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	<title>Comments on: Chef Boyardee Meets PEP</title>
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		<title>By: F. Hernandez</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-249596</link>
		<dc:creator>F. Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the taste HAS changed!! wats up with that? it tastes horrible now. Im a parent and been eating Chef Boyardee all my life and just a few weeks ago the ones i bought had the same taste but the ones i bought yesterday from the store taste very different. Smells the same but when you taste it, whole other story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the taste HAS changed!! wats up with that? it tastes horrible now. Im a parent and been eating Chef Boyardee all my life and just a few weeks ago the ones i bought had the same taste but the ones i bought yesterday from the store taste very different. Smells the same but when you taste it, whole other story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jia</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-248596</link>
		<dc:creator>Jia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We traded in better ravioli for overcrowded classrooms at Lewis? If we reduced overcrowding at Lewis, more learning would get done. It&#039;s not fair to have teachers teach in half-classrooms and shout over the teacher at the other side of the half-classroom to be heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We traded in better ravioli for overcrowded classrooms at Lewis? If we reduced overcrowding at Lewis, more learning would get done. It&#8217;s not fair to have teachers teach in half-classrooms and shout over the teacher at the other side of the half-classroom to be heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Goldstein</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-240252</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe your kids&#039; sense of taste is maturing.  I&#039;m ashamed to admit that I ate the school ravioli a few months ago and it tasted just like the Chef Boyardee stuff I used to eat when I was a kid.  It wasn&#039;t exactly good or anything, though, so I think your kids are on the right track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe your kids&#8217; sense of taste is maturing.  I&#8217;m ashamed to admit that I ate the school ravioli a few months ago and it tasted just like the Chef Boyardee stuff I used to eat when I was a kid.  It wasn&#8217;t exactly good or anything, though, so I think your kids are on the right track.</p>
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		<title>By: Teena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when my kids use to fight
Over the ravioli . Now, the ravioli just
Sit there. I asked them what their
Problem is ...and their response,
It don&#039;t taste the same. Has the recipe
Changed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when my kids use to fight<br />
Over the ravioli . Now, the ravioli just<br />
Sit there. I asked them what their<br />
Problem is &#8230;and their response,<br />
It don&#8217;t taste the same. Has the recipe<br />
Changed?</p>
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		<title>By: david m. quintana</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-238850</link>
		<dc:creator>david m. quintana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great piece, Arthur...Only one problem, after reading it I was hungry..lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great piece, Arthur&#8230;Only one problem, after reading it I was hungry..lol</p>
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		<title>By: Deven Black</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-238698</link>
		<dc:creator>Deven Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Let them eat pasta,&quot; says King Klein. Marie Antoinette lost her head, Klein has just lost his mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let them eat pasta,&#8221; says King Klein. Marie Antoinette lost her head, Klein has just lost his mind.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Evans</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-238268</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just sad.  So much for trusting in the judgment of our non-education education leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just sad.  So much for trusting in the judgment of our non-education education leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Schoolgal</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-238244</link>
		<dc:creator>Schoolgal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who study organizations have a word for things like Panel for Educational Policy.  It&#039;s called Theatre of the Absurd because it supposed to make it seem like the organization is listening to the public, when in reality it&#039;s nothing but a sham.   When the UFT puts together those &quot;special contract committees&quot; it is meant to instill in it&#039;s members a false security--that we are being listened to and appropriate action will be taken.  

