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Debunking Standards Issue #2: An Unrealistic Bar

Since last week, I have been raising objections to the idea that new standards — particularly new national standards — are worth the attention they get. It is ridiculous to think that they can be a meaningful lever of broad educational improvement. In fact, I do not think that they can have any significant impact at all.

Problem #2: An Unrealistic Bar

Even if we did not have the kinds of gaps that we see between schools, districts and even states, there is a common problem with where to set the bar. Standards are often set by content experts who have rarely worked with below average students in their field, and perhaps not even average students. They declare what they think students ought to know or be able to do by the time that they graduate from high school, for example. Imagine what college professors/instructors of mathematics would say that high school graduates should know. And historians. And scientists.

When these standards setting committees say, “To be proficient, a student should know…,” what do they actually mean by proficient? Are these bars set for the average student? For the honors student? For the student who truly excels in that subject and will major in it in college?

I don’t see a lot of pressure for these brilliant experts — and I am perfectly willing to concede that they are brilliant experts — to consider a bar any lower than what they think ought to be possible, what they would like to see happen. But they don’t do research or investigation to see how likely or practical their goals are, for whom they might be reasonable, or what it would require for schools to raise all of their students to that level of proficiency — presumably the goal, right?

This leads to aspirational goals and standards, rather than realistically achievable standards.

Previous: Problem #1 — Which Bar to Raise?
Next: Problem #3 – Fear of Failure Rates.

  • Jason Becker

    I’m curious to hear your response to studies which show that students who take AP courses, even when they earn 1s or 2s, are far more successful in college, having been exposed to a more challenging workload.

    If I had to guess, your response would take one of two forms:
    – Not all students should be or can be prepared for college, so we should focus on work that is difficult enough to prepare them for life, a standard far more difficult to pinpoint, resulting in this unrealistic bar.
    – Students can be discouraged from being challenged (although this would likely be said in a way that is less direct).

    While I think it is difficult to get all students to achieve at a high level, even unrealistic, I still don’t see why setting this kind of goal (since you’ve written before these standards are essentially goals) is more detrimental than setting the bar low.  The problem with a bar lower than what ought to be or what we would like to be possible is that this will invariably lead to both descrimination and determinism.  Affluent students will still attend better funded districts that better teachers will often flock to with increased pressure from parents and the community to send students to college and subsequently, far higher standards that students meet.  In the meantime, since the bar is too high for these “below-average” students and certain environments where kids aren’t realistically going to college, (aside, why isn’t that our fault?  Why isn’t that a fault of the school and is now a fault of the kid or the community?) and the schools are less well-funded, we’ll see a lower bar with no opportunity to achieve to a higher standard.  Even if the opportunity exists in “honors classes”, we’ll see all the problems that tracking creates.

    I don’t think kids leave school because it’s hard.  In fact, that’s one of the last reasons why most kids who are in failing schools are not graduating, in my experience.  A low bar fails to provide opportunities to our neediest students whereas a high bar mandates them.

    By the way, I want to thank you again for writing this series, Alex.  I was going to respond again in the other article but I think I’ll simply write a blog post of my own responding to the entire series once you’ve completed it so as to not hog the comments section or your time.

  • http://MoreThoughtful.blogspot.com Alexander Hoffman

    Mr. Becker,

    I thick that every students should be challenged to excel beyond their past levels of achievement and accomplishment, while being simultaneously supported in their work.

    But that doesn’t mean that all student should be simultaneously challenged to work at the same level, or that all students in a given grade should be challenged with the same goals at the same time.

    Vygotsky wrote of the “proximal zone of development.” The idea is that students can only learn the next thing, not the thing way down the road. That makes a lot of sense to me.

    So, if we are doing to meet our students where they are as we push them to be all they can be, shouldn’t we acknowledge the appropriate next thing or appropriate challenge for each particular child?

    This is not about tracking of college vs. career training. This is about recognizing individual students and meeting their needs.

