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	<title>Comments on: Board of Regents urges state legislature to lift charter cap</title>
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		<title>By: Charter fishing is not as expensive as the fishermen Believe Peacock Bass Fishing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charter fishing is not as expensive as the fishermen Believe Peacock Bass Fishing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Board of Regents urges state legislature to lift charter cap &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have perused charter school advertisements, what I have not found is a simple statement, &quot;Special Education and English Language Learners are encouraged to apply.&quot;


Perhaps the charter school lotteries should be conducted by the school district similar to the process used to assign children to high schools in NYC.


Producing a catalog of all charter schools, with descriptions, and an application form would relieve schools of the burden of recruiting and assure a fair distribution of students, including the assignment of all children, regardless of disability of language issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have perused charter school advertisements, what I have not found is a simple statement, &#8220;Special Education and English Language Learners are encouraged to apply.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps the charter school lotteries should be conducted by the school district similar to the process used to assign children to high schools in NYC.</p>
<p>Producing a catalog of all charter schools, with descriptions, and an application form would relieve schools of the burden of recruiting and assure a fair distribution of students, including the assignment of all children, regardless of disability of language issues.</p>
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		<title>By: dirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>dirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being involved with the so called &quot;charter movement&quot; I applaud the need for more accountability for individual charters around serving SpEd and ELs, and I actually would like to see more accountability, but the means of getting there is wrongheaded.  There are many reasons that individual charters underrepresent some special populations, some benign and unintentional, some insidious, with various degrees of culpability.  

















