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	<title>Comments on: Howard Wolfson on city test scores: &#8220;The numbers don&#8217;t lie&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: victoria fagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>victoria fagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is the comprehensive plan to address children with aspergders in this school system under mayor bloomberg</description>
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		<title>By: Serena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J. Israel asks the right question.    As a teacher in a supposedly good school, I can tell you that it is a fraud.   Our students take a practice test in May, and if they don&#039;t pass,t hey are not allowed to take the Regents or RCT.    This sometimes means 1/3 to 1/2 or more of the students who should be taking the exam aren&#039;t.    





More importantly, with enough prep, students can guess or remember enough to pick the right answer on multiple choice questions on some exams, which dont change that much.  But they don&#039;t really understand what they mean or the backbround or context.  If they were studying and working as diligently as they should, they wouldnt have a problem passing most exams--some have been dumbed down in recent years.    

60% of our kids who go to college flunk or drop out in the lst year or term--they can not handle the reading and writing and self-discipilne requirements.    Prince doesn&#039;t really discipline, just says teachers aren&#039;t teaching the proper way if kids act up--which means that for 1o or 12 years or more no one knew how to teach?  It&#039;s a fraud.    Teachers get fired if too many kids fail--it&#039;s all about looking good in the mumbers.  Stop the principal&#039;s academy which lets people who have never taught be principals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Israel asks the right question.    As a teacher in a supposedly good school, I can tell you that it is a fraud.   Our students take a practice test in May, and if they don&#8217;t pass,t hey are not allowed to take the Regents or RCT.    This sometimes means 1/3 to 1/2 or more of the students who should be taking the exam aren&#8217;t.    </p>
<p>More importantly, with enough prep, students can guess or remember enough to pick the right answer on multiple choice questions on some exams, which dont change that much.  But they don&#8217;t really understand what they mean or the backbround or context.  If they were studying and working as diligently as they should, they wouldnt have a problem passing most exams&#8211;some have been dumbed down in recent years.    </p>
<p>60% of our kids who go to college flunk or drop out in the lst year or term&#8211;they can not handle the reading and writing and self-discipilne requirements.    Prince doesn&#8217;t really discipline, just says teachers aren&#8217;t teaching the proper way if kids act up&#8211;which means that for 1o or 12 years or more no one knew how to teach?  It&#8217;s a fraud.    Teachers get fired if too many kids fail&#8211;it&#8217;s all about looking good in the mumbers.  Stop the principal&#8217;s academy which lets people who have never taught be principals.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is, the numbers are what they are,” Wolfson said. This sounds like something Karl Rove would say. What a surprise since Mr. Wolfson works or worked for FOX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is, the numbers are what they are,” Wolfson said. This sounds like something Karl Rove would say. What a surprise since Mr. Wolfson works or worked for FOX.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Israel</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/08/05/howard-wolfson-on-city-test-scores-the-numbers-dont-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-165786</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If standardized test scores are up exponentially all over the state, then how can anyone point to NYC gains as anything special with a straight face?  If  the former Democrat now “gun for hire” Mr. Wolfson and his beloved Republican mayor are so confident in their numbers then why not have the Regents exams graded independently, not at the by the schools where they are administered?  In mini-schools (small high schools) the very teachers who teach American History for example, then grade their own students’ Regents essays. Teachers who are under pressure to produce high passing rates and operate under the fear that if their numbers aren’t high their school might be closed. Forget the fact the principals are paid bonus based upon these numbers. What happens is that the kids pass, the school’s numbers improve and the students are not ready for college or life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If standardized test scores are up exponentially all over the state, then how can anyone point to NYC gains as anything special with a straight face?  If  the former Democrat now “gun for hire” Mr. Wolfson and his beloved Republican mayor are so confident in their numbers then why not have the Regents exams graded independently, not at the by the schools where they are administered?  In mini-schools (small high schools) the very teachers who teach American History for example, then grade their own students’ Regents essays. Teachers who are under pressure to produce high passing rates and operate under the fear that if their numbers aren’t high their school might be closed. Forget the fact the principals are paid bonus based upon these numbers. What happens is that the kids pass, the school’s numbers improve and the students are not ready for college or life.</p>
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		<title>By: Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More importantly, Howard Wolfson doesn&#039;t lie.  His integrity is unimpeachable.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
		<link>http://gothamschools.org/2009/08/05/howard-wolfson-on-city-test-scores-the-numbers-dont-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-165197</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here’s some more numbers that don’t lie:

Per Quinnipiac via NBCNewYork…
July 28, Bloomberg leads Thompson 47-37, a gap of 10%.
Last month? Bloomberg led Thompson 54-32, a gap of 22%.

