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Thompson and Bloomberg spar over their education records in first mayoral debate

Nothing the candidates said during tonight’s mayoral debate was more surprising than the Rev. Billy Talen’s spirited heckling, but a few choice comments were made about the city’s schools and mayoral control.

Right out of the gate, Mayor Michael Bloomberg launched into a list of comparisons between the Department of Education during the last eight years and the Board of Education during the time that Comptroller Bill Thompson was president. He recited graduation statistics, said that schools are safer today than they were in the 1990s, and boasted about test scores increases.

Thompson said it was ironic that Bloomberg was holding him accountable for the city’s schools when the mayor has repeatedly said that no one had control over the Board of Education.

“He pointed out, under the old Board of Education, no one was in charge. The mayor, the board, the chancellor, so many people were in charge, no one was in charge, so it’s ironic that he would try and distort facts and information, try and change the past, to say that I was the person who was in charge of the Board of Education. Nothing could be further from the truth.”

“If he believes nobody was in charge, why didn’t he try to get control?” the mayor shot back.

The bottom line is he did help us get mayoral control … we got mayoral control as much because when he ran it [the Board of Education], the schools were terrible, and the public and the legislature said no más. We’re going to finally fix the system and that’s how mayoral control got enacted.

Asked by NY1′s Dominic Carter, who moderated the debate, whether his tenure could be compared to Bloomberg’s, Thompson offered his clearest explanation yet of his BOE days.

“I didn’t run the school system,” he said. When Carter repeated the question, Thompson appeared to change tactics, saying that he “led a reform effort” at the Board of Education.

“I helped to end decentralization, putting someone in charge for the first time in decades. I helped to move math scores up and increase reading scores. Did I do a good job? Is it a record that I am proud of? Yes. … The truth is if it wasn’t for the work that I did, mayoral control wouldn’t have happened.”

“You don’t get a medal for rearranging the deck chairs on the Titantic, and that’s exactly what he did,” Bloomberg responded.

The Daily News’ Adam Lisberg asked the mayor about teachers’ salaries. ” In your time in office, teachers salaries have gone up 43 percent, and total education operating expenditures at the DOE have gone up 55 percent. Do you really think most parents would agree that the schools are 43 percent or 55 percent better?”

Bloomberg answered:

“I don’t think that’s the measure because there’s inflation built in there, there’s the competitive factor, we have to pay our teachers what they can make elsewheres. After all, while they’re dedicated people and they want to help our children and they don’t go into public service to make a lot of money, they still have to pay the rent.”

At the precise moment that the debate ended, Bloomberg’s campaign sent out a press release declaring that the mayor had won.

  • http://www.andywolf.net Andy Wolf

    Only on the mayor’s press release did he win. The talking heads on New York 1 and I agree that Thompson was the clear winner. Considering how few voters saw the debate, I wonder whether it will have any significant impact on the race. Thompson’s view of events at the old Board of Ed is much closer to the truth. And the stats bear out that by many measures scores were rising BEFORE mayoral control at a faster clip than after.

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  • Tom from the Bx

    Adam Lisberg asked the exact right question. Getting rid of the Board of Ed and adding all of the CFE money to the schools should have produced results. Instead all we got is higher test scores on some of the tests that the teachers now spend the whole year prepping for — but no improvement in the scores that aren’t cooked. What Bloomberg is doing is deliberately sacrificing our kids’ education to create press releases and consulant contracts.

  • QueensParent

    Tom if teachers spend “the whole year” preparing for state tests, then they are bad teachers. A teacher of my child once assigned a practice test for homework in 3rd grade. I told my son that he would never waste homework time doing practice tests and wrote the teacher a note to that effect. No more practice tests were assigned as homework. Parents should not put up with such teachers. I know I wouldn’t. So please end the fallacy that this is happening systemwide, because it is not. I know that it sounds like a great political soundbite that poor helpless teachers have nothing to do but test prep, but this is not true in real life.

  • TJ

    My scorecard agrees with Andy Wolf’s — Thompson didn’t knock him out, but I think he clearly won the debate and as an added bonus made Bloomberg look very uncomfortable and snappish and Nixonian in the process (of course, that’s nothing new). 

    Unfortunately, it appears to me that Bloomberg’s mailbox/TV/radio blizzard has had a fatiguing, not energizing, effect on the electorate. People just want it all to be over with already, and that doesn’t bode well for the challenger.

  • Michael M.

    Thompson should have hit the fuming philanthropreneur hard over the “Titanic” quip. Is that the best that former McCain campaign operatives can pre-script, or is that Mayor Mike at his affable best?

    What, no more “Chamberlain” and “Soviet Union” references? Those were SO June 2009. Mayor Mike’s blood pressure came down after Mayoral Control passed. Just in time for golf lessons (and a Ruthian follow-through nevertheless, hands higher, hands higher).

    Sample retort:
    “Mike, Mike, Mike. It is the height of irony that you would suggest I was the Captain of the Titanic, at a time when there were still 32 relatively autonomous local boards of education.

    Wasn’t the core of your argument for Mayoral Control that there was NO prior centralized control? And that centralized control was vital to eliminate cronyism?

    As Captain for these last eight years, you have been declaring all icebergs in your path nothing more that cocktail ice, while repeatedly appealing the Campaign for Fiscal Equity rulings, ruling over ever-increasing school overcrowding, ruling through no-bid contracts and consultants, and most mutinous of all… over-ruling term limits.

    The good ship Democracy needs a Captain — not a Commandeer whose biggest accomplishment was… centralizing cronyism.

    The only course you and Chancellor Klein have seen fit to chart for our schools is a charter course. And that’s simply not good enough for, or available to, 1.1 million kids.

    “Keep It Going New York” is fine, but only if you believe your own DOE’s “Truth Squad” that you pay not to spot icebergs adn denigrate the lookouts. It’s a Titanic mistake.

    As opposed to your recent statements denigrating parent input on policy matters, I trust those parent-voters to make the necessary course correction on November 3rd. In less than a month, I invite the parents of those 1.1 million kids to hold you accountable, and throw you and your cadre of privateers off the (nautical) bridge.”

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  • Tom from the Bx

    QueensParent is right to criticize my use of hyperbole — I need to get out of that habit. So here’s a straightforward statement of what I know about test prep. First, teachers and the principal at my child’s school say they are under pressure to do more test prep, but that they are resisting it. Second, teacher friends from other schools say they under the same pressure, and not all can count on principals to resist. And third, Bloomberg has come back to the tests again and again as the focus of his reform efforts — the school grades, the effort to base pay on scores — while relentlessly touting score increases as the measure of his achievement. I don’t think it’s going out too far on a limb to think that the test-centered reforms are designed to create pressure to focus on test scores and thus create press-releasable results.

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