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No improvement for New York state on national math exam

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Fourth grade students' performance in New York state.

Math scores for students in New York state have hardly budged in the last two years, challenging results from the state’s own exams that show significant score increases.

The National Assessment of Educational Progress, commonly known as NAEP, or the nation’s report card, is out today and New York’s results on the math exam have changed little from 2007.

Two years ago, 43 percent of the state’s fourth graders were proficient or higher in math, while this year, that number is 40 percent. In 2007, 31 percent of eighth graders scored at or above proficient, and in 2009 it was 34 percent.

While the NAEP scores, released this morning, show no significant changes, the state’s yearly math exams tell a different story. Between 2007 and 2009, fourth graders gained nine scale score points and eighth graders gained 18 points. According to the NAEP exam, fourth graders’ average scale scores decreased by two points and eight grade students’ scores rose by three points.

  • QueensParent

    Who cares about some stupid federal test that is given once every other year? Like I’ve said before, I trust the validity of the state exams, which are given yearly, over some fedeal assessment. I think the difference in the scores is likely the fact that the federal and state tests are normed to different proficiency/curriculum standards, and I like New York’s standards better. The LAST thing I think we need is the federal government telling us what curriculum or proficiency standards we need to have.

  • http://pissedoffteeacher.blogspot.com pissedoffteacher

    The answer will be to make the exams easier. No one cares about learning anymore. Statistics are all that matter.

  • John Hancock

    Pissedoffteacher,

    Do you have any statistics about not caring about learning? I agree, if it ain’t data it don’t matta!!

  • Born In Brooklyn

    The response from Joel Klein and Mike Bloomberg is completely predictable: they will seek to discredit NAEP, no matter what the experts say about it being the “gold standard” in educational assessment.

    Funny thing, of course, is that if NAEP showed improvement, well, the City would be proclaiming it as an example of their preeminence.

    Is their another way to go about this? Yes, perhaps the City could simply state that things may not have improved as much as the State tests indicate and that there is more work to be done.

  • Michael M.

    Yo, POT, Johnny H, and Bibster! And QP too.

    If you can’t spin it, you can’t win it. ; – )

  • http://www.readwellthinkwell.com Hal W. Lanse

    The Nation’s Report Card is the closest thing we have to transparency. It’s the most reliable data we have and the latest results are an embarrassment to Joel Klein and Michael Bloomberg. Klein is very big on data–HIS data. The NAEP results are, in my opinion, more significant than the State or the City’s numbers. The Mayor and Chancellor should stop playing the blame game with teachers and hang their own heads in shame. Their plan has failed.

  • QueensParent

    Michael M — don’t care too much about “spinning” this issue. This is a federal test that is given for a purpose that’s not regularly measuring student progress or making promotion decisions like state assessments. There’s absolutely no evidence to show that this test is more “transparent” than others. In fact, I have more issues with this once-in-a-blue-moon test over more regular state assessments.

  • QueensParent

    And Born in Brooklyn, to my knowledge the Mayor and Chancellor have not said anything publicly about the state NAEP results. How completely presumptuous and arrogant of you to assume what they will say. If anything, I think the Mayor has been saying he is not happy with student progress and that it should be better. There’s nothing the Mayor has said that could be construed in any way to mean we should be happy with the state of student performance in NYC. Moreover, these are State NAEP scores. The City results have not been released, and they could be better than NY State’s. Again, this all reminds me of the story of the man who saw Jesus walk on water and in reply said: “well, he can’t swim.” I’m sometimes astonished at the amount of negativity and profound low expectations people have of our public schools. It’s a wonder kids learn anything with these kinds of adults patrolling the halls.

  • Born In Brooklyn

    Hey Queens Parent. Wake up. Klein and Bloomberg have ALREADY trashed NAEP on MULTIPLE occasions. Not only that, they tried to twist NAEP results to appear that the city’s results were positive.

    And there’s nothing that they have said that can be construed to be that they are happy with student performance in NYC? Oh really.

    Perhaps you missed Klein crowing about the latest K-8 progress reports, as just one example. Have you missed the subway ads too?

  • Michael M.

    About them there “once in a blue moon tests.”

    A “blue moon” (two full moons in a calendar month) occurs roughly once every 2.7 years. NAEP is more frequent.

    We could also run the state tests more frequently than annually.

    But would that improve the education of our kids any more than taking their temperature hourly helps them get over the flu?

    And, per “Spinal Tap,” I want an amp that goes to 11.

    You like the state tests better? Fine. One of Kleinberg’s counties is stuck in last place, year after year after blue moon, btw. Please join me in holding them accountable. Captain? Got iceberg?

  • QueensParent

    Born in Brooklyn perhaps you missed the preface in the remarks that say things are improving but they are no where near where they need to be? The Mayor has never said he is happy with at 60% graduation rate for high schools. The problem is that if someone any talk of progress here seems to be overwhelming by classic New Yorker complaining. Schools are getting better. Talk about accentuating the NEGATIVE. There are masters of it here.

  • http://nycpublicschoolparents.blogspot.com Patrick J. Sullivan

    Previously, Chancellor Klein has said many things to deflect criticism of our poor performance on NAEP – they’re not statistically significant, they don’t measure what we teach, they’re really going up (when they’re not) etc. For all our kids’ sakes, I hope he responds like Commissioner Steiner and acknowledges that we have a big problem. I just can’t see Bloomberg ever coming around to admit that all his “reforms” are not producing the success he claims.

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  • Wendy H

    The NYS math standards are excellent. Students do not show an understanding of procedures (math sense) which the standards emphasize. They don’t know how to communicate their thinking in writing, another state standard. As a teacher I have seen the state exams get easier & easier each year. Questions that now appear on the 5th grade test were on the fourth grade test several years ago. The content gets more & more limited. This year we didn’t see any decimals or number lines and problem solving mainly concerned the four operations.

  • Truly A Public School Parent

    Queens parent- do you also work for the Mayor?

    I know a lot of parents and none of them carry water for Mike like you do in your posts.
    I also know a lot of BloomKlien Klienberg Klones and they all talk like you blog.

    Tell us more about yourself: where did you grow up, what kind of schools did you attend, what kind of school is your child in, ( public, private or charter; demographics; measures of success, etc.).
    I honestly would like to know how you came by your lens, outlook, opinions and knowlege.

  • Michael Fiorillo

    Truly A Public School Parent,

    Thank you for calling this person out on their shilling for the Mayor and Chancellor. This NYC public school alumnus, parent and teacher has had the same response to their posts.

    It’s incredible, isn’t it, how scripted and robotic their rhetoric is. Probably because it’s ultimate source is the talking points developed out of the focus groups their PR folks conduct.

    To steal a line from a famous literary feud of the previous century: everything they say is a lie, even the words “and” and “the.”

  • Also Born in Brooklyn

    Queens,
    How can you possibly support a mayor who has repeatedly claimed that “scores and graduation rates are up” in his re-election commercials, when unbiased, national data demonstrates that all that has occurred is we have watered down the tests and therefore graduation standards? Bloomberg continues to act as if he has the answer to the school system’s issues, and this just shows that his performance (God knows he claims to love performance-based rewards and punishments) has been sub-par, to put it in a nice way.
    This is why they invented term limits. Remember those?
    Or, even better, do we get to fire him because he has failed to perform? Can we send him to a mayoral rubber room?

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