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	<title>Comments on: Stanford study shows many city charters besting district schools</title>
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		<title>By: Sonja</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/01/05/stanford-study-shows-many-city-charters-besting-district-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-251830</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just returned from a trip to Sacramento's State Board of Ed to speak on an agenda item (#32) regarding a new model of special education service delivery for Charter Schools in California.  Trouble is - out of the 20 person task force, only one was a parent of a student with disabilities.  The remainder were Charter operators, School administrators and State officials or appointees.  Only one person who had the interests of children with disabilities and their parents was involved.  I met her after the vote and she said that all of the concerns I voices were hers during the course of this task force and thanked me for making a public statement.  

Of the board members present - several had "interest" in Charters (one was a director of a charter school, one was on a board for example).  They should have recused themselves from voting (I think only one did), but the others did not.  As board members are appointed, we have the Governator's Charter friendly folks making decisions without a grasp of what IDEA and FAPE are really about.  Many charters in LAUSD don't realize that they must accept special needs children so have made a conscience effort to enroll only enough to "look" compliant.  

I've collected data for several years on the type of disability and service offered by our LAUSD charters and the numbers are staggering in the Specific Learning Disability (SLD) and Speech and Language Impairment (SLI) category.  Very, very few Deaf. Autism, Vision Impaired, Mentally Retarded.  The numbers don't lie, but no one wants to look at the numbers.  No wonder Charters have better test scores...they don't have the kids that bring them down.

The California Charter School Association is the machine behind attempts to loosen all the special education laws and requirements for Charter Schools (LAUSD is under a Federal Consent Decree and the local charters want to get out from under it).  They charge $5 per student for general membership and have formed a Joint Powers Agreement to provide 'quality' special education services and then charges an additional $5 per student for a charter school to be involved with their new "service model".  They are a lobbying machine and parents of special needs children cannot compete with these people.  They've created a business that sucks public education dollars from our public schools and special education programs for the more moderate to severe kids that are not accepted in their Charter schools.  It's a mess.

I feel that the decision yesterday by the board was flawed and should be investigated because several members have obvious conflicts of interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just returned from a trip to Sacramento&#8217;s State Board of Ed to speak on an agenda item (#32) regarding a new model of special education service delivery for Charter Schools in California.  Trouble is - out of the 20 person task force, only one was a parent of a student with disabilities.  The remainder were Charter operators, School administrators and State officials or appointees.  Only one person who had the interests of children with disabilities and their parents was involved.  I met her after the vote and she said that all of the concerns I voices were hers during the course of this task force and thanked me for making a public statement.  </p>
<p>Of the board members present - several had &#8220;interest&#8221; in Charters (one was a director of a charter school, one was on a board for example).  They should have recused themselves from voting (I think only one did), but the others did not.  As board members are appointed, we have the Governator&#8217;s Charter friendly folks making decisions without a grasp of what IDEA and FAPE are really about.  Many charters in LAUSD don&#8217;t realize that they must accept special needs children so have made a conscience effort to enroll only enough to &#8220;look&#8221; compliant.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve collected data for several years on the type of disability and service offered by our LAUSD charters and the numbers are staggering in the Specific Learning Disability (SLD) and Speech and Language Impairment (SLI) category.  Very, very few Deaf. Autism, Vision Impaired, Mentally Retarded.  The numbers don&#8217;t lie, but no one wants to look at the numbers.  No wonder Charters have better test scores&#8230;they don&#8217;t have the kids that bring them down.</p>
<p>The California Charter School Association is the machine behind attempts to loosen all the special education laws and requirements for Charter Schools (LAUSD is under a Federal Consent Decree and the local charters want to get out from under it).  They charge $5 per student for general membership and have formed a Joint Powers Agreement to provide &#8216;quality&#8217; special education services and then charges an additional $5 per student for a charter school to be involved with their new &#8220;service model&#8221;.  They are a lobbying machine and parents of special needs children cannot compete with these people.  They&#8217;ve created a business that sucks public education dollars from our public schools and special education programs for the more moderate to severe kids that are not accepted in their Charter schools.  It&#8217;s a mess.</p>
<p>I feel that the decision yesterday by the board was flawed and should be investigated because several members have obvious conflicts of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Geri Krim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geri Krim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know anything about the reading programs mentioned, but wouldn't it be sick if the DOE selected Wilson over the other one and had little or no reading teachers in schools as a master plan to get more charter schools in the city and bust the UFT?  Why don't more people know that charter schools don't take many ELL and Special Ed. students?  Do the even take many Level 1 students?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know anything about the reading programs mentioned, but wouldn&#8217;t it be sick if the DOE selected Wilson over the other one and had little or no reading teachers in schools as a master plan to get more charter schools in the city and bust the UFT?  Why don&#8217;t more people know that charter schools don&#8217;t take many ELL and Special Ed. students?  Do the even take many Level 1 students?</p>
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		<title>By: Dee Alpert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee Alpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kitchen Sink - I'd love to know which charters were using some Orton-based methodology.  It would explain their reading success.  Unfortunately, if they've used the Wilson Method, with the "custom" Wilson training the NYCDOE had worked up for it, they're getting very minimal results since that training was, to be blunt, incredibly substandard.  However, Lindamood, which is one of the Orton-based programs, has been shown to be highly effective, including for kids who don't speak English as their home language and for kids w/disabilities, groups which charters aren't showing great results for.  I'm guessing they're not using Lindamood.