And the fact of the lottery makes it such that individula schools cannot determine ahead of time who they will get, though they can certainly increase odds through thoughtful outreach and responosive program.  One school I work with has an explicit special ed inclusion model an markets iself as such, and had mid 20% SPED in the initial year, and presumably as the good reputation spreads this years kindergarten class (as admitted by lottery) had a significantly lower percentage.  There are a range of legal issues around settings that are offered in charters and IEP requirements, and the ability to serve all manner of students in often very small schools. I think a better way to handle this is to 1. employ testers who detect dscriminatory policies or practices at schools that underrepresent special populations, 2. look at CMOs with multiple schools, and when they reach a certain threshold (maybe 1,000 students) then they should reach comparable levels of enrollment or be able to offer an extremely convincing rebuttal for lower numbers (we have a great rate of decertifying SpEd kids as they no longer need services, etc.) 3. The needs of students served need to play into accountability mechanisms explicitly in a way it currently does not-- so even a school with a 100% proficiency would feel the heat if it was in a heavily EL neighborhood and significantly underrepresented same with SpEd.  Folks should be concerned about the underrepresentation of special populations in charters, but the proposal is not a vialbe answer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being involved with the so called &#8220;charter movement&#8221; I applaud the need for more accountability for individual charters around serving SpEd and ELs, and I actually would like to see more accountability, but the means of getting there is wrongheaded.  There are many reasons that individual charters underrepresent some special populations, some benign and unintentional, some insidious, with various degrees of culpability.  </p>
<p>And the fact of the lottery makes it such that individula schools cannot determine ahead of time who they will get, though they can certainly increase odds through thoughtful outreach and responosive program.  One school I work with has an explicit special ed inclusion model an markets iself as such, and had mid 20% SPED in the initial year, and presumably as the good reputation spreads this years kindergarten class (as admitted by lottery) had a significantly lower percentage.  There are a range of legal issues around settings that are offered in charters and IEP requirements, and the ability to serve all manner of students in often very small schools. I think a better way to handle this is to 1. employ testers who detect dscriminatory policies or practices at schools that underrepresent special populations, 2. look at CMOs with multiple schools, and when they reach a certain threshold (maybe 1,000 students) then they should reach comparable levels of enrollment or be able to offer an extremely convincing rebuttal for lower numbers (we have a great rate of decertifying SpEd kids as they no longer need services, etc.) 3. The needs of students served need to play into accountability mechanisms explicitly in a way it currently does not&#8211; so even a school with a 100% proficiency would feel the heat if it was in a heavily EL neighborhood and significantly underrepresented same with SpEd.  Folks should be concerned about the underrepresentation of special populations in charters, but the proposal is not a vialbe answer</p>
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		<title>By: Ritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another reason this is unworkable. My experience has been that most elementary schools have higher rates of ELLs than middle and high schools, because most ELLs gain English proficiency by the time they reach middle school. As this is written it would appear that charter middle and high schools would have to enroll similar numbers of ELLs as the school district (K-12). I don&#039;t think there is any way that those schools could find that many ELLs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another reason this is unworkable. My experience has been that most elementary schools have higher rates of ELLs than middle and high schools, because most ELLs gain English proficiency by the time they reach middle school. As this is written it would appear that charter middle and high schools would have to enroll similar numbers of ELLs as the school district (K-12). I don&#8217;t think there is any way that those schools could find that many ELLs.</p>
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		<title>By: Board of Regents urges state legislature to lift charter cap &#171; Race to the Top</title>
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		<dc:creator>Board of Regents urges state legislature to lift charter cap &#171; Race to the Top</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 12/14/2009, Gotham Schools, New York  http://gothamschools.org/2009/12/14/regents-urge-legislature-to-double-number-of-charters/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 12/14/2009, Gotham Schools, New York  <a href="http://gothamschools.org/2009/12/14/regents-urge-legislature-to-double-number-of-charters/" rel="nofollow">http://gothamschools.org/2009/12/14/regents-urge-legislature-to-double-number-of-charters/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like this law might have the unintended consequence of encouraging charter schools to label students as special ed or ELL when they might be able to effectively serve these students without doing so.   Moreover, there is a range of needs captured under the label of special education: two districts with the same special education rate might actually have very different populations, e.g., those who need extended time for testing versus those who need additional teaching support within the classroom.  So forcing a charter school to match a district rate does not really address the needs of students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like this law might have the unintended consequence of encouraging charter schools to label students as special ed or ELL when they might be able to effectively serve these students without doing so.   Moreover, there is a range of needs captured under the label of special education: two districts with the same special education rate might actually have very different populations, e.g., those who need extended time for testing versus those who need additional teaching support within the classroom.  So forcing a charter school to match a district rate does not really address the needs of students.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This legislation, though well-intentioned, is unworkable.  Charter schools are public schools of choice.  The state would have to order parents to enroll their children with disabities or LEP needs to put them there - something completely unrealistic.  Current charter school law, amended in 2007, requires schools to make &quot;good faith efforts to attract and retain&quot; such students.  It is the job of the state Education Department and SUNY Charter Schools Institute to enforce this law and take action on those schools that are not carrying out this provision.  Legislative proposals to provide additional means for charter schools to serve these populations include authorizing charter schools to locate at more than one site to blend small-school settings with economies of scale to provide more special education and LEP services - a provision endorsed by the Regents today and proposed by Senate President, Sen. Malcolm Smith (S.6266).  Finally, it should be noted that several charter schools have sought an &quot;at-risk&quot; enrollment preference defined as students with LEP needs or who are special education students, but the state Education Department as refused to allow this preference based on its interpretation of federal disabilities law on encouraging least restrictive environment settings.  SED must rethink this opposition, and allow charters to utilized this state statutory at-risk admission preference, and approve more charters to do so.  Time for a &quot;thoughtful&quot; discussion on this important topic, to coin a phrase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This legislation, though well-intentioned, is unworkable.  Charter schools are public schools of choice.  The state would have to order parents to enroll their children with disabities or LEP needs to put them there &#8211; something completely unrealistic.  Current charter school law, amended in 2007, requires schools to make &#8220;good faith efforts to attract and retain&#8221; such students.  It is the job of the state Education Department and SUNY Charter Schools Institute to enforce this law and take action on those schools that are not carrying out this provision.  Legislative proposals to provide additional means for charter schools to serve these populations include authorizing charter schools to locate at more than one site to blend small-school settings with economies of scale to provide more special education and LEP services &#8211; a provision endorsed by the Regents today and proposed by Senate President, Sen. Malcolm Smith (S.6266).  Finally, it should be noted that several charter schools have sought an &#8220;at-risk&#8221; enrollment preference defined as students with LEP needs or who are special education students, but the state Education Department as refused to allow this preference based on its interpretation of federal disabilities law on encouraging least restrictive environment settings.  SED must rethink this opposition, and allow charters to utilized this state statutory at-risk admission preference, and approve more charters to do so.  Time for a &#8220;thoughtful&#8221; discussion on this important topic, to coin a phrase.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following bill is pending in the Assembly, introduced by Assemblyman Maisel and many co-sponsors,


