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	<title>Comments on: Progress reports could prove a double-edged sword for Klein</title>
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		<title>By: pressure pump</title>
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		<dc:creator>pressure pump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 10:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a new blogger, I would like to tell you that you have given me much knowledge about it. Thanks for everything.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a new blogger, I would like to tell you that you have given me much knowledge about it. Thanks for everything.<br />
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, FTT.

Re School Progress Reports, either they&#039;ll have to: 
a) dial back on the weight of the &quot;progress&quot; metric to provide more weight to the &quot;performance&quot; metric, 
b) gerrymander the curve&#039;s cut points further, or 
c) brace for many good schools getting mediocre scores.

It&#039;s simply not reasonable to expect more than a year&#039;s worth of progress at already-good schools year in and year out.  Especially when the proficiency-oriented tests are easily maxed out.  (Average plus one lucky guess gets you a Level 2, but perfect minus one boo-boo drops you out of Level 4, etc.)

The average lifetime speed of a Porsche and a Yugo may be different, but the average lifetime acceleration is the same.
I&#039;m preparing for regression to the mean, or, a meaningless mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, FTT.</p>
<p>Re School Progress Reports, either they&#8217;ll have to:<br />
a) dial back on the weight of the &#8220;progress&#8221; metric to provide more weight to the &#8220;performance&#8221; metric,<br />
b) gerrymander the curve&#8217;s cut points further, or<br />
c) brace for many good schools getting mediocre scores.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s simply not reasonable to expect more than a year&#8217;s worth of progress at already-good schools year in and year out.  Especially when the proficiency-oriented tests are easily maxed out.  (Average plus one lucky guess gets you a Level 2, but perfect minus one boo-boo drops you out of Level 4, etc.)</p>
<p>The average lifetime speed of a Porsche and a Yugo may be different, but the average lifetime acceleration is the same.<br />
I&#8217;m preparing for regression to the mean, or, a meaningless mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Fort Tryon Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fort Tryon Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a quote from Steven Brill&#039;s (wildly biased) New Yorker article on teacher evaluation:
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In seven years, Klein has increased the percentage of third-year teachers not given tenure from three to six per cent. Unsatisfactory ratings for tenured teachers have risen from less than one per cent to 1.8 per cent. “Any human-resources professional will tell you that rating only 1.8 per cent of any workforce unsatisfactory is ridiculous,” [Dan] Weisberg [of the New Teacher Project] says. “If you look at the upper quartile and the lower quartile, you know that those people are not interchangeable.”
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Time to turn that criticism on its head: Joel Klein&#039;s progress reports are already tending toward the &quot;ridiculous.&quot;  I can&#039;t believe that 80 percent of schools in New York City deserve an A or B.  Schools are graded on a curve, and Klein and his ever-growing &quot;accountability&quot; office decide what that curve is.  Guess what: the same way that union pressure (and a screwed-up system) is bloating teacher ratings, political pressure from the mayor and others are bloating progress report grades.

I&#039;m probably generalizing a bit unfairly there, but I think the gist is true.  And the DOE&#039;s inability to create a decent school evaluation system leaves me skeptical of their ability to create a decent teacher evaluation system.  I support the Gates Foundation move, but teachers and our union have got to be diligent in creating a system that works.  Otherwise, we&#039;ll get whatever &quot;ridiculous,&quot; politically-motivated system the DOE is pumping out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a quote from Steven Brill&#8217;s (wildly biased) New Yorker article on teacher evaluation:<br />
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In seven years, Klein has increased the percentage of third-year teachers not given tenure from three to six per cent. Unsatisfactory ratings for tenured teachers have risen from less than one per cent to 1.8 per cent. “Any human-resources professional will tell you that rating only 1.8 per cent of any workforce unsatisfactory is ridiculous,” [Dan] Weisberg [of the New Teacher Project] says. “If you look at the upper quartile and the lower quartile, you know that those people are not interchangeable.”<br />
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<p>Time to turn that criticism on its head: Joel Klein&#8217;s progress reports are already tending toward the &#8220;ridiculous.&#8221;  I can&#8217;t believe that 80 percent of schools in New York City deserve an A or B.  Schools are graded on a curve, and Klein and his ever-growing &#8220;accountability&#8221; office decide what that curve is.  Guess what: the same way that union pressure (and a screwed-up system) is bloating teacher ratings, political pressure from the mayor and others are bloating progress report grades.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably generalizing a bit unfairly there, but I think the gist is true.  And the DOE&#8217;s inability to create a decent school evaluation system leaves me skeptical of their ability to create a decent teacher evaluation system.  I support the Gates Foundation move, but teachers and our union have got to be diligent in creating a system that works.  Otherwise, we&#8217;ll get whatever &#8220;ridiculous,&#8221; politically-motivated system the DOE is pumping out.</p>
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