On another note, the NYCDOE has steadfastly refused to release evaluations and any data re the impact, if any, of their "custom" Wilson program.  Knowing the NYCDOE, which is data-rich and actual knowledge-poor, if they're not releasing the Wilson data it's because it's very bad.  All I know is one teaching fellow I spoke with, who had been made into a special ed. teacher and given the NYCDOE's Wilson training.  She happens to be an extremely intelligent and perceptive - and caring - woman, btw.  I asked her what she thought of the NYCDOE's Wilson training and her response was both immediate and succinct:  "absolutely useless."  Perhaps charters have found a better way to use this training, if that's what they've received?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kitchen Sink - I&#8217;d love to know which charters were using some Orton-based methodology.  It would explain their reading success.  Unfortunately, if they&#8217;ve used the Wilson Method, with the &#8220;custom&#8221; Wilson training the NYCDOE had worked up for it, they&#8217;re getting very minimal results since that training was, to be blunt, incredibly substandard.  However, Lindamood, which is one of the Orton-based programs, has been shown to be highly effective, including for kids who don&#8217;t speak English as their home language and for kids w/disabilities, groups which charters aren&#8217;t showing great results for.  I&#8217;m guessing they&#8217;re not using Lindamood.</p>
<p>On another note, the NYCDOE has steadfastly refused to release evaluations and any data re the impact, if any, of their &#8220;custom&#8221; Wilson program.  Knowing the NYCDOE, which is data-rich and actual knowledge-poor, if they&#8217;re not releasing the Wilson data it&#8217;s because it&#8217;s very bad.  All I know is one teaching fellow I spoke with, who had been made into a special ed. teacher and given the NYCDOE&#8217;s Wilson training.  She happens to be an extremely intelligent and perceptive - and caring - woman, btw.  I asked her what she thought of the NYCDOE&#8217;s Wilson training and her response was both immediate and succinct:  &#8220;absolutely useless.&#8221;  Perhaps charters have found a better way to use this training, if that&#8217;s what they&#8217;ve received?</p>
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		<title>By: norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"That’s one of the advantages of being a charter - you just don’t have to pay attention to the swaying winds of fashion when it comes to curriculum. You can do what works."

The second funniest thing I read today. Klein freed school from bureaucratic control didn't he? So I see no difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s one of the advantages of being a charter - you just don’t have to pay attention to the swaying winds of fashion when it comes to curriculum. You can do what works.&#8221;</p>
<p>The second funniest thing I read today. Klein freed school from bureaucratic control didn&#8217;t he? So I see no difference.</p>
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		<title>By: KitchenSink</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/01/05/stanford-study-shows-many-city-charters-besting-district-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-251741</link>
		<dc:creator>KitchenSink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pogue, the average score looks like it's significantly different.

Dee, correct me if I'm wrong but Lindamood Bell falls under the Orton-Gillingham umbrella.  I believe a great deal of the charters are using Orton-Gillingham programs for all of their students in early childhood, explaining some of the success on state assessments.

Charters are free to adopt their own curricula, and build them over time, and direct training resources where they will be most effective: the type of ongoing support you describe, rather than the one-off nonsense promulgated in the past by districts.  That's one of the advantages of being a charter - you just don't have to pay attention to the swaying winds of fashion when it comes to curriculum.  You can do what works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pogue, the average score looks like it&#8217;s significantly different.</p>
<p>Dee, correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but Lindamood Bell falls under the Orton-Gillingham umbrella.  I believe a great deal of the charters are using Orton-Gillingham programs for all of their students in early childhood, explaining some of the success on state assessments.</p>
<p>Charters are free to adopt their own curricula, and build them over time, and direct training resources where they will be most effective: the type of ongoing support you describe, rather than the one-off nonsense promulgated in the past by districts.  That&#8217;s one of the advantages of being a charter - you just don&#8217;t have to pay attention to the swaying winds of fashion when it comes to curriculum.  You can do what works.</p>
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		<title>By: Pogue</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/01/05/stanford-study-shows-many-city-charters-besting-district-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-251734</link>
		<dc:creator>Pogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, if 51% were better on math scores and 49% were no different or worse, and, in reading 29% were better, while 71% were no better or worse, do we really want to throw the word "besting" around so easily?  If so, I believe the New York Giants and the New York Mets had besting seasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, if 51% were better on math scores and 49% were no different or worse, and, in reading 29% were better, while 71% were no better or worse, do we really want to throw the word &#8220;besting&#8221; around so easily?  If so, I believe the New York Giants and the New York Mets had besting seasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Why so Many Traders Fail at Forex &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why so Many Traders Fail at Forex &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stanford study shows many city charters besting district schools &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dee Alpert</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2010/01/05/stanford-study-shows-many-city-charters-besting-district-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-251731</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee Alpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 07:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If students with disabilities and students who are ELLs do no better in charter schools than they do in regular district schools, maybe it means that the education industry in general is just unequipped to effectively teach these students.  They're a large and ever-growing proportion of all school children, so the answer to this problem really matters.