  • Jason Becker

    Mr. Hoffman,

    It seems to me the argument, then, is not that standards set on unrealistic bar, but rather, that they set a universal bar. I think this gets at the deeper question of, “What is the purpose of the American school system?” Universal standards and expectations should conform to our desires for all children who are going to spend thirteen years in a public school system. These goals need not be the final point for all students, many may exceed these expectations. These goals need not take thirteen years for all, for some may find they can complete these expectations in ten years, others in fifteen. However, I do think that there exists an expectation, whether we choose to articulate it or not, which dictates the meaning of a high school diploma.

    If we can agree that there is, in fact, a universal base expectation for what a diploma means in this country, than we can start to debate if we have undersold America’s children. Those who want to raise the bar believes that is the case.

    I agree that Vygotsky makes a lot of sense. However, standards are about the end game, not the process. High expectations, and expectations in general, need not remove the ability for a system to adjust to individual needs and talents. The best teachers are differentiating instruction and expectations in their classroom every day. I would agree that we need to recognize the different needs of individual students. In my mind, one of the marks of a great teacher is someone who can set the bar high and then sets reasonable goals for each child which leads them to the finish line.

  • Michael M.

    It’s one thing to say, “All kids should wear shoes.”
    Quite another to say, “Size nine, across the board.”

  • Jason Becker

    Michael:

    While I think that’s a strong analogy, I disagree with what I believe is your implication. I think the way I would say this is more like:

    It’s one thing to say, “All kids should wear shoes.” It’s another thing when kids are expected to run fast for gym class and only some kids have parents who know to have them wear sneakers whereas many kids show up with flip-flops. If we expect kids to run well, we need to clearly communicate, “All kids should wear shoes that are comfortable for running.” The size, color, and even type may vary from student to student, but when we’re not upfront about the real expectations that exist we are doomed to fail our students. Worse than that, we are almost guaranteed to fail some groups to an even greater extent than others.

  • http://MoreThoughtful.blogspot.com ceolaf

    There comes a point at which the idea that each kid should proceed at his/her own best pace comes into contradiction with the idea that we should have the same goals for each student.

    I know of a second grade teacher who used to let her students differentiate themselves in math through the year. At the start of the year, the kids were in one big group, and through the year the class was split up and resplit up into many groups. Every kid was encouraged to learn as much as s/he could. At the end of the year, as best I could tell, each kids really learned as much math as s/he could. And that meant that that some of the kids learned “years” more than others. That, of course, goes somewhat against grade by grade standards.

    More importantly, it points out that different kids have different abilities and when allowed to proceed at their own optimal paces will learn differently and end up at different places.

    So, I have great problems with universal standards.

    But I also have a problem with unrealistic standards. Given universal standards — and that is a given, unfortunately — there is a question of where to set the bar to make it most useful for improving education in this country.

    High publicity standards efforts, like Common Core, seem to aimed at the high end. But I don’t think that they are realistic for most schools or most students. Why set standards that are not attainable in the near future by most students? Who is being helped? What does it mean to define what future math majors will need to be prepared to do when they get to college? That helps k12 education? How?

    I kinda feel like we have AP for that. That already tells us what the top students in particular subjects ought to be able to do. If standards are universal — and we know that they meant to be — being vague then AP is not the answer. Rather, they should be lower. Something that all students have a shot at, or at least 50% + 1.

    In my very cynical view, 50% +1 of the kids at good suburban schools with well educated parents and a quiet place to do their homework can meet these sorts of standards, if well taught. But what about other students? English language learners? Families without a history of college education, or even of high school graduation? What about kids who don’t have a place to study at home, or even time to do so? What about schools whose entire student bodies are full of those kids?

    Frankly, I don’t think that standards setting bodies think about those schools or those students. I am not saying that they willfully choose to ignore them, but that doesn’t mean that they are not ignoring them.

  • http://MoreThoughtful.blogspot.com Alexander Hoffman

    Michael & Jason,

    I’d like to torture your analogy a bit.

    Why does it have to be shoes? What’s wrong with sandals? Or flip flops? Or boots? Or the weird new foot coverings that have individual toes?

    If we are meeting each kid’s needs, why assume shoes?

    And if we have kids who show up to school unprepared to run, what are we going to do? Are we going to work on what they ARE prepared to do (e.g. balance? strength? hand-eye coordination)? Or are we going to insist that all kids have to work on running in this course, whether they are prepared for it or not?