(Margin of error is +/- 2.7 percentage points.)

Note that with a 10% gap, only 5% have to change their minds…

Also,
“Voters are also getting fed up with the mayor’s campaign spending, which may help explain the shift. Sixty-one percent of voters agree Bloomberg’s spending is overkill – up from 56 percent last month, the poll found.”

Bloomberg’s a take-no-prisoners kind of guy. He’s shooting for a full 100%.

P.S. Did Carter quiz Wolfson re Bloomberg’s SlushFundGate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s some more numbers that don’t lie:</p>
<p>Per Quinnipiac via NBCNewYork…<br />
July 28, Bloomberg leads Thompson 47-37, a gap of 10%.<br />
Last month? Bloomberg led Thompson 54-32, a gap of 22%.</p>
<p>(Margin of error is +/- 2.7 percentage points.)</p>
<p>Note that with a 10% gap, only 5% have to change their minds…</p>
<p>Also,<br />
“Voters are also getting fed up with the mayor’s campaign spending, which may help explain the shift. Sixty-one percent of voters agree Bloomberg’s spending is overkill – up from 56 percent last month, the poll found.”</p>
<p>Bloomberg’s a take-no-prisoners kind of guy. He’s shooting for a full 100%.</p>
<p>P.S. Did Carter quiz Wolfson re Bloomberg’s SlushFundGate?</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, this is just what Edison Schools used to do -- deja vu for us Edison followers! 

&quot;Village Voice reporter Wayne Barrett reported that the firm the Department of Education hired to audit their graduation data only validated the department’s numbers and didn’t investigate the information behind the transcripts.&quot;

To explain: Back in its heyday, Edison Schools hired the RAND research firm to analyze its results. During the several years RAND was doing the research, Edison also had RAND do just just that kind of &quot;audit&quot; on the bogus and falsified achievement reports Edison released every year -- verify the hard numbers, but not the information behind the numbers.

Then Edison would routinely claim that RAND had verified the reports. For that matter, Edison and its supporters generally claimed RAND had verified every OTHER lie Edison told during that time too -- quite a goodly number. RAND patiently issued denials whenever it was asked.

Of course, the Bloomberg administration does include some of the same con artists who were involved in the Edison scam, so it should be no surprise that they&#039;re engaging in the same shenanigans. The lies only prop them up for so long, though, as Edison learned.

The ultimate RAND report, by the way, was the old &quot;mixed results&quot; finding. Reportedly, it took several years past the initial target date to issue the report partly because of tough negotiations with Edison, which funded the report, over the language. 

(
Edison is trying to make a comeback, though -- I&#039;m proposing that its corporate motto be &quot;Fool Me Twice, Shame on Me&quot; and have blogged about it here:

http://www.examiner.com/x-356-SF-Education-Examiner~y2009m7d31-Edison-Schools-Its-baaaaack-and-bringing-with-it-innovations-like-child-labor
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, this is just what Edison Schools used to do &#8212; deja vu for us Edison followers! </p>
<p>&#8220;Village Voice reporter Wayne Barrett reported that the firm the Department of Education hired to audit their graduation data only validated the department’s numbers and didn’t investigate the information behind the transcripts.&#8221;</p>
<p>To explain: Back in its heyday, Edison Schools hired the RAND research firm to analyze its results. During the several years RAND was doing the research, Edison also had RAND do just just that kind of &#8220;audit&#8221; on the bogus and falsified achievement reports Edison released every year &#8212; verify the hard numbers, but not the information behind the numbers.</p>
<p>Then Edison would routinely claim that RAND had verified the reports. For that matter, Edison and its supporters generally claimed RAND had verified every OTHER lie Edison told during that time too &#8212; quite a goodly number. RAND patiently issued denials whenever it was asked.</p>
<p>Of course, the Bloomberg administration does include some of the same con artists who were involved in the Edison scam, so it should be no surprise that they&#8217;re engaging in the same shenanigans. The lies only prop them up for so long, though, as Edison learned.</p>
<p>The ultimate RAND report, by the way, was the old &#8220;mixed results&#8221; finding. Reportedly, it took several years past the initial target date to issue the report partly because of tough negotiations with Edison, which funded the report, over the language. </p>
<p>(<br />
Edison is trying to make a comeback, though &#8212; I&#8217;m proposing that its corporate motto be &#8220;Fool Me Twice, Shame on Me&#8221; and have blogged about it here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-356-SF-Education-Examiner~y2009m7d31-Edison-Schools-Its-baaaaack-and-bringing-with-it-innovations-like-child-labor" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/x-356-SF-Education-Examiner~y2009m7d31-Edison-Schools-Its-baaaaack-and-bringing-with-it-innovations-like-child-labor</a><br />
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some more numbers that don&#039;t lie:

Per Quinnipiac via NBCNewYork...
July 28, Bloomberg leads Thompson 47-37, a gap of 10%.
Last month?  Bloomberg led Thompson 54-32, a gap of 22%.

(Margin of error is +/- 2.7 percentage points.)

Note that with a 10% gap, only 5% have to change their minds...

Also,
&quot;Voters are also getting fed up with the mayor&#039;s campaign spending, which may help explain the shift. Sixty-one percent of voters agree Bloomberg&#039;s spending is overkill – up from 56 percent last month, the poll found.&quot;
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Thompson-Cuts-Bloombergs-Lead-in-Half-Poll-.html

Bloomberg&#039;s a take-no-prisoners kind of guy.  He&#039;s shooting for a full 100%.

P.S.  Did Carter quiz Wolfson re Bloomberg&#039;s SlushFundGate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some more numbers that don&#8217;t lie:</p>
<p>Per Quinnipiac via NBCNewYork&#8230;<br />
July 28, Bloomberg leads Thompson 47-37, a gap of 10%.<br />
Last month?  Bloomberg led Thompson 54-32, a gap of 22%.</p>
<p>(Margin of error is +/- 2.7 percentage points.)</p>
<p>Note that with a 10% gap, only 5% have to change their minds&#8230;</p>
<p>Also,<br />
&#8220;Voters are also getting fed up with the mayor&#8217;s campaign spending, which may help explain the shift. Sixty-one percent of voters agree Bloomberg&#8217;s spending is overkill – up from 56 percent last month, the poll found.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Thompson-Cuts-Bloombergs-Lead-in-Half-Poll-.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Thompson-Cuts-Bloombergs-Lead-in-Half-Poll-.html</a></p>
<p>Bloomberg&#8217;s a take-no-prisoners kind of guy.  He&#8217;s shooting for a full 100%.</p>
<p>P.S.  Did Carter quiz Wolfson re Bloomberg&#8217;s SlushFundGate?</p>
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		<title>By: Pogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I wish Wolfson would look at actual attendance and lateness numbers throughout NYC high schools.  He&#039;ll find that &quot;numbers don&#039;t lie&quot;, it&#039;s just what numbers you choose to ignore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I wish Wolfson would look at actual attendance and lateness numbers throughout NYC high schools.  He&#8217;ll find that &#8220;numbers don&#8217;t lie&#8221;, it&#8217;s just what numbers you choose to ignore.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re &quot;“If we can’t talk about the data, then why are we even having a conversation?” he said.&quot;

Indeed, many of us WOULD like to talk about the data.  As in whether the data are (HT to skoolboy) MEANINGFUL !!!

Unspun:
&quot;If we can&#039;t ACCEPT THE DATA AT FACE VALUE, I&#039;m going to collect my marbles and go home.&quot;
There, fixed it.

Wolfson is paid to crow about the sunrise, so his boss can take credit for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re &#8220;“If we can’t talk about the data, then why are we even having a conversation?” he said.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, many of us WOULD like to talk about the data.  As in whether the data are (HT to skoolboy) MEANINGFUL !!!</p>
<p>Unspun:<br />
&#8220;If we can&#8217;t ACCEPT THE DATA AT FACE VALUE, I&#8217;m going to collect my marbles and go home.&#8221;<br />
There, fixed it.</p>
<p>Wolfson is paid to crow about the sunrise, so his boss can take credit for it.</p>
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