The responses to the overcrowding were truly absurd.  But no matter what question was asked---problems with servicing special ed kids; children in need of psychological counseling, lateness, poor attendance, unrealistic goals, the answers would have still been a slap in the face and pasta would still be a major issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who study organizations have a word for things like Panel for Educational Policy.  It&#8217;s called Theatre of the Absurd because it supposed to make it seem like the organization is listening to the public, when in reality it&#8217;s nothing but a sham.   When the UFT puts together those &#8220;special contract committees&#8221; it is meant to instill in it&#8217;s members a false security&#8211;that we are being listened to and appropriate action will be taken.  </p>
<p>The responses to the overcrowding were truly absurd.  But no matter what question was asked&#8212;problems with servicing special ed kids; children in need of psychological counseling, lateness, poor attendance, unrealistic goals, the answers would have still been a slap in the face and pasta would still be a major issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Goldstein</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-238168</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick,

That&#039;s a great point.  And the disparity between how charters and neighborhood schools are treated grows larger and more outrageous on a daily basis.  This administration seems to display a consistent indifference to the fate of neighborhood schools, be they struggling, improving or excellent.   

Personally, I can&#039;t think of anything that adds value to a neighborhood more than a great public school.  And despite the PEP&#039;s apparent priorities, you rarely hear about people moving to be closer to the neighborhood pizzeria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great point.  And the disparity between how charters and neighborhood schools are treated grows larger and more outrageous on a daily basis.  This administration seems to display a consistent indifference to the fate of neighborhood schools, be they struggling, improving or excellent.   </p>
<p>Personally, I can&#8217;t think of anything that adds value to a neighborhood more than a great public school.  And despite the PEP&#8217;s apparent priorities, you rarely hear about people moving to be closer to the neighborhood pizzeria.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hancock</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-238058</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael M,
You cracked me up with your reactions from our fellow commentators. If you would have made a mix and match game with the names and the quotes I would have dome pretty well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael M,<br />
You cracked me up with your reactions from our fellow commentators. If you would have made a mix and match game with the names and the quotes I would have dome pretty well.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonie Haimson</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-237910</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonie Haimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick: Klein said that all the Manhattan public schools that have 28 in Kindergarten instead of 25 this year are because parents want their kids to go to those schools so they have to oblige them and 2) the schools can always add extra shifts?  

But there are no shifts in elementary schools, and these kids are attending their zoned schools -- it has nothing to do with parental choice. This makes no sense.  Which does not differentiate these statements from anything else he says, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick: Klein said that all the Manhattan public schools that have 28 in Kindergarten instead of 25 this year are because parents want their kids to go to those schools so they have to oblige them and 2) the schools can always add extra shifts?  </p>
<p>But there are no shifts in elementary schools, and these kids are attending their zoned schools &#8212; it has nothing to do with parental choice. This makes no sense.  Which does not differentiate these statements from anything else he says, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick J. Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-237880</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick J. Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arthur,

It think it is worth noting that when I asked Chancellor Klein and Deputy Chancellor Nadelstern how many more kids they stuffed into Francis Lewis, Stuyvesant and all the Manhattan public schools that have 28 in Kindergarten instead of 25 this year they would not respond except to say that 1) parents want their kids to go to those schools so they have to oblige them and 2) the schools can always add extra shifts.  

I suspect that if charter schools were forced to take kids to the point where their class sizes and building utilizations matched those of popular public schools there wouldn&#039;t be any waiting lists.   But &quot;accountability&quot; is only for teachers and students.   So the Bloomberg administration can overcrowd public schools to point where they fail while carefully sheltering the charters.

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arthur,</p>
<p>It think it is worth noting that when I asked Chancellor Klein and Deputy Chancellor Nadelstern how many more kids they stuffed into Francis Lewis, Stuyvesant and all the Manhattan public schools that have 28 in Kindergarten instead of 25 this year they would not respond except to say that 1) parents want their kids to go to those schools so they have to oblige them and 2) the schools can always add extra shifts.  </p>
<p>I suspect that if charter schools were forced to take kids to the point where their class sizes and building utilizations matched those of popular public schools there wouldn&#8217;t be any waiting lists.   But &#8220;accountability&#8221; is only for teachers and students.   So the Bloomberg administration can overcrowd public schools to point where they fail while carefully sheltering the charters.</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Goldstein</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-237863</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Great video.  Were those the good old days or does that food look even worse than what we see advertised today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Great video.  Were those the good old days or does that food look even worse than what we see advertised today?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-237860</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chef Ettore Boiardi:  &quot;Oh really? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSFIdYcClrs &quot;

http://ech.case.edu/ech-cgi/article.pl?id=BH10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chef Ettore Boiardi:  &#8220;Oh really? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSFIdYcClrs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSFIdYcClrs</a> &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://ech.case.edu/ech-cgi/article.pl?id=BH10" rel="nofollow">http://ech.case.edu/ech-cgi/article.pl?id=BH10</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-237859</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Alda: &quot;Is Joel Klein as much a connoisseur of ravioli as pizza?&quot;