How many graduate schools of education thoroughly train any of their students in even one research-validated program of reading instruction - that is, validated as effective for kids with disabilities?  So far, I've been able to find exactly one, and I've been looking for nearly 20 years.  When it comes to ELLs, same old-same old.

The Pueblo 60 Colorado district implemented an interesting project some years ago.  It adopted Lindamood Bell as the primary reading instruction program for all students, not just for kids with disabilities.  LB is validated as highly effective for kids with professionally-diagnosed reading disabilities such as dyslexia, and to a lesser extent, for kids whom schools generally "classify" as learning disabled.  The LB folks had to do a lot of training and lots more supervision in Pueblo - no one day specials.  It worked for all NCLB sub-groups.  Pueblo 60 described itself as a large urban district with many kids who were black, Hispanic, poor, ELL, etc.

How many American graduate schools of education thoroughly train their students - any of them - in Lindamood Bell?  So far, I haven't been able to find even one.  If any of you know of one, I'd be delighted to hear of it.  The problems I hear about re Lindamood are that it's hard to learn, very structured, counter-intuitive and not fun for teachers to do.  I would hope this wasn't another set of reasons why it hasn't been adopted more widely, but ... who knows?  I do know that the NYC DOE often "evaluates" programs it adopts by determining how happy teachers feel about using them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If students with disabilities and students who are ELLs do no better in charter schools than they do in regular district schools, maybe it means that the education industry in general is just unequipped to effectively teach these students.  They&#8217;re a large and ever-growing proportion of all school children, so the answer to this problem really matters.</p>
<p>How many graduate schools of education thoroughly train any of their students in even one research-validated program of reading instruction - that is, validated as effective for kids with disabilities?  So far, I&#8217;ve been able to find exactly one, and I&#8217;ve been looking for nearly 20 years.  When it comes to ELLs, same old-same old.</p>
<p>The Pueblo 60 Colorado district implemented an interesting project some years ago.  It adopted Lindamood Bell as the primary reading instruction program for all students, not just for kids with disabilities.  LB is validated as highly effective for kids with professionally-diagnosed reading disabilities such as dyslexia, and to a lesser extent, for kids whom schools generally &#8220;classify&#8221; as learning disabled.  The LB folks had to do a lot of training and lots more supervision in Pueblo - no one day specials.  It worked for all NCLB sub-groups.  Pueblo 60 described itself as a large urban district with many kids who were black, Hispanic, poor, ELL, etc.</p>
<p>How many American graduate schools of education thoroughly train their students - any of them - in Lindamood Bell?  So far, I haven&#8217;t been able to find even one.  If any of you know of one, I&#8217;d be delighted to hear of it.  The problems I hear about re Lindamood are that it&#8217;s hard to learn, very structured, counter-intuitive and not fun for teachers to do.  I would hope this wasn&#8217;t another set of reasons why it hasn&#8217;t been adopted more widely, but &#8230; who knows?  I do know that the NYC DOE often &#8220;evaluates&#8221; programs it adopts by determining how happy teachers feel about using them.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per the "Summary of Findings":

"With the students they have enrolled..."

Yessiree, right there at the top of page 14 of 14, le grande disclaimerdre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per the &#8220;Summary of Findings&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;With the students they have enrolled&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Yessiree, right there at the top of page 14 of 14, le grande disclaimerdre.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this group (CREDO) has strong ties to the charter movement, check  what the local media (San Francisco) had to say about this topic.......











































http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-356-SF-Education-Examiner~y2010m1d2-Mysterious-procharter-study-supposedly-to-be-announced-Jan-5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this group (CREDO) has strong ties to the charter movement, check  what the local media (San Francisco) had to say about this topic&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-356-SF-Education-Examiner~y2010m1d2-Mysterious-procharter-study-supposedly-to-be-announced-Jan-5" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-356-SF-Education-Examiner~y2010m1d2-Mysterious-procharter-study-supposedly-to-be-announced-Jan-5</a></p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pogue,
























































CREDO has strong connections to the charter movement. check this article out from the local media in San Fran. for more info......this article tells you everything one needs to know about this group and their affiliations..





















http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-356-SF-Education-Examiner~y2010m1d2-Mysterious-procharter-study-supposedly-to-be-announced-Jan-5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pogue,</p>
<p>CREDO has strong connections to the charter movement. check this article out from the local media in San Fran. for more info&#8230;&#8230;this article tells you everything one needs to know about this group and their affiliations..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-356-SF-Education-Examiner~y2010m1d2-Mysterious-procharter-study-supposedly-to-be-announced-Jan-5" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-356-SF-Education-Examiner~y2010m1d2-Mysterious-procharter-study-supposedly-to-be-announced-Jan-5</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the Center for Research on Education Outcomes (CREDO),have any connections or affiliations to the charter school movement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the Center for Research on Education Outcomes (CREDO),have any connections or affiliations to the charter school movement?</p>
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