A07981 Memo:
BILL NUMBER:A7981

TITLE  OF  BILL:    An  act  to  amend the education law, in relation to
requiring charter schools  to  enroll  children  with  disabilities  and
English  language  learners  in  comparable numbers to those enrolled in
public schools

PURPOSE OR GENERAL IDEA OF BILL: This bill  will  make  charter  schools
enroll disabled children and English language learners in numbers compa-
rable to the school district which they serve.

SUMMARY  OF  SPECIFIC PROVISIONS:Paragraph a of subdivision 2 of section
2854 of the education law, as amended by section 5 of part 0-2 of  chap-
ter  57  of  the laws of 2007, is amended to read that &quot;a charter school
must enroll the same or a greater percentage of students with  disabili-
ties  and  limited  English  proficient  students  when  compared to the
enrollment figures for such students in the school district in which the
charter school is located. Failure to comply for two  consecutive  years
shall be deemed grounds for revocation of the charter&quot;.

JUSTIFICATION:Charter  schools  are  often  given the &quot;average cost&quot; per
student from a school district. This &quot;average cost&quot;  includes  not  only
students  with  average  needs, but also those with special needs. These
students, such as disabled students or those requiring special  help  to
learn English as a second language cost more than ordinary students. For
this  reason,  it  is  often  a disincentive for charter schools to work
toward  providing  a  comfortable  environment  for  students  requiring
special help. Charter schools must be required to expend the same number
of  their  resources in order to help with students that require special
help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following bill is pending in the Assembly, introduced by Assemblyman Maisel and many co-sponsors,</p>
<p>A07981 Memo:<br />
BILL NUMBER:A7981</p>
<p>TITLE  OF  BILL:    An  act  to  amend the education law, in relation to<br />
requiring charter schools  to  enroll  children  with  disabilities  and<br />
English  language  learners  in  comparable numbers to those enrolled in<br />
public schools</p>
<p>PURPOSE OR GENERAL IDEA OF BILL: This bill  will  make  charter  schools<br />
enroll disabled children and English language learners in numbers compa-<br />
rable to the school district which they serve.</p>
<p>SUMMARY  OF  SPECIFIC PROVISIONS:Paragraph a of subdivision 2 of section<br />
2854 of the education law, as amended by section 5 of part 0-2 of  chap-<br />
ter  57  of  the laws of 2007, is amended to read that &#8220;a charter school<br />
must enroll the same or a greater percentage of students with  disabili-<br />
ties  and  limited  English  proficient  students  when  compared to the<br />
enrollment figures for such students in the school district in which the<br />
charter school is located. Failure to comply for two  consecutive  years<br />
shall be deemed grounds for revocation of the charter&#8221;.</p>
<p>JUSTIFICATION:Charter  schools  are  often  given the &#8220;average cost&#8221; per<br />
student from a school district. This &#8220;average cost&#8221;  includes  not  only<br />
students  with  average  needs, but also those with special needs. These<br />
students, such as disabled students or those requiring special  help  to<br />
learn English as a second language cost more than ordinary students. For<br />
this  reason,  it  is  often  a disincentive for charter schools to work<br />
toward  providing  a  comfortable  environment  for  students  requiring<br />
special help. Charter schools must be required to expend the same number<br />
of  their  resources in order to help with students that require special<br />
help.</p>
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