Queens Parent:  &quot;No one cared about stupid ravioli when it was good enough for White Plains.&quot;

Kitchen Sink:  &quot;I too am interested in quality ravioli, but those of you arguing about it aren&#039;t putting kids first.&quot;

Ken:  &quot;I consider myself a ravioli-lanthropist.&quot;

Alexander Hoffman:  &quot;IS there such a thing as a standard for ravioli?&quot;

Aaron Pallas:  &quot;What&#039;s singular for ravioli?  Raviolum?&quot;

Thomas Carroll:  &quot;Taxpayers are best served by charters that serve ravioli.&quot;

Michael McCurdy:  &quot;Do kids who eat ravioli do better on the G&amp;T admissions test?&quot;

ceolaf:  &quot;I&#039;m working on a longer reply.&quot;

Michael Markowitz:  &quot;Will Padma Lakshmi be hosting the next PEP meeting?&quot;

Mayor Mike:  &quot;Anyone who doesn&#039;t love Chef Boyardee is a non-parent activist who just wants to see a return to the Soviet Union.  Or one of my appointees looking to get replaced.&quot;

David Cantor:  &quot;Nothing you read here is true.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Alda: &#8220;Is Joel Klein as much a connoisseur of ravioli as pizza?&#8221;</p>
<p>Queens Parent:  &#8220;No one cared about stupid ravioli when it was good enough for White Plains.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kitchen Sink:  &#8220;I too am interested in quality ravioli, but those of you arguing about it aren&#8217;t putting kids first.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ken:  &#8220;I consider myself a ravioli-lanthropist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Alexander Hoffman:  &#8220;IS there such a thing as a standard for ravioli?&#8221;</p>
<p>Aaron Pallas:  &#8220;What&#8217;s singular for ravioli?  Raviolum?&#8221;</p>
<p>Thomas Carroll:  &#8220;Taxpayers are best served by charters that serve ravioli.&#8221;</p>
<p>Michael McCurdy:  &#8220;Do kids who eat ravioli do better on the G&amp;T admissions test?&#8221;</p>
<p>ceolaf:  &#8220;I&#8217;m working on a longer reply.&#8221;</p>
<p>Michael Markowitz:  &#8220;Will Padma Lakshmi be hosting the next PEP meeting?&#8221;</p>
<p>Mayor Mike:  &#8220;Anyone who doesn&#8217;t love Chef Boyardee is a non-parent activist who just wants to see a return to the Soviet Union.  Or one of my appointees looking to get replaced.&#8221;</p>
<p>David Cantor:  &#8220;Nothing you read here is true.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Goldstein</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-237841</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on, Mr. Talk, you know they bought that election fair and square.  It&#039;s the American way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on, Mr. Talk, you know they bought that election fair and square.  It&#8217;s the American way.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of ravioli, we should can Klein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of ravioli, we should can Klein.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonie Haimson</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/17/chef-boyardee-meets-pep/comment-page-1/#comment-237812</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonie Haimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incredible piece.  It says it all.</description>
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		<title>By: john elfrank-dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>john elfrank-dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I thought we had it bad at Bergtraum. You guys get the award for most austerity.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I thought we had it bad at Bergtraum. You guys get the award for most austerity.  </p>
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		<title>By: Kumbaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kumbaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW! Great article. I wonder if the Chancellor will ever eat those Raviolis.</description>
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