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The Great Debate: Prepping 4-5 Year Olds for G&T Testing

Should we or shouldn’t we prep our 4-5 year olds for G&T testing? And if we did, would we admit it to other parents or our friends? Or would we keep our little G&T secret to ourselves?

I recently took a survey on my (non-GothamSchools) blog to find out the general sentiment toward test prepping a 4-5 year old for gifted and talented programs. Here are the results from the question: What type of tutoring and prep for NYC gifted and talented testing is appropriate for 4-5 year olds (pre-k to kindergarten)?

 47% — A solid combination of tutoring experts for NYC gifted and talented programs along with parents’ heavy involvement in the tutoring as well.

27% — Parents should be the only tutor or prep giver for the NYC gifted and talented testing at the ages of 4-5.

20% — Let the children play! There should be absolutely no test prep for a 4-5 year old for NYC gifted and talented testing.

7% — Only tutoring experts specializing in NYC gifted and talented testing who have a proven track record of success.

After reviewing the survey results from my blog I thought it would be interesting to hear from GothamSchools readers about test prepping 4-5 year olds for the NYC gifted and talented program. So, should we or shouldn’t we? Now be truthful!

  • http://edintheapple peter

    I used to serve on a District Leadership Team that debated qualfications for the Gifted Pre-K program … I suggested a letter from a grandparent attesting to the giftedness of the grandchild … or … for prospective parents the district establish a system to refer parent to gifted sperm or ova banks … one person smiled, the others began to debate my suggestion w/ vigor … the concept of gifted earlychildhood programs is all about race, class and parent ego. With the exception kids in the top 1% regular classroom teachers can and do differentiate instruction.

  • John

    We should not explicitly prep our children for the OLSAT. Life experience in the early years are sufficient. What the DOE should do, though, is fix up those darn neighborhood schools everybody tries to avoid so much. Once the zoned schools are are viable choice for every family we don’t have to have the prepping debate anymore. Leave the G&T schools o the children who are indeed G&T on their own. Then we can talk about what to make the admission process fair and meaningful.

  • Michael M.

    John,
    (In fairness, I am riffing off the “Rise & Shine” story 09/29 re Daily News and state-mandated Pre-K testing… )

    I can only add that when neighborhood schools ARE attractive, parents will forego opportunities for “district-wide” G&T (top 5%) if they LIKE their neighborhood school, especially when the 95th percentile G&T offering is in a school building not conveniently located.

    Next, as long as the stakes are high, or perceived to be high, test prep is unavoidable. But when I read that child development experts question the validity of such developmental screening tests at that age, it just makes my head spin.

    On the other hand, can we locals complain when we flag NYC DOE for ignoring state law repeatedly, but on this one, they play faithful non-jaywalker? Gripes here should go to Albany.

    Last, should we discuss G&T screening and whether that should be optional separate from development delay screening suddenly NON-optional?

  • Ellen

    When my son was first tested when he was 4 years old (we’re talking 14 years ago), I was determined not to put any pressure on him and did no preparation at all. When the test taker came to take him away, he burst into tears and would not perform at all.

    Luckily for us, at that time we had an option to get a private IQ test. This time I knew enough to explain what was going to happen (and sank so low as to give him a minor bribe of a new video). He scored quite high and was subsequently tested for an even more specialized program. Long story short, he (and his sister who also failed the first test) both excelled in the gifted program and every other school they’ve been in–now including top colleges.

    The moral of the story? Not to prep kids for testing, but–a pox on testing 4- and 5-year olds!!!! It’s stupid and it doesn’t prove anything. And, it discriminates against kids who have never been in a preschool and whose families can’t prep them.

    Ellen

  • Michael M.

    After due consideration, I support in vitro testing.

    One kick, TPS (traditional public school). Two kicks, TPS (traditional public school).

  • Mary

    I think it’s okay to test kids at 4 and 5, though I don’t think parents should prep. I think it’s odd when people look down on those FREE tests available to the public and tout the private IQ tests, however.

  • Ellen

    Mary, I wasn’t touting a private test over the free one, I was using that experience to point out that tests for 4- and 5-year-olds don’t reflect their true abilities. And it’s especially the case when the tests are given in a busy atmosphere like a public school where the testing personnel are not necessarily skilled in testing and may not have the time to accommodate the needs of very young children.

  • Mary

    Ellen, I’m sure that’s the case with ALL tests, including private IQ tests. (As you said, you learned from your children taking the OLSAT and bribed with a video, which made them less nervous for the private IQ test.)It’s also not limited to just preschoolers who have a bad test day. I’m sure there are athletes who are great athletes but didn’t make the team/position because they had a bad day. It’s still not a good argument against testing kids at 4 and 5. Perhaps the g/t tests don’t reflect every child’s true ability, but that doesn’t mean those that did do well aren’t ready for the accelerated pace. I’m not getting hung up on the label gifted but on a challenging curriculum that some kids need.

  • Ellen

    And what if many kids who need the challenging curriculum were excluded by the testing? It’s okay, as long as your kid is in the group that did do well? Why not give all kids a challenging curriculum and wait to test them until they’ve had a few years of schooling under their belts and know what a test is.

  • Mary

    Ellen, so kids who do well on the test shouldn’t be challenged? What is the debate here exactly? And, of course, I’m happy she did well on the test and is having her needs met. I have another child who will be entering pre-k next year, and I’m thinking he probably won’t be ready for such testing. I don’t think the G/T curriculum is nirvana for all kids and the only way they can be challenged in school. Then again, I’m not a veteran parent of the school system. My daughter is in 1st grade, and my son is three, so maybe I’ve been lucky so far with my experiences thus far.

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