Comments on: Dept of Ed on the hunt for ELL and vocational high schools http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/10/dept-of-ed-on-the-hunt-for-ell-and-vocational-high-schools/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: insiderknowledge http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/10/dept-of-ed-on-the-hunt-for-ell-and-vocational-high-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-250072 insiderknowledge Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:33:25 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=27238#comment-250072 I would love to know if mr. Garcia graduated in 4 yrs or 5 and if he had friends that graduated in 5 yrs. Under the new criteria him taking 5 yrs to reasonably graduate because he had to master a new language would have caused the school to close. Also he said he recieved special classes for ELLs.. something small schools are ill equipped to do.. Looks like he is a shinning example of how the current administration continues to operate by flying in the face of reason. I would love to know if mr. Garcia graduated in 4 yrs or 5 and if he had friends that graduated in 5 yrs. Under the new criteria him taking 5 yrs to reasonably graduate because he had to master a new language would have caused the school to close. Also he said he recieved special classes for ELLs.. something small schools are ill equipped to do.. Looks like he is a shinning example of how the current administration continues to operate by flying in the face of reason.

]]> By: David Smith http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/10/dept-of-ed-on-the-hunt-for-ell-and-vocational-high-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-250046 David Smith Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:55:12 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=27238#comment-250046 All of the International Schools including the first created by Eric Nadelstern started out with "inexperienced" principals. By definition people were doing something else first and felt they had the ccombination of skill, determination and yes sometimes luck to start and sustain a school. The process potential leaders went through is rigorous and demands a well-thought out plan for the first year and after. Secondly, the immersion model that the International Schools use is only one response to the challenge of ELLs. It demands that students from various countries strive to learn the lingua franca, English. Another model is the transtional bilingual model. It assumes one language other than English is spoken. In this case, Spanish. Content classes in the beginning are taught in Spanish as students develop their English skills. The long term goal is for all classes to be taught in English by 12th grade. Both models are supported within the Bilingual community. All of the International Schools including the first created by Eric Nadelstern started out with “inexperienced” principals. By definition people were doing something else first and felt they had the ccombination of skill, determination and yes sometimes luck to start and sustain a school. The process potential leaders went through is rigorous and demands a well-thought out plan for the first year and after. Secondly, the immersion model that the International Schools use is only one response to the challenge of ELLs. It demands that students from various countries strive to learn the lingua franca, English. Another model is the transtional bilingual model. It assumes one language other than English is spoken. In this case, Spanish. Content classes in the beginning are taught in Spanish as students develop their English skills. The long term goal is for all classes to be taught in English by 12th grade. Both models are supported within the Bilingual community.

]]> By: I noticed that... http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/10/dept-of-ed-on-the-hunt-for-ell-and-vocational-high-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-233338 I noticed that... Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:11:44 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=27238#comment-233338 Peter, How can the mayor and Klein manipulate the stats of the public schools through undemocratic pressure? Hire young, inexperience administrators, who have only taught a few years or never taught at all, and they want to please the mayor and klein. I know a principal who taught ONLY two years making only $48,000 per year and became a principal making $130,000. Why would a principal with little experience in the classroom would want to give up that amount of moola for the sake of education? I understand that some inexperienced principal have good intentions, but the future of our students are at stake. Would you put an councilperson or assemblyperson to run the country? Would you put an intern to run a Sloan-Kettering? Would you just learned how to fly a small plane in charge of a large international airport? Where people's lives are at stake experienced people **must** be in charge. Why would it be any different for the lives of our youngsters? Bloomberg and Klein have never cared for the youngsters, but only about their political image. Peter,

How can the mayor and Klein manipulate the stats of the public schools through undemocratic pressure? Hire young, inexperience administrators, who have only taught a few years or never taught at all, and they want to please the mayor and klein. I know a principal who taught ONLY two years making only $48,000 per year and became a principal making $130,000. Why would a principal with little experience in the classroom would want to give up that amount of moola for the sake of education? I understand that some inexperienced principal have good intentions, but the future of our students are at stake. Would you put an councilperson or assemblyperson to run the country? Would you put an intern to run a Sloan-Kettering? Would you just learned how to fly a small plane in charge of a large international airport? Where people’s lives are at stake experienced people **must** be in charge. Why would it be any different for the lives of our youngsters? Bloomberg and Klein have never cared for the youngsters, but only about their political image.

]]> By: peter http://gothamschools.org/2009/11/10/dept-of-ed-on-the-hunt-for-ell-and-vocational-high-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-233241 peter Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:11:16 +0000 http://gothamschools.org/?p=27238#comment-233241 The International High School network, I believe now eight schools are public high schools that serve students who have been in the coutry four years or less, they are highly successful, and a national model for ELL instruction. A query: if we have a national model of excellence right here in NYC why are we asking totally inexperienced principals to design schools? We have very few small vocational high schools, the one that is highly successful is the HS of Computer Technology on the Evander Campus, why is it succeeding and other stumbling? Again. to place the future of youngsters in the hands of beginners, even well meaning beginners, is foolish. The International High School network, I believe now eight schools are public high schools that serve students who have been in the coutry four years or less, they are highly successful, and a national model for ELL instruction.

A query: if we have a national model of excellence right here in NYC why are we asking totally inexperienced principals to design schools?

We have very few small vocational high schools, the one that is highly successful is the HS of Computer Technology on the Evander Campus, why is it succeeding and other stumbling? Again. to place the future of youngsters in the hands of beginners, even well meaning beginners, is foolish.

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