;</p>
<p>It;s one big joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Dropout Nation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Read: Jean Beliveau Edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dropout Nation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Read: Jean Beliveau Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in New York, the state education department has named 34 New York City schools that should either be overhauled, shut down or doe-see-doed, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in New York, the state education department has named 34 New York City schools that should either be overhauled, shut down or doe-see-doed, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Eyre</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/01/21/new-york-state-places-dozens-of-nyc-schools-on-replacement-list/comment-page-1/#comment-252498</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Eyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy crap, Diana, that article is less than 2 years old.  You must be right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap, Diana, that article is less than 2 years old.  You must be right.</p>
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		<title>By: leonie haimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>leonie haimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &quot;turnaround model&quot; can be closed and replaced by a new school?  how does that differ from the option of closing a school?  And what reforms are cited to improve schools?  SED seems as clueless here as the US Ed Dept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8220;turnaround model&#8221; can be closed and replaced by a new school?  how does that differ from the option of closing a school?  And what reforms are cited to improve schools?  SED seems as clueless here as the US Ed Dept.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Senechal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Senechal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Dewey High School? How can that be? Is that part of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/education/07education.html?_r=1&amp;scp=1&amp;sq=Lafayette%20Dewey%20Freedman&amp;st=cse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fallout from the closure of Lafayette&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Dewey High School? How can that be? Is that part of the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/education/07education.html?_r=1&amp;scp=1&amp;sq=Lafayette%20Dewey%20Freedman&amp;st=cse" rel="nofollow">fallout from the closure of Lafayette</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: huh?</title>
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		<dc:creator>huh?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what are they going to do?  Empty out the staffs of all these UNDERFUNDED and OVERCROWDED schools and create more than 5,000 additional ATR&#039;s?  Where are they going to find qualified teachers to replace these teachers?  Could it be that these schools are underperforming for reasons other than the staff?  Could it be mismanagement by the DOE?  Perhaps they should replace Joel Klein and his staff as they can&#039;t see to get things right (how many reorganizations has it been?)

Where is the UFT in all this?  Will they just say something lame to the teachers like, &quot;Don&#039;t worry, you still have jobs...&quot;

And what about these kids?  Does the state realize that teachers have very strong bonds with these students and that replacing the teachers will create chaos in their lives and in the buildings?  Look at what happened when they did that in Chicago!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what are they going to do?  Empty out the staffs of all these UNDERFUNDED and OVERCROWDED schools and create more than 5,000 additional ATR&#8217;s?  Where are they going to find qualified teachers to replace these teachers?  Could it be that these schools are underperforming for reasons other than the staff?  Could it be mismanagement by the DOE?  Perhaps they should replace Joel Klein and his staff as they can&#8217;t see to get things right (how many reorganizations has it been?)</p>
<p>Where is the UFT in all this?  Will they just say something lame to the teachers like, &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry, you still have jobs&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>And what about these kids?  Does the state realize that teachers have very strong bonds with these students and that replacing the teachers will create chaos in their lives and in the buildings?  Look at what happened when they did that in Chicago!!!</p>
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		<title>By: reality-based educator</title>
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		<dc:creator>reality-based educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The state planned to replace most of these schools with charter schools.

Fire all the teachers at those schools.

Hire the McTeachers who teach at charter schools for a couple fo years before they get burned out and move on.

Saves on salary, saves on pensions.

Does it create a better education system?

They&#039;ve been doing this in Chicago, Arne and Obushma&#039;s hometwon for a while now, and the system just gets worse and worse.

Some schools that are being closed this year have been &quot;re-engineered&quot; twice before (i.e., staff and administrations have been rreplaced.)

Yet nothing changes at the schools - they still have low test scores and low graduation rates.

The fault of the schools and the teachers in them?

Or are deeper socio-economic problems to blame?

You can keep closing schools and firing teachers and blaming the education system for all the ills of the children in these schools, but eventually, after you close a school down half a dozen times and re-open it with new teachers and staff and STILL nothing changes, maybe people will see that there is more happening here than &quot;bad schools.&quot;

Oh, and where do they plan to dump the &quot;at-risk&quot; students from the schools they are closing?  In other large high schools?  Guess what will happen to the test scores and grad rates in those schools too.

