Comments on: Bloomberg: Regents’ proposals “an important first step” http://gothamschools.org/2009/12/14/bloomberg-regents-proposals-an-important-first-step/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:33:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Michael M. http://gothamschools.org/2009/12/14/bloomberg-regents-proposals-an-important-first-step/comment-page-1/#comment-249793 Michael M. Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:12:28 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=29290#comment-249793 T3, Your argument may or may not be true with respect to charters' success at bringing ELL and SpecEd students into mainstream GenEd. But it kicks in LATER than most criticisms of charters with respect to ELL and SpecEd students. To wit: lotteries notwithstanding, charters don't take IN their fair share. And if THAT is true, it may also be true, getting back to your argument, that charters are not mainstreaming the most (for lack of the correct term) "notable" ELL and SpecEd students to begin with. T3,

Your argument may or may not be true with respect to charters’ success at bringing ELL and SpecEd students into mainstream GenEd.

But it kicks in LATER than most criticisms of charters with respect to ELL and SpecEd students. To wit: lotteries notwithstanding, charters don’t take IN their fair share.

And if THAT is true, it may also be true, getting back to your argument, that charters are not mainstreaming the most (for lack of the correct term) “notable” ELL and SpecEd students to begin with.

]]> By: I noticed that... http://gothamschools.org/2009/12/14/bloomberg-regents-proposals-an-important-first-step/comment-page-1/#comment-249792 I noticed that... Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:01:17 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=29290#comment-249792 T3, Your statement does not back up the findings that was published by Diane Ravitch regarding the scores of the public schools compared to the charters. Please note that the public schools have the largest population of special needs children in the nation, and there are many great programs in the PS that attend to those with altism. I am leary of the following statement you made: "they aren’t over identified and even Test out of ELL and SPED far faster in high performing charters." How can any a charter over identify students and test out ELLs and SPEDs? Please explain because your statement is unclear and questionable, too. T3, Your statement does not back up the findings that was published by Diane Ravitch regarding the scores of the public schools compared to the charters. Please note that the public schools have the largest population of special needs children in the nation, and there are many great programs in the PS that attend to those with altism.

I am leary of the following statement you made: “they aren’t over identified and even Test out of ELL and SPED far faster in high performing charters.” How can any a charter over identify students and test out ELLs and SPEDs? Please explain because your statement is unclear and questionable, too.

]]> By: triple 3 http://gothamschools.org/2009/12/14/bloomberg-regents-proposals-an-important-first-step/comment-page-1/#comment-249788 triple 3 Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:37:04 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=29290#comment-249788 Charters serve more low-income and black students and moreover, the reason there are fewer ELL's and SPED students is because they aren't over identified and even Test out of ELL and SPED far faster in high performing charters. Some charters serve disproportionately MORE sped kids, if not for the Autism Charter, those kids would be failing in traditional schools... The cap lift would only replicated proven models of charters that in NYC are knocking the cover off the ball. You're right that the national data is mixed but in NYC, we need to expand more great charters to the thousands of low-income parents currently on waitinglists. Charters serve more low-income and black students and moreover, the reason there are fewer ELL’s and SPED students is because they aren’t over identified and even Test out of ELL and SPED far faster in high performing charters. Some charters serve disproportionately MORE sped kids, if not for the Autism Charter, those kids would be failing in traditional schools… The cap lift would only replicated proven models of charters that in NYC are knocking the cover off the ball. You’re right that the national data is mixed but in NYC, we need to expand more great charters to the thousands of low-income parents currently on waitinglists.

]]> By: I noticed that... http://gothamschools.org/2009/12/14/bloomberg-regents-proposals-an-important-first-step/comment-page-1/#comment-249769 I noticed that... Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:37:09 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=29290#comment-249769 If charter schools are not outperforming public schools as per the NAEP and there's a disproportionate number of ELLs and special needs in the charter schools compared to the public schools, wouldn't the raising on the cap of charter schools only disenfranchise many more at-risk students? Where would these students go if charter schools only allow a very small percentage into their schools and the public schools are being phased out? Somewhere along the line the short end of the stick will always go to the neediest of all students - the ELLs and the special need students. If charter schools are not outperforming public schools as per the NAEP and there’s a disproportionate number of ELLs and special needs in the charter schools compared to the public schools, wouldn’t the raising on the cap of charter schools only disenfranchise many more at-risk students? Where would these students go if charter schools only allow a very small percentage into their schools and the public schools are being phased out? Somewhere along the line the short end of the stick will always go to the neediest of all students – the ELLs and the special need students.

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