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	<title>Comments on: Remainders: Still waiting for stimulus funds to come</title>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/09/08/remainders-still-waiting-for-stimulus-funds-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-191536</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IO,
You seem to have a habit of twisting around what others write.  And Pogue and I are the cynics?  Puleeze.

If demanding accountability -- based on honest data -- makes me a cynic, then make me a proud one.  This town is loaded with editorial boards who have been back-slapping the Kleinberg regime, soaking up the spin from Tweed and City Hall without much attempt to fact-check, and worse: ignoring parents&#039; voices, parents who believe school SHOULD be about serving children&#039;s needs -- not politicians&#039; needs.

Why is it when the adult/child dichotomy is pushed, the only &quot;adults&quot; in the cross-hairs are the teachers?  (This goes double for Chancellor Klein, who wrote an essay for Huffington Post a few months back essentially accusing teachers of being the obstacles to the civil rights of students.)

Last, the phony litmus test of teacher enthusiasm -- as measured by their willingness to tolerate unpaid work on that scale -- is the height of cynicism.  I too am a product of enthusiastic public school teachers.  But I didn&#039;t begrudge them fair wages.  (Prior GS articles have covered the subjects of unionization and/or long hours in some charters and the all-too-predictable impact on teacher turnover.)

Last, I would encourage all commenters to refocus on policy and less on the personal sniping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IO,<br />
You seem to have a habit of twisting around what others write.  And Pogue and I are the cynics?  Puleeze.</p>
<p>If demanding accountability &#8212; based on honest data &#8212; makes me a cynic, then make me a proud one.  This town is loaded with editorial boards who have been back-slapping the Kleinberg regime, soaking up the spin from Tweed and City Hall without much attempt to fact-check, and worse: ignoring parents&#8217; voices, parents who believe school SHOULD be about serving children&#8217;s needs &#8212; not politicians&#8217; needs.</p>
<p>Why is it when the adult/child dichotomy is pushed, the only &#8220;adults&#8221; in the cross-hairs are the teachers?  (This goes double for Chancellor Klein, who wrote an essay for Huffington Post a few months back essentially accusing teachers of being the obstacles to the civil rights of students.)</p>
<p>Last, the phony litmus test of teacher enthusiasm &#8212; as measured by their willingness to tolerate unpaid work on that scale &#8212; is the height of cynicism.  I too am a product of enthusiastic public school teachers.  But I didn&#8217;t begrudge them fair wages.  (Prior GS articles have covered the subjects of unionization and/or long hours in some charters and the all-too-predictable impact on teacher turnover.)</p>
<p>Last, I would encourage all commenters to refocus on policy and less on the personal sniping.</p>
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		<title>By: QueensParent</title>
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		<dc:creator>QueensParent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IO, the difference is there are educators out there who believe that school is about children&#039;s needs, and there are those who believe school is about serving adults needs. I think you know which group Pogue is in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IO, the difference is there are educators out there who believe that school is about children&#8217;s needs, and there are those who believe school is about serving adults needs. I think you know which group Pogue is in.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  What a cynical group.  I feel fortunate that I was taught by committed, passionate educators in a public school instead of the clock-punching, joyless deadbeats that Michael M. and Pogue believe are predominant.  By the way Michael, why do you say &quot;...for 8 hours of pay&quot;?  Clearly, you have the mentality of a clock-punching factory worker.  FYI:  Professionals work as long and as hard as required to get the job done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  What a cynical group.  I feel fortunate that I was taught by committed, passionate educators in a public school instead of the clock-punching, joyless deadbeats that Michael M. and Pogue believe are predominant.  By the way Michael, why do you say &#8220;&#8230;for 8 hours of pay&#8221;?  Clearly, you have the mentality of a clock-punching factory worker.  FYI:  Professionals work as long and as hard as required to get the job done.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>12 hours of work for 8 hours of pay?
Clear the aisles so teachers can do &quot;calling cartwheels.&quot;

Per IO, if teachers had passion, they would work pro bono, and Con Ed would leave their lights on in support.  Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12 hours of work for 8 hours of pay?<br />
Clear the aisles so teachers can do &#8220;calling cartwheels.&#8221;</p>
<p>Per IO, if teachers had passion, they would work pro bono, and Con Ed would leave their lights on in support.  Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that Pogue believes that a group of people who love and are committed to their jobs (in this case, their calling) could not be enthusiastic about working 12-hour days.  Sounds like you need to find a passion Pogue.  Good luck to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that Pogue believes that a group of people who love and are committed to their jobs (in this case, their calling) could not be enthusiastic about working 12-hour days.  Sounds like you need to find a passion Pogue.  Good luck to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Pogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to the 27 year old principal article...I don&#039;t know what a &quot;platinum teacher&quot; is, but I&#039;m not sure any worker, no matter the job, can sound that enthusiastic about 12 hour work days.  Sooner or later they&#039;re going to have re-name that Brooklyn school, The Burnout Academy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to the 27 year old principal article&#8230;I don&#8217;t know what a &#8220;platinum teacher&#8221; is, but I&#8217;m not sure any worker, no matter the job, can sound that enthusiastic about 12 hour work days.  Sooner or later they&#8217;re going to have re-name that Brooklyn school, The Burnout Academy.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Item 5, the Aussies...
Congrats to Skoolboy, Leonie Haimson, and Daniel Koretz (author of my &quot;pet book&quot; for the summer)... for getting props down under.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Item 5, the Aussies&#8230;<br />
Congrats to Skoolboy, Leonie Haimson, and Daniel Koretz (author of my &#8220;pet book&#8221; for the summer)&#8230; for getting props down under.</p>
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