A never-ending cycle that is designed to destroy public education, destroy the teachers unions and open up all the yummy yummy public education money to for-profit private school organizations.

Heckuva job, Arne!  Heckuva job, Barack!  Heckuva job, Paterson!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The state planned to replace most of these schools with charter schools.</p>
<p>Fire all the teachers at those schools.</p>
<p>Hire the McTeachers who teach at charter schools for a couple fo years before they get burned out and move on.</p>
<p>Saves on salary, saves on pensions.</p>
<p>Does it create a better education system?</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve been doing this in Chicago, Arne and Obushma&#8217;s hometwon for a while now, and the system just gets worse and worse.</p>
<p>Some schools that are being closed this year have been &#8220;re-engineered&#8221; twice before (i.e., staff and administrations have been rreplaced.)</p>
<p>Yet nothing changes at the schools &#8211; they still have low test scores and low graduation rates.</p>
<p>The fault of the schools and the teachers in them?</p>
<p>Or are deeper socio-economic problems to blame?</p>
<p>You can keep closing schools and firing teachers and blaming the education system for all the ills of the children in these schools, but eventually, after you close a school down half a dozen times and re-open it with new teachers and staff and STILL nothing changes, maybe people will see that there is more happening here than &#8220;bad schools.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, and where do they plan to dump the &#8220;at-risk&#8221; students from the schools they are closing?  In other large high schools?  Guess what will happen to the test scores and grad rates in those schools too.</p>
<p>A never-ending cycle that is designed to destroy public education, destroy the teachers unions and open up all the yummy yummy public education money to for-profit private school organizations.</p>
<p>Heckuva job, Arne!  Heckuva job, Barack!  Heckuva job, Paterson!</p>
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		<title>By: Dee Alpert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee Alpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NYSED&#039;s list of flunking schools - just released today - includes the Roosevelt, LI district&#039;s high school ... which NYSED&#039;s own appointees have been operating since 2002.  Of course, NYSED has made its serious school improvement &quot;experts&quot; available to its hand-picked officials in this district ... the same ones it will be making available starting now.

And Tisch/Steiner announce this list with pride, noting that the wonderful process they&#039;ll be following in assisting these flunker schools is the process outlined in NYSED&#039;s RttT application.  Of course, given the rigor that Flunkin Duncan is requiring in RttT applications, there&#039;s got to be a section in the application entitled &quot;What We Did Wrong.&quot;  The problem is that Tisch/Steiner refuse to make the RttT application public, and so ... we&#039;ll never know just how incompetent they&#039;ve been.  

All this list shows is how much money NYSED and the Regents can waste.  And since these schools have been on flunker lists for years, and NYSED&#039;s extra money and services did zero good in terms of substantively improving them, NYSED will be making more money available so they can keep on doing ... the wrong thing.


Race to the Flop.

Dee Alpert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYSED&#8217;s list of flunking schools &#8211; just released today &#8211; includes the Roosevelt, LI district&#8217;s high school &#8230; which NYSED&#8217;s own appointees have been operating since 2002.  Of course, NYSED has made its serious school improvement &#8220;experts&#8221; available to its hand-picked officials in this district &#8230; the same ones it will be making available starting now.</p>
<p>And Tisch/Steiner announce this list with pride, noting that the wonderful process they&#8217;ll be following in assisting these flunker schools is the process outlined in NYSED&#8217;s RttT application.  Of course, given the rigor that Flunkin Duncan is requiring in RttT applications, there&#8217;s got to be a section in the application entitled &#8220;What We Did Wrong.&#8221;  The problem is that Tisch/Steiner refuse to make the RttT application public, and so &#8230; we&#8217;ll never know just how incompetent they&#8217;ve been.  </p>
<p>All this list shows is how much money NYSED and the Regents can waste.  And since these schools have been on flunker lists for years, and NYSED&#8217;s extra money and services did zero good in terms of substantively improving them, NYSED will be making more money available so they can keep on doing &#8230; the wrong thing.</p>
<p>Race to the Flop.</p>
<p>Dee Alpert</p>
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