    Furthermore, if we were to try to build on this analogy, the standards would say that all kids have to run fast enough by the time they graduate to make their high school track team, both in sprinting *and* in distance. Of course, they’d also need the ball skills to make their soccer team. And the other ball skills to make the basketball team. Etc. Etc. That’s the unrealistic bar. Get the elite professional athletes and college coaches together to create standards and that’s what you’ll get.

  • Jason Becker

    Alex,

    I’m glad that you’re pushing this analogy. I think it has been quite instructive in demonstrating that we differ on a few key underlying assumptions. So with hopes I don’t take us too far down the rabbit hole…

    I come to the table the assumption that there are shared goals that exist for all children. I’m not convinced these goals extend from K-12, and in fact, more often than not think that what I view as these shared goals really belong in the elementary and perhaps middle school level. To stick with our analogy, I think that we general understand that there are a variety of footwear and appropriate times to wear different footwear (in a purely form follows function way). Our schools need to let children know how to wear what shoes to accomplish particular goals. They also need to teach children how to complete these tasks that will be expected of them once they’re wearing their shoes. Now I don’t have anything against individualized instruction if we’re defining that by saying, “Johnny doesn’t know much about sneakers but he’s almost there with running and loves to run. Let’s finish the running part and tie the sneakers in later.” However, I don’t think it’s true to say that Susie doesn’t need to know how to run in sneakers.

    My great fear with those who prefer a completely decentralized approach is that Johnny will never learn about sneakers and Susie won’t be able to run at all, while Michael learned about both of those things at home. Now Michael is a successful runner, just as we expect from all of our children, but Susie and Johnny never even had the opportunity to learn to run. Serving individual needs and desires is all well and good, but I find it hard to reconcile with the recognition that so many of the issues that face the most challenged students are systemic rather than endemic– poverty, instability in the family, cultural differences in expectations for various schooling relationships, funding, physical space, housing segregation, etc. If we understand these conditions which create a huge barrier to learning outcomes as coming from outside of the child, how can we expect catering to the individual will overcome these differences rather than nurture them? Moving too far to the individualistic approach suffers due to its potential to reinforce determinism of systems-pressures.

    Similarly, too far into the standards direction and we will found ourselves squashing individualism, cultural identities, and special talents. However, as Alex has so eloquently noted in the past, standards are not tests and they are not curriculum. I’d extend this line by adding that curriculum is not teaching methods or learning processes. As creative as we need to be in the classroom and in our schools, we need to be articulate from a systems perspective on what we view the purpose of school. Standards are about purpose, they are about defining what a degree means (or what it means to be a middle schooler versus elementary school student), and they’re particularly important to students who don’t come to school from a rich, literate, learning environment.

  • http://MoreThoughtful.blogspot.com Alexander Hoffman

    Jason,

    To stick with the tortured analogy: the goal ought to be fitness, not running. Running is awfully narrow a skill or activity to worry about setting standards for.

    Which prompts me to mention two things. First, I’m a high school guy and the Common Core standards getting all this attention are graduation standards, not K8 standards. I’ve got very strong objections to grade-by-grade standards, too. But I acknowledge that I come from, primarily, a high school perspective.

    Second, we need to be clear that standards are bars, not rulers. They set a single level as a reference mark, without providing milestones or measures to determine paths along the way or information to determine how close or far students are from that single level. In other words, standards don’t deal with “almost there.”

    Next, I think that you are slipping between the issues of standardized/individualized and centralized/decentralized without really hitting on the real connections and differences. I’m actually a fairly big identity the goals and aims of education, nationally, regionally and locally. In fact, I’m a bit obsessed with it. But standards don’t actually attempt that conversation. Instead, we see them take for granted that ELA, Math & Social Studies as we have long understood them are the appropriate goals. I think that there is room for a centralized power in these discussion AND decentralized decision-making at the same time.

    Standards set particular targets for performance in particular topic/skills/areas, usually tied to specific times (e.g. high school completion). They are, intrinsically it seems, the extreme away from individualization. I agree with you that there are issues with total individualization, but the logic of standards as we have seen them does not leave room for a middle ground. Flexible standards that acknowledged differences between individuals and between communities wouldn’t be standards anymore. We’d need a new word for them.

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